Already can't stand the garrison chore

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And before idiots invade, no, garrisons are not just something you can choose not to do, any more than you can choose not to enchant your items or put gems in your sockets. In a game that's all about improving your character, one of the main methods of doing so cannot reasonably be considered optional. Half of WoW's character advancement is tied to the garrison.

And my god is it tedious. As soon as the newness novelty wore off, I've hated every moment of it. It's completely lonely, totally bereft of any actual gameplay, and horrendously designed behind this wall of artificial mobile game style waiting. There's nothing you can actively work towards, there's nothing you can go out and really spend time on. Still you can't just leave it alone and check in once a day or you will miss out on 75% of your mission quota.

Whose idea was it to tie half of WoD's gameplay into a glorified Facebook game? It's as if the developers knew nothing about gaming at all and just looked at what's popular lately, saw mobile gaming, and concluded that what's good about that is the fact that you have to wait for stuff. They then failed to comprehend that the reason mobile games are like that is not because waiting is entertaining but because it's meant to encourage players to pay to bypass the waits. But the developers only got as far as "the new games make people wait all the time, so let's have that in WoW."

In WoD, almost every venue of character advancement is now gated behind artificial time limitations. Once finished with 5-man heroics, there's nothing left that you can actively work towards when you wish.

Daily CM is once per day, CMs give no rewards outside of that quest.

Professions are gated behind your daily cooldown and work orders, can't be sped up.

Raids reset once a week, as has always been the case, which was fine back when all the other content was available ad libitum.

Apexis crystals can only be obtained in very limited amounts, barring spending ridiculous amounts of hours farming mobs for pitiful returns which is really not something that anyone should tolerate.

After finishing with heroics, it seems like there's enough gameplay for character advancement to fill about two hours per day, and then the rest of the time you just wait for your missions to come home. Can't farm crafting materials; the useful BoEs sell for 100k and drop so rarely that you can't realistically farm them; reputation rewards are now cosmetics and toys only. What exactly is one supposed to do with more than a couple of hours of playtime a day?

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The worst part is the mine.

I will not clear it anymore, it's just annoying. Why do you have 20 miners working in there if you have to go in and mine yourself.

But yeah overall garrison are a complete failure.

The invasions are completely bugged and untested apparently.

And overall the garrison makes WoW more single-player than ever. Basically I am only standing around in the garrison now and queueing through fully automated dungeon finders.

Also very disappointed that reputations don't give anything useful.

There is nothing to do post-heroic dungeons. Said this a week ago already.

Raiding is the only thing to do but good luck if you just returned and don't have a raid spot in a decent guild because normal is way overtuned for random groups to clear which is bullshit. It should not be puggable, but it should be easily clearable with heroic dungeon gear by a disciplined random group.

Instead you see good guilds in half epic boe gear wiping a bunch especially on the last boss.

[owbu]

Dont like to wait?
Would you like to buy these 500 Platinum Resources for only 5.99 from the WoW Store?

[DemoBytom]

Garrison's fine I'm enjoying it on my monk

The other 2 alts.. Damn I'm so scared the momment I do get lv3 garrison on them :O

[schwarzkopf]

You don't have to do everything every time you know.

Blizzard are offering more and more choice on how you achieve end results, this means you can CHOOSE between them.

For example - I don't like doing dungeons, so I've done follower missions. I've skipped a few daily Apexis crystals because I didn't like the particular area.

You see - CHOICE.

If you insist on doing EVERYTHING just because there is more CHOICE, that is a fault with you - not the game.

[Tzalix]

I'm enjoying it immensely. I expect a game like WoW to have daily wizard chores, and the refilling of work orders and taking part in an invasion and sometimes even defending against one, has the old daily quests beaten by miles in my book.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

[Nicolicious]

I have hated the thing since day one. I really dont like the idéa of having to do shit every second of the day. I have a lot of free time, but it just feels like a job.

[nocendi]

It's always strong to start with calling everyone who disagrees idiots. That really solidifies your argument.

