Are lootboxes gambling & should games be regulated. BF2 and OW under investigation

[GennGreymane]

no no. This is your claim that lootboxes give off a different feeling. burden of proof is on you.


And where have I stated "what if"?

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wtf are you on about atm genn? You tell me it gave me a point now you say I don't have a point? Seriously what are you smoking cause I would love some.






It was a reply to his statement that lootboxes give off a good feeling. Newsflash. doing something you enjoy gives you a good feeling.

Is that all you have now? You think I am high? Come on now, then again.... you saying I am high as a better improvement for your argument style than trying to force an argument down my throat that I was not making for a few pages, due to a lack of creativity of your own argument.

About buying the NES games.... is buying NES games gambling? Is me buying milk gambling too? Im asking you because you are making this comparison.

[Dhrizzle]

Dunno if anyone actually read the Reddit post but there are some key points that seem to have been missed in this thread.

The guy who posted it isn't trying to blame any particular company or even the existence of micro-transactions. They simply want to educate people about the dangers of them for those who are particularly susceptible, like many alcoholics don't necessarily blame drinks companies.

His main problem started out with regular microtransactions in p2w mobile games which (as far as I can tell) didn't involve gambling, just lots and lots of shitty microtransactions to be competitive with the higher end players. The gambling problem came later with CS:GO, a game with systems much closer to real gambling by a lot of definitions but which caused much less of a stink.

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no no. This is your claim that lootboxes give off a different feeling. burden of proof is on you.


And where have I stated "what if"?

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wtf are you on about atm genn? You tell me it gave me a point now you say I don't have a point? Seriously what are you smoking cause I would love some.






It was a reply to his statement that lootboxes give off a good feeling. Newsflash. doing something you enjoy gives you a good feeling.

It's actually pretty well established that uncertainty in winning a prize increases the enjoyment of the activity, that's why games like WoW have bosses drop randomised items instead of letting you choose or having one particular thing.

[GennGreymane]

Dunno if anyone actually read the Reddit post but there are some key points that seem to have been missed in this thread.

The guy who posted it isn't trying to blame any particular company or even the existence of micro-transactions. They simply want to educate people about the dangers of them for those who are particularly susceptible, like many alcoholics don't necessarily blame drinks companies.

His main problem started out with regular microtransactions in p2w mobile games which (as far as I can tell) didn't involve gambling, just lots and lots of shitty microtransactions to be competitive with the higher end players. The gambling problem came later with CS:GO, a game with systems much closer to real gambling by a lot of definitions but which caused much less of a stink.

Have those been missed?

[Orange Joe]

It gives you a point.

Which I can tell you ignore, which is odd... why ignore your own point. You keep repeating "shitty parents" in this context despite the article describing the mom and grandparents trying to cut his access to the internet.

BTW To answer the questions for you, its in light blue text next to the large "get" button on the apple store for mobile games. You keep saying what good vs bad parents will do. Other than having a real argument, you would rather just debase people for no real reason while ignoring the actual basis you got the wording from. No such label is on the box for Overwatch btw.

Is that all you have now? You think I am high? Come on now, then again.... you saying I am high as a better improvement for your argument style than trying to force an argument down my throat that I was not making for a few pages, due to a lack of creativity of your own argument.

About buying the NES games.... is buying NES games gambling? Is me buying milk gambling too? Im asking you because you are making this comparison.

I am trying to sak you to explain the above quote because I don't understand what you are saying. It might as well be in German to me.

[GennGreymane]

I am trying to sak you to explain the above quote because I don't understand what you are saying. It might as well be in German to me.

Explain the above? Its pretty well explained. Do you not understand your basis behind the "shitty parents" argument you have been making?

[Orange Joe]

Lets go back through this shall we?

How can a teenager go to a casino?

You have to be 21 to go to a casino. You can't compare this to a casino if you can't admit lootbox's is gambling.

Sorry you don't get your cake and eat it to.

Are you not reading my replies? God forbid the parent has to use google.

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It's 18 here. And it doesn't have to be a casino. Would you guys still be upset if he had bought 13,000 worth of old nes games?

This is a question. Not a statment.

Seeing how 13,000 worth of old NES games doesn't give off the same feeling as gambling then no.

With those 13,000 worth of NES games you know what you are getting and you are getting something.

Nice try tho I give you a A for effort.

your claim that is isn't the same feeling.

That is a what if question. Doesn't have to have what if in it to be a what if question.

No I never claimed lootbox's gave off a different feeling. You claimed that they was the same thing with your shitty what if question. There is expert's who have openly stated lootbox's provide the same feeling as gambling. The basic's of lootbox's is also the same. There is even country's who have ruled as such. One country being china and that is why Overwatch and other games over there must show % chance of winning X item.

It is now on YOU to prove that..

1) Buying $13,000 of NES games gives the same feeling as spending $13,000 on lootbox's.
2) Lootbox's doesn't give the same feeling as gambling and isn't gambling.

Go for it.

There was no what if question. It was a simple question. And burden of proof is still on you....

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Explain the above? Its pretty well explained. Do you not understand your basis behind the "shitty parents" argument you have been making?

