Communism : Practical. Rational. Inevitable.

[Zython]

Unions can still operate, collective bargaining is just that, workers and companies... no government involvement required.

Except that in many states, requiring signing a union contract for employment is illegal. Government is already involved.

Cut your spending, and shop more wisely, it really is that simple.

I don't think you understand that literally every company is doing this.

I want government involved for only one reason, to stop one entity from harming another. I don't care who is doing what, that is the only time I want government involved.

I would consider dying due to a lack of insulin a form of harm.

The first option (newer deal) is something I simply disagree with you on how to accomplish. I want consumers and workers to take more responsibility for themselves.

Don't come crying to me when those who say "Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps" meet the same fate as those that said "Let them eat cake".

[Pantupino]

Tell that to the 100M+ people that were murdered by Communism.

[Nadiru]

Until communists can elucidate a communist answer to solve the basic economic problem of "how to allocate scarce resources", it's not practical. Until communists can describe how their system allows for the creation of new goods and services, it will never appear to be a rational choice in comparison to the wildly (sometimes dangerously) dynamic capitalist economic design. Until both of these conditions are met, communism is not inevitable.

[Mormolyce]

So you work a shit job with little to no chance to progress further, and instead of actually trying to find something better, or improving yourself to fit another, better job, you sit on forums and bitch about how hard you work while you stay poor and your boss gets richer? I bet you're a terrible employee, have nothing but a negative attitude and an enormous feeling of entitlement. I wonder why people like you want communism, oh thats right, because you want to drag everyone down to your level, misery loves company.

So if everyone who cleans out oil storage tanks takes your advice, the oil storage tanks don't get cleaned?

[JacobusRex]

Capitalism is the sadistic, morally dead-souled brother to Communism. Neither system promotes quality of life and equality of society. The problem is authority itself and all the systems of control we have become enslaved to. You have to have a perfect, morally sound authority for he/she/they to be worthwhile. This is NOT what we have in real life. Factor in the powers of money, political authority, corporate authority, and moral authority and you have a hot mess of corruption, like we have in real life.

You want a "system" that promotes quality of life and equality of society? Too bad, because there's no system that everyone can benefit from, it is not possible. The only real way to have good quality of life and equality in society is through the evolution of the human species. The problem is we've hit a plateau in our evolution, or at least it's going so slow that none of us could possibly see any truly significant change in our lifetimes. We have to evolve past the need for primitive things like possessions, status and control. Right now, we're just upright apes who know how to make nice things. We have to move past this and learn how to live our lives with purpose, responsibility and understanding.

Leadership is just a byproduct of experience, not a right, not a status symbol, but a duty. We've placed so much value on acquisition of possessions, status and control that we've cordoned ourselves off from growing up, living how we were meant to live.

[Jinpachi]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GyWZr9H8qBY

If you don't believe me, take it from the beings that will make it possible.

On a more serious note, I just binge read a fair chunk of that debate.org page and recommend it to anyone whose mind isn't shut to challenging his beliefs : http://www.debate.org/opinions/is-communism-inevitable

Let us remind, yet again, that communism is just the common ownership of the means of proлduction. It doesn't have to be USSR-like.

LOL This is some funny-ass shit right here. Gonna need better bait

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Maybe it needs to get less involved... get out of the corporatist bullshit. You can't have corporatism without government protection.

Everyone discriminates every single day. We do it when se choose what to eat, who to fuck, and where to live. I support your freedom to discriminate, and unlike you, I don't want to use violence to stop everything I don't like. Sorry, you lose, again. I have no desire to discriminate against any of those groups.

When someone attempts genocide, then stop them. If someone says something mean, ignore them. You want to attack them, and install your own fascist bullshit.

If you can't buy food or clothes, then you should either start your own company, or get people to boycott. Hell, grow your own food, make your own clothes. Instead, you want to bitch and moan, and demand someone else pay for the shit you want.

This, 100%

[Hammerfest]

I remember when we had foreign exchange students from Soviet countries at my high school in the 80s. We'd take them to an ordinary supermarket and they thought they'd died and gone to some kind of secular heaven. One even fell to his knees upon entering a Cub Foods and cried, wishing he and his whole family could live in the US upon seeing shelves stocked with food. Communism is synonymous with failure in my summation.

[Nadiru]

I remember when we had foreign exchange students from Soviet countries at my high school in the 80s. We'd take them to an ordinary supermarket and they thought they'd died and gone to some kind of secular heaven. One even fell to his knees upon entering a Cub Foods and cried, wishing he and his whole family could live in the US upon seeing shelves stocked with food. Communism is synonymous with failure in my summation.

Some would say that the Soviet Union wasn't real communism. The truth of the matter is that a communist society can only function in the technological constraints available to it at the time of its founding. It's not - or at least shouldn't be - surprising that the Soviet Union declined in living standards relative to the US in the same era where capitalist America was undergoing a new round of creative destruction. Because the Soviets were largely incapable of new production, even as they were highly capable of new research. This inability to translate ideas into things is the chief downfall of any economic system too deeply redistributionist.

