PC for WoW Ultra for 1000€

[hYrsch]

Hey Folks,

I'm currently considering buying a new System. i know that there are millions requests like this one out there, but as computer parts get outdated with in weeks or months - performance and/or price wise - i want to have a system made particular for my demands. I want to add, that i have close to no knowledge about computer parts, so you may want to consider that when giving suggestions :P

Budget:
1000€ to start with, if there are good reasons to go higher than that, i'm willing to invest that money

Resolution:
Not really sure whats meant with Resolution, i read 1080p is like standard in that budget?!

Games/ Setting Desired:
WoW should run smoothly with 30 fps least on ultra setting in 25m Raid with Addons, background programms like chrome, teamspeak, skype, possibly even streaming ... - that would be the aim, not sure if that's within the budget.
(I assume other games like Dota 2 will work flawlessly as well with these settings?!)

Country:
Germany

Parts that can be reused:
Non really.

Do you need an OS?
not really, but please include win8 in your calculations.

Peripherals:
I want to use a two monitor setup like i'm doing now. Current main monitor is SyncMaster P2350(G)/P23500(G),Magic P2350G(Analog) if this information is needed. Other than that, no new periperals are needed.

i'd also prefer having an ssd for WoW and OS, if possible.


I haven't build a computer manually yet, thus i'm willing to spend 20€ or so for letting experts do that. If its much cheaper to do it myself, i will give it a try :P

Thanks in advance

[Duroga]

Hi,

I have this one for 3 weeks now, playing WOW on ULTRA with high fps while raiding

MEDION® AKOYA® P5333 look in Medion Shop Price:729,- EUR
Medion was bought by Lenovo last year so i think the quality ist OK


Fast and Quiet. Win8 is no problem at all.

Best

Duroga

[Bender16]

Since I recently build a PC for myself at the 1000€ price point, I'm trying to build something for you right now.

One thing I didn't really understand - do you want to buy 2 new monitors? Or do you want to keep using your old ones?

EDIT:

http://i.imgur.com/VG02BxC.jpg

This would probably be the best PC you can get for just under 1000€ (If you don't need new monitors)

I'm gonna explain real quick why I choose those particular parts:

CPU: Xeon 1230V3 - Haswell CPU with Hyperthreading, as fast as an i7 for the price of an i5. You can't overclock, but I don't think you would want that or even need that anyways. Especially since you mentioned that you wanted to stream, I would go with this CPU over an i5 any day.
MOBO: Great Motherboard for the price, has everything you need. H87 because you can't overclock the Xeon anyways.
RAM: 8GB is plenty, also it's easy to upgrade. 1600Mhz, CL9 timing, that is what you want.
PSU: Seasonic, really really good quality. More than good enough for the build.
GPU: GTX 760, a bit slower than the GTX 670 but a lot cheaper. Really great card for the money in my opinion.
DVD-Drive: Just a simple dvd drive/burner.
SSD: Samsung 840. Really great SSD in general. Good price.
OS: Win8 as you requested.
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM, 1 TB. Nothing really to say about.
Case: Depends if you like it. It's a great case for the money.

Also, I included an Adapter for your analog monitor to connect it to your GTX 760.

Also, all parts are from "Hardwareversand.de". They assemble the system for only 20€.

[hYrsch]

Thanks for the replies

I have already two monitors and want to keep using them, although i might buy a new one because the second monitor is quite old and ugly 4:3 :P, but that should not be included in the 1000€ budget

Edit: Any thoughts regarding the pc of Duroga?

[Bender16]

The Medion PC is not bad for the price, by any means. But you get alot more for your money if you configure a PC yourself.

For ~260€ more, you get a much better CPU, GPU and a 120GB SSD. Also, you can be sure to have high quality components in your PC. If you have the money, I would go with something like the build that I posted.

[hYrsch]

Again: Thank you VERY MUCH for your work, really appreciating your effort in explaining why you chose the parts.One more questions: are there any major upgrades for about 200€ if i want to spend more? or should i use the money on a new monitor? :P

any one elses thoughts about the system suggested by Bender16?

Edit: although i dont have not much knowledge in this area, 8gb ram sounds a bit low to me, since my 3-4 years old pc for 600 bucks then also has 8gb. is that enough?

[Bender16]

If you really want to pay 200€ more, you could get a better GPU like a GTX 770. However, this is not needed for WoW and/or Dota 2 to be played on max settings. You could however play other modern games like Battlefield 3 or Crysis 3 on higher graphic settings than you could with your GTX 760.