Well I guess I'm a fucking idiot then, because while I understand my point I don't understand your reply.

[GennGreymane]

Lets go back through this shall we?






This is a question. Not a statment.



your claim that is isn't the same feeling.



There was no what if question. It was a simple question. And burden of proof is still on you....

Would you guys still be upset if he had bought 13,000 worth of old nes games?

Its a what if scenario..... what is wrong with ya man?

[Orange Joe]

Its a what if scenario..... what is wrong with ya man?

So nothing can ever be compared because it's a what if scenario?

[Lotus Victoria]

One of the worst parts of Lootboxes IMO is getting duplicates. It's so fucking annoying working towards one (I'll never buy them with IRL money), just to open one and get a duplicate. Sometimes you open 3-4 and keep getting duplicates, one after another.

Seriously, FUCK LOOT BOXES

[GennGreymane]

So nothing can ever be compared because it's a what if scenario?

Its the same thing as asking what if..... Why are you denying that?

BTW its a horrible comparison. Like card games....

[Orange Joe]

Its the same thing as asking what if.....

So nothing can ever be compared because it's a what if scenario? How do we discuss things if we can't compare them with other things?

[GennGreymane]

So nothing can ever be compared because it's a what if scenario? How do we discuss things if we can't compare them with other things?

Where am I saying that?
What I am saying is.... .what is your point of that particular post if it is a what if.... Sounds to me like you should focus with JT on the real issue rather than denial.

[Dhrizzle]

Have those been missed?

Considering people are comparing his problem to gambling (when most of his losses were on p2w games) whilst others are blaming "shitty parenting" (when he feels his mother did the right thing in waiting for him to come for help instead of intervening heavily and pushing him away) and the person who originaly brought this instance up did so with the question "do you still think loot boxes are good?" (when the story doesn't so much say anything is good/bad but some people can run into problems with things that most people are fine with) then yeah, I'd say most of the points of the original post were missed.

[GennGreymane]

Considering people are comparing his problem to gambling (when most of his losses were on p2w games) whilst others are blaming "shitty parenting" (when he feels his mother did the right thing in waiting for him to come for help instead of intervening heavily and pushing him away) and the person who originaly brought this instance up did so with the question "do you still think loot boxes are good?" (when the story doesn't so much say anything is good/bad but some people can run into problems with things that most people are fine with) then yeah, I'd say most of the points of the original post were missed.

Ah I didnt see much of the earlier stuff.

[Orange Joe]

Where am I saying that?
What I am saying is.... .what is your point of that particular post if it is a what if.... Sounds to me like you should focus with JT on the real issue rather than denial.

I thought I was admitting is was a what if by asking that question?

[GennGreymane]

I thought I was admitting is was a what if by asking that question?

There was no what if question. It was a simple question. And burden of proof is still on you....

Sure?
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[Orange Joe]

So nothing can ever be compared because it's a what if scenario?

Sure?
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Yes. I'm sure. Genn you seem to be ignoring half my posts or something. You called me on it, I admitted it..

[Danuru]

If I were Blizzard, I would change how loot boxes work at this point, mainly for PR reasons. Anything to distance yourself from the way EA handles things is going to earn you some brownie points with consumers. What I would do (as Blizzard) is keep the "in-game reward" loot boxes you get for leveling up, winning arcade matches, etc; while getting rid of paid loot boxes all together, and allowing people to purchase specific cosmetics for a flat amount.

This way you retain a form a non-linear progression, where you can get players excited about getting something from a loot box, while avoiding the gambling dilemma entirely, by allowing people to get exactly what they want from micro-transactions.

Whether or not you like micro-transactions at all, I would think this would be the best move for them from a business standpoint.

[Edge-]

If I were Blizzard, I would change how loot boxes work at this point, mainly for PR reasons.

They don't need to. They and Valve are largely immune to these kinds of controversies. Look at how well Valve weathered the CS:GO gambling controversy for example, it was brief and the outrage was nowhere near what it was for this recent round.

And look at Overwatch, the game was getting breathless articles of media excitedly opening dozens of boxes for a while and editorial after editorial praising the exact same kind of behavior (RNG lockboxes, even if they were purely cosmetic) that media cried about in other games.

The fandom behind Blizzard, and Valve as well, is strong enough that neither needs to fret much. Everyone is pissed at EA primarily, and WB/Ubisoft to a lesser extend and even a bit of Activision. Blizzard is going to continue to be fine.

[Yunru]

If you think labels are going to help go for it. Personally I don't see it doing anything. Good parents will look into more than just checking the box for warning labels. Shitty parents won't look either way.

Parents are not trained for things like this and they dont follow up tehnology like kids.
Sure they can prevent you a internet at home and take your cell phone, but you can still go into internet cafe and buy lootboxes there.

My parents for example never player video games. I showed them links to this battlefront thing and they are still confuzed. Imagane i was addicted to it.
And worst thing is that there is not a single news abauth this in my country news...not a single little thing.
How would they know that if they are not informed till its to late.

So stop blaming parents for this, since they have their interest into other things. There needs to be a law for this (at least in EU) and not a country by a country, since its gona be in-effective.