[nanook12]

I am to the point where I do not even care if communism is sustainable long term. It is a nice idea and I want it do happen, but I am fed up and I really just want to see bourgeoisie heads on pikes. Men, women, children, I simply do not care anymore the bourgeoisie is my enemy. I have watched all my hopes and dreams for myself in life rot and decay due to the ruling class. I will mind the rules until revolution breaks out, but once it does. I am going to take out so much vengeance on rich people. I don't even care if I die in the process as long as I take some bourgeoisie with me and burn their house and possessions down.

I am tired of being a modern slave to the ruling class.

[Darth Vowrawn]

Capitalism does a pretty good job of purging the unfit as well. They just work themselves to death. Or starve or die of disease.

I'm sorry, what? Do you live in the 1800s? Also, lulz at a Communist talking about "work themselves to death". Or "starve or die of disease". Both of those things were infinitely worse under Marxist regimes or "economic systems" than under Capitalism. Capitalism does have a problem, but it isn't "starvation" (scarcity), it's "overabundance". We have so MUCH food and wealth, it ends up with some people making stupid choices and getting fat. I'll take "tighter airplane seats and cardiovascular disease" over "starving to death in government mandated bread lines". That said, I don't see why you think starvation is "bad", Bernie Sanders doesn't think so. But, hey, don't take MY word for it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJBjjP8WSbc

The lack of self-awareness is hilarious.

[Nadiru]

I am to the point where I do not even care if communism is sustainable long term. It is a nice idea and I want it do happen, but I am fed up and I really just want to see bourgeoisie heads on pikes.

Then go be the change you want to see in the world. Become a serial killer who targets the 1%, but realize that your vision of a global (or even national) revolution where killing those people are glorified? Isn't gonna happen, least of all with Millennials who are the most natural generation of scab workers ever bred in this country.

[Hammerfest]

Some would say that the Soviet Union wasn't real communism.

Yes, those who are desperate to defend C/communism would say that.

[nanook12]

Then go be the change you want to see in the world. Become a serial killer who targets the 1%, but realize that your vision of a global (or even national) revolution where killing those people are glorified? Isn't gonna happen, least of all with Millennials who are the most natural generation of scab workers ever bred in this country.

China is achieving it.
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/...0231b09466d1be

The country is on the firs stages of achieving full communism. Right now it is state run capitalism which is on track to overtake the U.S. as world leader by 2050. After the Chinese people all have modern wages and technology, then they plan to switch to socialism. Finally, sometime in the next millennia, China plans to slowly reduce government until the people are governing themselves. The reason it is taking so long is because people need to mature and evolve more before they are mature enough to govern themselves. But China has already stated that they are striving towards full communism.

So far their growth metrics outstrip America by piratically ever single economic metric.

So, you are wrong, communism will happen. It is just a matter of time, and in that moment the former United States of America will be an utter failure in the pages of history books.

[Nadiru]

China is achieving it.
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/...0231b09466d1be

The country is on the firs stages of achieving full communism. Right now it is state run capitalism which is on track to overtake the U.S. as world leader by 2050. After the Chinese people all have modern wages and technology, then they plan to switch to socialism. Finally, sometime in the next millennia, China plans to slowly reduce government until the people are governing themselves. The reason it is taking so long is because people need to mature and evolve more before they are mature enough to govern themselves. But China has already stated that they are striving towards full communism.

So far their growth metrics outstrip America by piratically ever single economic metric.

So, you are wrong, communism will happen. It is just a matter of time, and in that moment the former United States of America will be an utter failure in the pages of history books.

Throw a whole bucket of bait in the lake, holy moly. "Sometime in the next millennia" lmao

[nanook12]

Throw a whole bucket of bait in the lake, holy moly. "Sometime in the next millennia" lmao

China is set to overtake the U.S. GDP by 2030. From that moment on it is a slow but steady losing game for the U.S. I may be a citizen of this country, but I am cheering for China. The United States is corrupt as fuck. It deserves to fall.

[OrcsRLame]

I am to the point where I do not even care if communism is sustainable long term. It is a nice idea and I want it do happen, but I am fed up and I really just want to see bourgeoisie heads on pikes. Men, women, children, I simply do not care anymore the bourgeoisie is my enemy. I have watched all my hopes and dreams for myself in life rot and decay due to the ruling class. I will mind the rules until revolution breaks out, but once it does. I am going to take out so much vengeance on rich people. I don't even care if I die in the process as long as I take some bourgeoisie with me and burn their house and possessions down.

I am tired of being a modern slave to the ruling class.

I like you. You're honest. I've always said that the communists don't love the poor, they just hate the rich. Thank you for vindicating me.

[Tydrane]

Reading the click/flame-bait threat title, my first thought was that the only appropriate response to this thread was going to be the laughing-so-hard-he's-crying emoji. Then I remembered the last time I just posted an image as a response (a large image of the recycle bin icon) I got into trouble. Hey, that one would work here, too.

[Ahovv]

Yeah, and Nazism wasn't real Fascism because there were no class based syndicates jointly owning the means of production.

This garbage is like the ideological version of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

No, it's fucking not.

Do you consider North Korea a democratic republic just because it's called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea?

I can objectively say North Korea isn't a democratic republic, based on the facts. That is not fallacious logic.

[TheRainman]

Watched it. Nope.

[ablock87]

Communism is so practical that it killed nearly 100 million people.