16GB Ram does not have a noticeable benefit for you if you are not doing graphical technical work like drafting or graphical editing and those kind of things.
8GB Ram is plenty for gaming. Also, RAM is one of the easiest things to upgrade if you ever feel like you need more than 8GB.

If you want you can get yourself another CPU cooler like a Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo. The CPU cooler that comes with the CPU can be pretty loud. But that's not really needed.

Other than that, I don't really see why you should spend more money.

Personally I would stick with the PC that I posted and spend those 200€ on a new monitor.

Maybe get a great IPS monitor or even a 120hz monitor? That would make a much bigger difference than upgrading the PC further that I posted

[chazus]

CPU: Xeon 1230V3 - Haswell CPU with Hyperthreading, as fast as an i7 for the price of an i5. You can't overclock, but I don't think you would want that or even need that anyways. Especially since you mentioned that you wanted to stream, I would go with this CPU over an i5 any day.

Bad choice. For the same price as a 4670K, and overclocking is directly proportional to raid performance. Even the older 3570K would be a better choice.

MOBO: Great Motherboard for the price, has everything you need. H87 because you can't overclock the Xeon anyways.

Again, since you want an OC cpu, an OC board is recommended

Maybe get a great IPS monitor or even a 120hz monitor?

120hz monitor is a lost cause on WoW. If you had to choose, go IPS.

[Bender16]

The Xeon1230V3 is more then powerful enough for World of Warcraft, even when raiding 25man.
I don't think that there is a huge FPS difference between the Stock Xeon vs. i5 Overclocked.
Also, the performance gain from the Hyperthreading is HUGE for things like streaming. Actually, I only recommended him the Xeon because he said that he wanted to stream. Otherwise I would have suggested an i5.

I've been playing on a 120hz monitor for over a year now and I have a 60hz monitor right next to it, the difference is like night and day. WoW is much much smoother on a 120hz monitor.

But yeah, it depends if you prefer really great colors or a smoother gaming experience.

[chazus]

The Xeon1230V3 is more then powerful enough for World of Warcraft, even when raiding 25man.
I don't think that there is a huge FPS difference between the Stock Xeon vs. i5 Overclocked.

You might not think that, but you are incorrect. Sorry =/

Also, the performance gain from the Hyperthreading is HUGE for things like streaming. Actually, I only recommended him the Xeon because he said that he wanted to stream. Otherwise I would have suggested an i5.

I wouldn't call it 'huge', but there is a benefit. However I think they'd still benefit from higher clocks, than hyperthreading, at that budget level.

I've been playing on a 120hz monitor for over a year now and I have a 60hz monitor right next to it, the difference is like night and day. WoW is much much smoother on a 120hz monitor.

I don't... think you understand how 120hz monitors work.

If you aren't getting over 60fps (which you cannot on Ultra in raids at 1080), then the 120hz aspect is utterly lost. It's like having a fifth wheel in the trunk of your car and thinking it makes you go faster, because more wheels means more speed.

GRANTED, if you are doing OTHER things, like FPS games where you can get higher frames with a better GPU, then 120hz is great. But for WoW raiding, it's not useful.

I (and most people) base their Raid gaming performance as the benchmark, not sitting alone in an empty zone killing rabbits and going "DUDE I totally am getting 200fps on this setup its awesome"

higher frames in raids is more important than higher frames.... somewhere else. Take your pick. 80-100fps in questing, and 30fps in raids... or 60fps in questing and 60fps in raids.

[Killora]

Let's say that hyperthreading was this beast of a thing for Streaming (it's not, it's 20% boost at best), why would you buy a Xeon instead of an I7? The latter you can overclock, which is MUCH more of a benefit than hyperthreading in 25 man raids and streaming.

The best option is a 4670k/3570k OC'd.

[Bender16]

You might not think that, but you are incorrect. Sorry =/


I wouldn't call it 'huge', but there is a benefit. However I think they'd still benefit from higher clocks, than hyperthreading, at that budget level.


I don't... think you understand how 120hz monitors work.

If you aren't getting over 60fps (which you cannot on Ultra in raids at 1080), then the 120hz aspect is utterly lost. It's like having a fifth wheel in the trunk of your car and thinking it makes you go faster, because more wheels means more speed.

GRANTED, if you are doing OTHER things, like FPS games where you can get higher frames with a better GPU, then 120hz is great. But for WoW raiding, it's not useful.

