What do you mean over-tuned?
3 month totals: Halfus was killed by 52,000 guilds, and Stone Guard 36,400 guilds. Tier 11 was not as difficult?
Even going by Tier 11's final boss vs. Tier 14s first boss, there are half as many T11 Final Boss kills are T14's first boss kill, which is about what it should be.
You can only compare final bosses of the tier, in which case you get twice as many guilds having killed Al'akir than Shekzeer, and twice as many guilds have killed Cho'gall compared to Sha of Fear in the same time frame.
You can't compare Halfus. Halfus was a joke of a boss. The rest of the bosses in that tier were pretty well tuned. T11 heroics were hard, but not stupid stonewall Rag HM hard. They were challenging and fun.
Just comparing first bosses. I can post the entire thing if it'll help.
3 month totals:
Stone Guard: 36,400
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Halfus: 52,000
Valiona: 45,000
Council: 33,300
Omnotron: 51,000
Magmaw: 55,000
Maloriak: 44,000
Chimaeron: 35,000
Atramedes: 36,000
Conclave: 39,000
So more guilds killed Halfus, Valiona, Omnotron, Magmaw, Maloriak, and Conclave in 3 months, than have killed the introductory raid boss in 5.0.
More guilds killed Half the Tier in 4.0 than have killed the first boss in 5.0 .
Weren't subs higher going into Cata? *shrug*. This tier is pretty great too but I had more fun in T11 with the exception of a few bosses.
Maybe because there are way fewer active guilds now than there were before? Ever thought of that?
You're a good one. You'd think that one of your 1,500 posts you'd have something intelligent to contribute to a 30 page discussion. Less raiding guilds existing now was already brought up.
You're also overlooking the fact that I've included 6 month, and 3 month totals for boss kills. Negates your "more time" comment. You can't make a ridiculous argument, have someone present a counter-argument, and your last line of defense be "nanner nanner nuh uh! I'm right you're wrong"
"3 guilds per server have killed blahblah bosses before Firelands" Are you discussing heroic mode or something? I've been discussing normal modes the entire time.
Normal mode Stone Guard, Normal mode Chogall, Normal mode -EVERYTHING-. I thought this was assumed when I presented the number of 20,000 guilds having killed Will of the Emperor, and 17,000 or whatever killing Nefarian after 3 months.
I could break down the 3 month kill per heroic boss, but honestly, i've spent more time than I've wanted to in this thread. Between getting PM-Bombed by the OP about her crap DPS and why she was declined from a raiding guild, and between people arguing Tier difficulty, I've officially lost any sense of fun in this thread. I'm out!
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Millions do not raid. Raiding has nothing to do with subs loss, usually, not in any noticable way I can figure. Lack of accessible content for everyone does, though, surely. Lack of content in general surely does.
Even with counting LFR during DS, the amount of people raiding was still fairly damned low. Counting it now... it's still fairly damn low.
Why do you people live in this fantasy world?
Even in times when it was much easier to get pugs going for stuff, like during the highest buffs in ICC, very few people raided.
Guild apps have gotten ridiculous to be honest. Most of my raiding was done from Vanilla to WLK. With Cataclysm I played off and on and very casually, so I hadn't even looked at a guild application in awhile. I checked one out recently and I had to laugh. The applications that potential employees have to fill out for me are less detailed than that. It shouldn't be much of a problem though, if it's just an average guild that has an app like that then don't waste your time it's not worth it. If it's a top guild you shouldn't mind giving them information if you think you'd be a good fit for them anyway.
Some of these replies make me glad I didn't play in Cataclysm.
Poor OP got torn to shreds.
OT: Guild applications are still necessary for the top tier and serious 25 man raiding guilds. They act as a very good initial barrier to weed out the chaff.
For a 10 man guild, or even a middle of the pack 25 man guild, I think a 10 minute vent conversation is the way to go.
The rule of thumb is they're not judging you because your specs are alright. Else you wouldn't apply, you'd know your apply would be denied, and it'd be an utter waste of time. What they're merely doing is verifying.
What it is meant for is to weed out the dumbfucks who are playing on an old rig with 2 FPS. Nowadays they're a rare breed though.
They're also making sure you know what you are playing with, are able to look this up, and that it is good enough. It is relevant for 25m guilds and top end, but also even less serious guilds. You don't want to have a fellow in your raid who's having overheating issues. If they didn't state they had these issues in their app they held back important information about themselves which means gkick or social status.
Personally, I always need to look up what my specs are when someone asks because it isn't even something I obsess about or remember (I completely laugh at all the spec linking in sigs, calling it ricer and epeen). I am well past that age. Also, as a 10m raider my settings are optimized for 10m quality raiding. If I am going to do Sha or LFR my FPS won't be high enough for my own standards. I can either live with it, or lower my graphics settings. I generally opt for the former, I don't care much about my performance in either of these settings. If I were to join a 25m raiding guild I'd certainly adapt beforehand by lowering my graphics settings (also because I want good logs). Actually, more likely I'd spend some money and upgrade computer parts.
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Easily solved: Disband and dissolve. Everyone tries to fit in the spots which are open like LEGO.
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Depends. In 10m it can be important. If you got good alternatives you can stick the spriest with shadow and let the shaman use their off spec instead. Then, when required, said shaman would be able to go healing. If that shaman has good attendance, the priest can stick to shadow (which he's very good at). There's no problem. But if nobody can reliably fill that spot of off healing you may be better off with an spriest who is able to play their off spec well.
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Completely neglecting LFR. Newsflash: for some people, LFR is more than enough. They don't have to do Normal to see the content. LFR is just fine. They didn't have the option of seeing the content and doing LFR in 4.0 or 4.2. So it simply isn't fair to completely ignore LFR out of the equation (as laughable as you may find the difficulty of LFR).
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Even if you do not get through the vent interview, try to learn from it. If you get refused by someone for something (job, relationship you name it) you gotta suck it up. You can just move on, but you can also -where appropriate- learn from it and take those teachings in your next interview. We already do this, because we're learning every day, but I still want to underline you can do it more proactive and be more aware of it.
I loved writing guild applications in TBC/Wotlk
No, many of us get it, but do not agree.
Your stories are great, too bad all of us had those moments. People did the same shit in Vanilla dude.
What you are missing: Its THEIR GUILD, so they can be as PICKY as they like.
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Stop screaming Elitism all the time... using apps =/= elitism.