He also said in the same video that they've discussed it returning in 6.1 what's your point. I can easily cherrypick that and say that a 6.1 return will happen, just as you're cherrypicking that it'll require an overwhelming amount of players. How about watching his statement as a whole and determing that there is no definate leaning towards an answer like a rational person would?
Blizz doesn't want flying to return. The over riding theme of their comments is no flight going forward, but possibly they might return it if some Blizz determined threshold is crossed. We don't know what that threshold is, or it's parameters, but if it is crossed, then they might bring flight back. Fortunately for them, they are of the mindset they won't have to revert this change.
"These so called speed humps are a joke. If anything, they slow you down. "
I think people can have a different opinion on what he said:
Tom Chilton interview transcript:
"Um, we'll see. So, you know, we've talked about it as a possibility for Patch 6.1, that you would earn the ability to fly. A lot of it would depend upon how players feel about it. Right? It's not, it's, you know, it's a question that the community as a whole needs to arrive at an answer to. Uh, we're still kind of seeing how this experiment of not allowing players to fly for one entire patch goes. Um, there are players that, obviously, that hate it and think that it's the worst decision we've ever made. Um, fortunately it doesn't look like it's a significant majority of players. Um, it looks like a lot of players are really interested in seeing, kind of re-exploring what it looks like to, uh, to play on the ground. 'Cuz honestly there's a lot more game depth on the ground than there is in the air. Um, the air is nice for getting vistas and taking screenshots and looking around and going 'Oooo!' But there are other ways we can achieve that, too, without necessarily having free-form flight. So, we'll see. Um, if players overwhelmingly want it by Patch 6.1, then we'll probably do it. "
He says the return of flight "would depend upon how players feel about it". That's what we are discussing in this thread. No reason to tell us to go to a different thread.
According to Blizzard "how we feel about it" (like or dislike) will determine if there is the "possibly no flying throughout entire xpac".
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Cool you have an opinion about it but your opinion, which points towards an subjective absolute, does not suddenly supercede mine, which retains objective ambiguity.
When did I tell you to go to another thread to talk about the return of flight? I said go to the other thread to talk about whether you like flying or not. Please keep up.
Seeing as you were so keen to play the quoting game earlier I'll go ahead and do it for you:
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I would call WoD the NGE of WoW. For those who don't know the story:
Star Wars Galaxies (SWG) was well received by the players and was growing. Then the developers just dropped the New Game Enhancements (NGE) which redically changed the game, removed features, simplified things and changed a lot of features. The playerbase flipped their shit because the game was radically changed overnight, largely without player feedback, or even considering player needs at all. The game lost 3/4 of its player base and died in obscurity.
More details are easily finable online:
http://massively.joystiq.com/2008/06...e-re-examined/
Anyways, what Blizzard is doing with WoW in WoD is very similar. They are wildly changing the game, removing features, and changing things for changes sake. To their credit, it was not all behind closed doors like with SWG - but to make it worse IMO is that they are doing it in the open - getting a TON of negative feedback on a lot of the changes and they just don't care. No flying is just one of those wildly negative feedback areas.
They don't care. They just think that people will accept it because "they know better". They don't. They have gotten so cocky that they think they can ignore feedback from subscribers. That attitude will change or the company shareholders will flip their shit when they see WoW lose another couple million subs.
Edit:
Here's yet another thread on the beta forums where people are asking for flight back:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/13839304328
and another:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/14608541423
Shocking that Blizzard just continues to ignore the issue. Its not like it is going away.
Edit (2):
More scanning the beta forums. People are complaining about so many things. The loot system, the squish, the lore, class nerfs, major healing issues.
There is very little positivity. I wonder if people at Blizzard are realizing what is going to happen yet. I've watched every beta process of WoW since forever, and there was always so much more excitement than what is happening this time. During the Wrath beta people were flipping out with excitement.
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So tell me not to fly while you do is exactly GIMPING ME WHILE BENEFITING YOU. What I am asking for is both of us on even ground. Without flying.
