Mega-Thread: Gun Control Thread

[Deleted]

Stop lying, the study says nothing of the kind.

Don't be angry, it's bad for your skin.

The number of guns per capita per country was a strong and independent predictor of firearm-related death in a given country

[Tinykong]

Having less guns, since that would reduce the extremely high number of gun related deaths.

Still talking?

The hat-tipping is your tactic, not mine.

So, you really don't care about deaths, just gun related deaths?

[rhandric]

Don't be angry, it's bad for your skin.

Firearm related death != murder. Firearm related death != all causes of violent death.

[Deleted]

The study shows nothing of the sort.

So this conclusion from the study itself

The number of guns per capita per country was a strong and independent predictor of firearm-related death in a given country

Doesn't mean more guns more firearm deaths less guns less firearms deaths?

[rhandric]

So this conclusion from the study itself
Doesn't mean more guns more firearm deaths less guns less firearms deaths?

Ah I see, you're only focused on the means, not the effect. I really shouldn't be surprised.
Plus, no where did I make that argument, but...again, not surprised.

[Deleted]

The hat-tipping is your tactic, not mine.

So, you really don't care about deaths, just gun related deaths?

Answer to 25613 or shut up please.
Thank you.

[Zoranon]

Just read the studies linked like any good boy would do mmmk?


http://www.amjmed.com/webfiles/image...m/AJM12080.pdf

I love how you ignore the difference between gun murder rate and general murder rate. But given your penchant for logical fallacies, I am not surprised. Not to mention you ignoring the difference between gun murder rate and gun related death.

[PhaelixWW]

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/co...tal_gun_injury

17% increase over the last 10 years.

I said 15 years.

And conveniently in 2000, the year before that graph starts, the rate was 26.82, which is even higher than the peak in 2012.

[Deleted]

Ah I see, you're only focused on the means, not the effect. I really shouldn't be surprised.
Plus, no where did I make that argument, but...again, not surprised.

You mean, reducing the (alarmingly high) amount of firearm deaths is not a reduction of deaths in general?

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I love how you ignore the difference between gun murder rate and general murder rate. But given your penchant for logical fallacies, I am not surprised. Not to mention you ignoring the difference between gun murder rate and gun related death.

What's the difference between gun murder rates and murder rates? Lowering one to any developed country's level wouldn't lower murder rates in general?

[rhandric]

You mean, reducing the (alarmingly high) amount of firearm deaths is not a reduction of deaths in general?

Not necessarily.

[Tinykong]

Answer to 25613 or shut up please.
Thank you.

Are you going to correct this:

As this will reduce murder rates, as shown by the study.

Firearm related deaths are not all encompassed by the term "murder rates."

Again, you confuse the terms and post incoherent responses.

[Deleted]

Not necessarily.

So you mean lowering the amoun of run related death to let's say 5 every 100k people from the current 10 would not reduce general murder rates?
Why, cause you'll see an increase of stabbing rates?
Please explain.

[Zoranon]

You mean, reducing the (alarmingly high) amount of firearm deaths is not a reduction of deaths in general?

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What's the difference between gun murder rates and murder rates? Lowering one to any developed country's level wouldn't lower murder rates in general?

No it would not, otherwise UK would have the lowest murder rate in Europe.

[Tinykong]

So you mean lowering the amoun of run related death to let's say 5 every 100k people from the current 10 would not reduce general murder rates?
Why, cause you'll see an increase of stabbing rates?
Please explain.

http://crimepreventionresearchcenter...fter-gun-bans/

[Deleted]

Are you going to correct this:



Firearm related deaths are not all encompassed by the term "murder rates."

Again, you confuse the terms and post incoherent responses.

I'm being quite clear on what you need to do in order to join this conversation I'm having with zoranon and rhandric.
Answer 25613 or talk to someone else.

[rhandric]

So you mean lowering the amoun of run related death to let's say 5 every 100k people from the current 10 would not reduce general murder rates?
Why, cause you'll see an increase of stabbing rates?
Please explain.

1) Crime rates not correlated with gun rates. Therefore, removing/restricting guns isn't going to change crime rates, just crime rate distribution.
2) Not all gun-related deaths are caused by crimes (murder).
3) Illegalizing guns doesn't prevent gun use in crimes.

[Tinykong]

I'm being quite clear on what you need to do in order to join this conversation I'm having with zoranon and rhandric.
Answer 25613 or talk to someone else.

If you don't want to respond to my posts, don't? No one is forcing you to continue to respond.

[Deleted]

No it would not, otherwise UK would have the lowest murder rate in Europe.

The Uk does have a much lower murder rate than the USA. And pretty much in line with the rest of Europe.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/data...velopment-data

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-...istics2013.xls
Last one is about homicides.

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If you don't want to respond to my posts, don't? No one is forcing you to continue to respond.

I have no problem responding to your post, after you reply to mine.

[TZucchini]

And conveniently in 2000, the year before that graph starts, the rate was 26.82, which is even higher than the peak in 2012.

I wouldn't say it's convenient. It doesn't change the fact that over 10 years, the rate increased by 17%.

[Tinykong]

I have no problem responding to your post, after you reply to mine.

You seem to think you're in control of the discussion here. I'm under no obligation to respond to anything you've posted. If you don't want to continue to engage in a discussion with me, stop posting/quoting/replying to me? It's not hard.