[announced]

the mine can get a bit annoying ill give u that, but the rest of a garrison isnt bad. once ur lvl 3 u can have 21 work orders. ( at 1 completed every 3 hours u could check it every 2 days and still be fine)

proffs once a day arent a big deal either.

[Nythiz]

What would you actually lose from just "semi-ignoring" your garrison though?

The mine is completely pointless as you probably have an excess of ore anyway. Just ignore it. You probably have a ton of Draenic Stones already, just fillin the work orders and empty the basket for a couple of days/weeks.
Same goes goes for the herb garden (although it's much less of a drag IMO)

Work order building can easily be ignored as well for several days. (Especially since with 21 work orders you theoretically only have to visit it twice a week. And even then, big whoop if you miss that you probably got tons of whatever that building provides you already. See it as skipping dailies in MoP for a day, not a big deal).

Missions really are in the same boat. What's really the harm in skipping them for a day? Is your character really going to fall behind so massively that the game becomes unplayable?

I had the exact same issue as you, but you gotta let go of the thought that you HAVE to do your garrison.
It's even worse if you have alts. I stopped doing the garrison on my alts altogether as there was really no point and it would just have driven me mad.

I see the garrison as a daily quest hub now. If I'm in the mood I do it (prioritizing missions) and if i can't be assed, then I can't be assed and guess what: The world didn't end.

NOTE: I do actually think the garrison is a great idea. I just don't like repetitive grinds and it's slowly becoming one. So I limited it to doing it on my main and i'm just skipping the mine altogether now.

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The same goes for CMs and Apexis dailies really. Now that raids are out, they lost quite a bit of value. There is no pressure in skipping them once or twice.

[Deathquoi]

Dont like to wait?
Would you like to buy these 500 Platinum Resources for only 5.99 from the WoW Store?

People have been saying this shit since like 2009. Guess what, it still hasn't happened yet! I mean, if you're going to come up with conspiracy theories, as least bring one that's grounded in fact.

[Incarnia]

I'm a bit bored with it as well, and have made the decision to not prioritize it a lot (but ofc that choice makes me fall behind)... At the same time I am utterly happy I am not progress raiding on a competitive level anymore, I've heard people voice they are being stressed out over Garrison duties.
Knowing myself I know Garrison would contribute to burn me out way before the current Tier is on farm (which is a period many uses for recuperate and renew), progress raiding is fun but it can also be very intense and draining - people do get burnt out eventually, hopefully they won't for a couple of tiers, and sadly I believe the current status of Garrison will increase the rate people hit that wall.

[smokii]

Still you can't just leave it alone and check in once a day or you will miss out on 75% of your mission quota.

yes you can

only a small amount of missions per day are actually worth doing, mostly the rare ones that reward gold, apexis crystals or gear.

the rest give XP for levelling followers, which you wont really need to do once you've got enough to complete the rare missions. WoD has been out what, 2 weeks? i've got 20 level 100 followers and have levelled some from green to blue and others from blue to epic. it's not like it takes that long or that much commitment.

profession buildings only require you to visit them once every other day to submit and collect your work orders. you can still go out and farm profession mats, in fact you have to, to be able to commit work orders in the first place. but oh no, i can't craft with those raw mats. well thats blizzards game design, professions were always kinda shitty except for the epic gear that was soon replaced by raid gear anyways.

if you think of it in terms of the entire expansion, you need only check your garrison once or twice a week - by the end of the expansion, you'll have everything unlocked and maxed out.

i smell entitlement and the desire for instant gratification. yes, garrisons gate profession rewards, but the core gear progression of questing > normals > heroics > raiding is still there and hasn't really changed.

you're just wound up because you feel compelled to do this stuff, even though it's entirely unneccesary. if you dont want to do it, dont do it. but you can make it easier on yourself by logging out at your garrison when you go to bed, after submitting all your work orders/followers, then collecting the goods the next evening and setting them off again.

i dont quite understand how you feel it's mandatory once you hit max level or what super duper bonuses you'll be missing out on - if you're a mythic raider, yea i guess you probably feel pressure to get everything min/maxed which forces you to do the garrisons and have them completed ASAP - but that was never the design intention behind them.