I (and most people) base their Raid gaming performance as the benchmark, not sitting alone in an empty zone killing rabbits and going "DUDE I totally am getting 200fps on this setup its awesome"

higher frames in raids is more important than higher frames.... somewhere else. Take your pick. 80-100fps in questing, and 30fps in raids... or 60fps in questing and 60fps in raids.

You're telling me it's incorrect, yet you aren't showing me any evidence in form of benchmarks or some other stuff.


Also, I don't get your reference to the 120hz monitor. Are you saying that you can only get 30fps with the Xeon in raids, and 60fps with an overclocked i5? That's not true, at all.

Or are you saying that you get "30 fps in raids and 80-100fps in questing" by using a 120hz monitor vs. getting 60fps in raids and 60fps while questing by using a 60hz monitor?

The monitor refresh rate has nothing to do with the FPS. Sure with a 60hz monitor you would want to limit it to 60fps, the only difference with a 120hz monitor is that you would want to lock it to 120fps, thats it.

Let's say that hyperthreading was this beast of a thing for Streaming (it's not, it's 20% boost at best), why would you buy a Xeon instead of an I7? The latter you can overclock, which is MUCH more of a benefit than hyperthreading in 25 man raids and streaming.

The best option is a 4670k/3570k OC'd.

Because an i7 is much more expensive?
For this budget, a Xeon is a much better choice.
Overclocking does not provide crazy amounts of performance gains. Check some benchmarks.
I'm sure he would get more FPS with an overclocked i5 or i7, sure, but saying that ~800mhz more (3.7ghz Xeon vs lets say 4.5ghz i5) is "MUCH more of a benefit" than hyperthreading in 25man raids and streaming? No.

[chazus]

You're telling me it's incorrect, yet you aren't showing me any evidence in form of benchmarks or some other stuff.

At the risk of sounding elitist, I feel I really don't need to 'prove' that. It's information so glaring and obvious, on any benchmark on any website, that contesting that idea indicates you've not researched the matter to any degree.

Also, I don't get your reference to the 120hz monitor. Are you saying that you can only get 30fps with the Xeon in raids, and 60fps with an overclocked i5? That's not true, at all.

I wouldn't say '30fps'. But an overclocked 3570K will kick that Xeon around the sandbox and -then- tell the Xeon's mommy that the Xeon pushed him.

Or are you saying that you get "30 fps in raids and 80-100fps in questing" by using a 120hz monitor vs. getting 60fps in raids and 60fps while questing by using a 60hz monitor?
The monitor refresh rate has nothing to do with the FPS. Sure with a 60hz monitor you would want to limit it to 60fps, the only difference with a 120hz monitor is that you would want to lock it to 120fps, thats it.

Y...es and no.
A 120hz monitor and 60hz monitor (assuming all other aspects are equal), will look the same on anything 60fps and under. Since you cannot get over 60fps in raids, the extra cost of a 120hz monitor is lost. However, outside of raids, where over 60fps is possible, a 120hz monitor could be used... But still seems like a waste.

Overclocking does not provide crazy amounts of performance gains. Check some benchmarks.
I'm sure he would get more FPS with an overclocked i5 or i7, sure, but saying that ~800mhz more (3.7ghz Xeon vs lets say 4.5ghz i5) is "MUCH more of a benefit" than hyperthreading in 25man raids and streaming? No.

I would suggest you do the same. All benchmarks of overclocking and all reviews and accounts on this forum, will show you otherwise.

Also, I don't think that Xeon would do 3.7. If all four cores were being used, it's more like 3.5 I imagine. I can't seem to find Turbo Boost info on that CPU, but usually it goes 1 core top bin, and each extra core drops a bin.

[Bender16]

Alright, I'm done arguing over this. This will lead to nowhere.

Just one more thing, since you can't seem to find Turbo Boost info on the Xeon --http://ark.intel.com/products/75054/intel-xeon-processor-e3-1230-v3-8m-cache-3_30-ghz

My opinion: I wouldn't want to trade Hyperthreading for possible 800mhz more on the clock speed, which would give me a few more FPS while raiding 25man. I highly doubt that you would gain more than 10fps. Especially when you want to stream.