Besides, in many ways a loot treadmill game like WoW is a 'keeping up with the Jones' experience. Telling one person they can just do something inefficiently and slowly if they want to while you fly around with all the power that provides isn't going to work. If it were a single player game like Skyrim, sure that's fine. Not in a multiplayer game.
I am not sure the loss of subs from WoW will be that big of an issue. Honestly, I think the way they are positioning themselves with Hearthstone and HotS, they are looking forward to the days where they can develoup less resource intense games for more revenue. IMO, they are resigned to knowing WoW will fall back to a steady 3 mill or so subs, and are making streamline versions of games with iconic characters that offer faster rewards for cash incentives with less overheads.
The subjective trimming down of WoW moving into WoD looks to me to be pushing people into those other games along side of WoW, ala garrison check, Done! Hearthstone daily, Done! HotS matchmaking daily, Done! A spreading of the cream across the blizzard cake, as opposed to a healthy dollop of cream on our individual slice.
"These so called speed humps are a joke. If anything, they slow you down. "
Why would they do no flying??
It's not gimping you in any way that should make you not want to favor your ground mount if you wish too. We've been over this and it's apparent that everything you want to accomplish in game can be done using a ground mount. You could be a heroic raider and still keep up with the content and your guild.
You are making things up.
To stretch out product lifecycle and make it last longer.
MOP and CATA both were really small expansions compared to the others and Vanilla.
MoP tried to gate everyone with dailies. This time they are gating people with travel.
To date, I have not seen anything that leads me to believe the type of content we will see in WoD will be any different than what we have seen in previous expansions.
The only difference is we cannot fly, thats it.
Which is wrong, this thread includes discussions about like or dislike of flying.
Then you tell us to go to another thread.
Tom Chilton says the return of flight "would depend upon how players feel about it". That's what we are discussing in this thread. No reason to tell us to go to a different thread.
According to Blizzard "how we feel about it" (like or dislike) will determine if there is the "possibly no flying throughout entire xpac".
Last edited by Nayaga; 2014-10-03 at 07:58 PM.
Saying they've 'discussed' it does not mean (or even remotely imply) that their discussion was about returning it. That 'discussion' could just as easily have been about how and why to keep it out. You seem determined to apply your own "bias" to Blizz statements, yet tell others of us we should not do that; that it is bad. I smell hypocricy.
As for 'cherrypicking'...
You either have not seen Chilton's video or are completely ingoring/mangling it because that is nearly verbatim what he said. Your credibility falls with every sentence you write.
The thread title is obvious. For all intents and purposes, this is the thread to discuss flying in WoD and WoW going forward, and all sub branches of that topic. If you don;t believe me, make a separate flying topic and see how long it takes before it is merged into this one.
"These so called speed humps are a joke. If anything, they slow you down. "
All I said is that they discussed it, and if I did have bias towards the topic I could easily twist those words around and say that their discussion of it returning in 6.1 will mean that'll happen. I do not hold the belief that him saying he discussed it automatically means it will return. I'm merely saying that if bias is applied to what Chilton said as a whole it is very easy to swing one way or another.
So yes, I have seen Chilton's video and you've failed to actually show where I lack credibility. All I've seen you do is interpret the nature of Chilton's discussion in your own manner of agenda to fit your narrative. And you say I lack credibility? We've both done exactly the same thing!
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I think you're exactly right and they have hinted as such in the discussion where they cancelled Titan. They came right out and said that they want to do smaller development efforts.
The thing I don't get is that why accelerate the decline? They could genuinely keep making people happy playing WoW for years if they would only listen to feedback. It is still a cash cow, at least at the sub numbers as they exist now.
It's been A month and a half that this thread has been up for. Something's telling me that it's not getting merged any time soon.
The point is that earlier when I was discussing Blizzard's stance on flying I was told to stop by someone because apparently it was derailing and then immediately asked if I liked flying or not. Some people genuinely believe that this thread's sole purpose is to discuss your like or dislike of flying.
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