In WoD, almost every venue of character advancement is now gated behind artificial time limitations.

because people burn through all the content as fast as they can and then whine there is nothing to do. putting it behind a timed gate forces you to either step back and gain some perspective, or whine on forums about it. it's better than sticking it behind reputation grinds.

[ThePants999]

Still you can't just leave it alone and check in once a day

Sucks to be those of us with a job, then, who can only do exactly that. And yet, I'm getting by...

[rda]

I agree completely, especially with this:

The worst part is the mine.

I will not clear it anymore, it's just annoying. Why do you have 20 miners working in there if you have to go in and mine yourself.

I think the very least they can do is make the workers auto-mine all ore and put it into boxes a-la work orders. It takes way too long to pick the nodes to be worth it, the gold per hour is like 1200 even at 0.8g per ore and counting the stones - which is pretty abysmal.

In general, garrisons are a big chore. They heavily promote alts, and when you have alts, you quickly run into the issue of garrisons eating significant time, daily (we are talking about 1.5+ hours for 6-7 alts at the very least). And for what? For making an item a day on average??? The only reason items make money is because everyone is limited similarly, your single item is going to net something (not a lot, but something) because there are few items overall. I am not sure where's the fun in this...

[GhostlyBG]

Well, I am at work most of the day, which means I am unable to spam follower missions all day long, I still, however, have 5 followers at ilevel 645+, 5 at ilevel 630+ and a bunch of them at ilevel 615. I've got a couple of 645 pieces off of that. Besides I rarely spend time in the garrison, I'm usually somewhere out there doing other stuff/dungeons/CMs. It really isn't as bad as you make it sound....

[rda]

Well, I am at work most of the day, which means I am unable to spam follower missions all day long, I still, however, have 5 followers at ilevel 645+, 5 at ilevel 630+ and a bunch of them at ilevel 615. I've got a couple of 645 pieces off of that. Besides I rarely spend time in the garrison, I'm usually somewhere out there doing other stuff/dungeons/CMs. It really isn't as bad as you make it sound....

I think that's because you are doing it on one char.

[huth]

And before idiots invade, no, garrisons are not just something you can choose not to do, any more than you can choose not to enchant your items or put gems in your sockets. In a game that's all about improving your character, one of the main methods of doing so cannot reasonably be considered optional. Half of WoW's character advancement is tied to the garrison.

The garrison can provide me a single raid mission per week as advancement after my first two raid nights. That's not "half" by a long shot.

[Revak]

I really do think I'd love garrisons if they didn't have professions tied into them. But b/c of that, I hate them. It feels like a required chore randomly throughout the day that I have to do before I can play the game. I would prefer it be for the fun things (like stables and mounts, dwarven bunker and transmog, etc.). But making them mandatory for my professions stinks.

Plus, I thought no flying was supposed to make the world more immersive. Instead, most people just sit in their garrisons unless they are questing or at "The Pit".

On top of that, having to do them on alts makes it even worse. I know some of the achievements are account wide but still. One you have unlocked something, that building and levels should be free for alts to put up if they want instead of grinding it all out again and then doing your chores.


The randomness also aggravates me. My main and my alt (both 100) rarely get anything good on their follower missions. They almost NEVER get quests for upgrading follower gear and I've had 4 followers over 630 ilvl for 10 days now and have yet to see a 645 item quest. Meanwhile 3 or 4 people in my guild (who haven't done nearly as much as me in game) have 2-3 epics each for raiding already that they got from follower missions. I've also got a level 91 shaman who I leveled just enough to open up her garrison and she is sitting on multiple Seal of Tempered Fates as well as a BUNCH of weapon/item upgrades for followers. Neither of which I'm getting for my level 100's.

I've yet to see a garrison invasion on my main as well. My alt 100 has gotten 1, but that's it.

So what I feel could really be a lot of fun is actually just frustrating me currently.

[Beartastic]

Character progression tied solely to your garrison? Have you tried... talking to people with actual profs? Pretty sure they can make you things if they have the mats....