[moremana]

All that is gained on the Xeon is Hyper-Threading. As fare as it being better than the 4670K, Chazus is right, its not better for gaming. The Xeon is made for workstations using cad programs, and the like, that is where hyper threading shines, yes it will improve streaming in a sense, the i5-4670k however even streaming and playing WoW while using Fraps will still handle it very well. The price difference for a decent Z87 versus a H87 is well worth it in the long run should he want to play newer games.

Using a low budget Xeon for gaming is not better than any overclockable i5-i7 processor, and yes 800 MHz makes a big difference. Do I have benchmarks, no, could I get some? Sure can, I build em all the time, workstations and gaming systems, and no not as a hobby, its my job.

OP, do not buy a Xeon over a unlocked i5 or i7 for gaming.

[chazus]

Just one more thing, since you can't seem to find Turbo Boost info on the Xeon --http://ark.intel.com/products/75054/intel-xeon-processor-e3-1230-v3-8m-cache-3_30-ghz

I didn't mean that, I meant the actual core states.

I highly doubt that you would gain more than 10fps. Especially when you want to stream.

You would. You do. Heck, going from my 3570K stock to overclocking it, made a considerable difference.

[Cyanotical]

You're telling me it's incorrect, yet you aren't showing me any evidence in form of benchmarks or some other stuff.

it's such common knowledge that evidence isn't needed, thats like asking for proof that the sky is blue

The monitor refresh rate has nothing to do with the FPS. Sure with a 60hz monitor you would want to limit it to 60fps, the only difference with a 120hz monitor is that you would want to lock it to 120fps, thats it.

but if you never get more than 50 FPS, getting a 120Hz panel is worthless because you'll never utilize it's capabilities, in terms of refresh rate vs frame rate, the lowest number is what you get, not what you "lock" it into, you can't force a 27 FPS game to give you 120 FPS

Because an i7 is much more expensive?
For this budget, a Xeon is a much better choice.
Overclocking does not provide crazy amounts of performance gains. Check some benchmarks.
I'm sure he would get more FPS with an overclocked i5 or i7, sure, but saying that ~800mhz more (3.7ghz Xeon vs lets say 4.5ghz i5) is "MUCH more of a benefit" than hyperthreading in 25man raids and streaming? No.

not really, unless you are referring to the i7-3970x

a Xeon is never a better choice for a consumer

800Mhz IS much more of an improvement than hyperthreading, it's like driving on a highway, taking a 2 lane road or a 16 lane road doesn't matter when you can't go faster than the speed limit, going from A to B will take the same amount of time, adding more lanes just lets more cars through at the same time, it doesn't make you go faster, the only way to get from A to B faster is to raise the speed limit, same thing with computers, simply throwing more cores at a single thread is going to do nothing, but increasing the IPC rate by overclocking the CPU does a lot more

also, there is no 3.7Ghz haswell Xeon, the closest is the E3-1275V3 (3.5Ghz), a $360 CPU, and considering an i7 can be had for $220, a Xeon is a plain out stupid choice for a gaming system, the only time you would use a Xeon is on Socket 2011 as a hybrid workstation, IE a E5-2687W, and a few titans or 7970s

Let's say that hyperthreading was this beast of a thing for Streaming (it's not, it's 20% boost at best), why would you buy a Xeon instead of an I7? The latter you can overclock, which is MUCH more of a benefit than hyperthreading in 25 man raids and streaming.

The best option is a 4670k/3570k OC'd.

if you are streaming the fx-8350 is probably the better choice given that its the same price as the 4670k and overclockable

[chazus]

there is no 3.7Ghz haswell Xeon

He's referring to the 3.3ghz one that Turbos to 3.7 (but more like 3.5 for games, most likely). Thats why I was wondering about the core states.

[hYrsch]

im highly confused.

Could you post me the updated build? =P

[chazus]

This might be a good place to start. I'm not familiar with German websites, so some tweaking may be had. You really ought to build it, and it's not difficult to do these days anymore. I added the links for the GPU, CPU Cooler, and OS in manually since PCPartpicker couldn't find them. It's a tiny bit over budget, but that can probably be tweaked. Opted for the 3570K over the 4670K due to budget constraints.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (€206.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
CPU Cooler: CM Hyper 212 EVO (€29.90)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (€121.04 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: GeIL EVO Leggara Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€49.90 @ Caseking)
GPU: Gigabyte Geforce 760 (€249.90)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (€85.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€59.23 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (€49.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (€54.90 @ Caseking)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer (€15.70 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Other: Win8 64bit (English) (€86.90)
Total: €1008.37
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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