Republican Presidential Viewing Thread. *Singing children not included

[NYC17]

It isn't a narrative, it is a fact. She advocates for helping and listening to rape victims and yet her husband has allegedly created some. So if it isn't "shared" by these people they are just downright lying to themselves that the woman is a complete liar and probably a sociopath.

Now on the other hand, her opponents being a joke is a narrative that is not shared by people outside your bubble.

Look at what you wrote...she advocates for this thing, and her husband ALLEGEDLY created some. You take an allegation as fact and can't comprehend why objective minded people don't go along on your ride down the bullshit highway.

This is going to be an extremely unpleasant election for you.

[Deletedaccount1]

Look at what you wrote...she advocates for this thing, and her husband ALLEGEDLY created some. You take an allegation as fact and can't comprehend why objective minded people don't go along on hour ride down the bullshit highway.

This is going to be an extremely unpleasant election for you.

Okay dude, she has said on numerous occasions that victims need to be heard whether or not their allegations are proven true or not.

Bill paid off Paula Jones $850,000 in a settlement to shut her up which is a HUGE amount of money to pay off in a rape case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_C...ct_allegations

Saying that Bill Clinton's history is not worth taking into consideration when voting for a Clinton is like saying that "objective minded people" should turn a blind eye to the Cosby cases. The man is a degenerate, a liar and a creep. He lied under oath and his wife is now lucky enough to have no candidate on her side of the fence going after her about it.

You are right. If Bill Clinton becomes the First Gentleman of the United States, this is going to be a very unpleasant election for me.

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And the argument that Democrats play politics more fair and look at the issues instead of playing dirty is just fucking nonsense.

Obama got re-elected on the fact that he demonized Romney while Romney failed to do the same to him.

[alexw]

So what your sayings, is instead of conservatives being conservatives, they need to become watered down, diet liberals?

I don't see how that will get them any wins.

No. They need to be conservative but less hard-line conservative. Like it or not the country is slowly shifting left. The republicans need to move slowly with that trend. They will still be to the right of democrats but not so much that they completely alienate the moderates. Right now what they are doing is moving further right as the majority are slowly moving left which leads nowhere but to an electoral dead-end.

And yes it will probably take an election cycle of moderation before moderates trust them enough to start to vote republican. But what would you rather have? One party democrat rule for decades or a moderate republican party that you may not completely agree with but is certainly more in line with you than the democrats would be during their decades of one party rule?

[jakeic]

And the argument that Democrats play politics more fair and look at the issues instead of playing dirty is just fucking nonsense.

Obama got re-elected on the fact that he demonized Romney while Romney failed to do the same to him.

Even now I question obama's legitimacy as president, I mean it is one thing to be a Muslim, but also a foreigner, that's a bridge to far. It seems our worst fears were realized as the USA has been turned into a socialist paradise, what many are now calling little Europe.

And to think, Romney had to suffer the indignity of being demonized, how dare someone call him a rich, old, white man.

[Deletedaccount1]

Even now I question obama's legitimacy as president, I mean it is one thing to be a Muslim, but also a foreigner, that's a bridge to far. It seems our worst fears were realized as the USA has been turned into a socialist paradise, what many are now calling little Europe.

And to think, Romney had to suffer the indignity of being demonized, how dare someone call him a rich, old, white man.

Romney never made those arguments and that is not what I was implying. Talk about a fucking straw man.

Obama used the same bits over and over to put Romney down like the thing about him firing the Bain Capital employee that resulted in their spouse dying of cancer from not having any money to pay for the treatment.

[alexw]

He is anti-conservative and wants them to play by his rules.

No, I'd like them to join the rest of in reality. The data and trends are clear. And no the reason you are losing is not because you are not conservative enough.

[BuckSparkles]

No, I'd like them to join the rest of in reality. The data and trends are clear. And no the reason you are losing is not because you are not conservative enough.

Motherjones...might as well post a fox chart to a lefty.

But I have always been confused that jews are more dem than republican, when the left wants israel to be wiped off the face off the planet...

[jakeic]

Romney never made those arguments and that is not what I was implying. Talk about a fucking straw man.

Obama used the same bits over and over to put Romney down like the thing about him firing the Bain Capital employee that resulted in their spouse dying of cancer from not having any money to pay for the treatment.

And you think that anecdote prevented the American public from embracing conservatism in the last presidential election?

[Deletedaccount1]

Motherjones...might as well post a fox chart to a lefty.

But I have always been confused that jews are more dem than republican, when the left wants israel to be wiped off the face off the planet...

The religion of most Jews is secular leftism.

Orthodox Jews overwhelmingly vote Republican.

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And you think that anecdote prevented the American public from embracing conservatism in the last presidential election?

Partly, it was a close election. It certainly didn't help Romney that he was being demonized repeatedly by the opposition while he himself never attacked Obama on anything besides policy.

[Lenonis]

So what your sayings, is instead of conservatives being conservatives, they need to become watered down, diet liberals?

I don't see how that will get them any wins.

The reality the GOP needs to get used to is that their tendency to be the "anti" party is only going to work in selective areas. As their target demographic needs to shrink they need to retune to align to the demographics needed to be a party in power.

Being against gay marriage is no longer a winning stance. In fact it can cost you votes. The GOP needs to drop it and never mention it again. It's a done issue and support for it is just going to continue to grow. Some sort of counter culture revolution that will result in overwhelming support for re-banning gay marriage is a social conservative wet dream and nothing more.

However being anti-terrorism, anti-immegration, and (at least to some extent) anti-abortion still has play.

So yes. In some senses conservatives need to stop being conservative. Because when the majority of the country isn't conservative on an issue anymore it's not going to be a winning stance. That's the harsh reality of politics.

[alexw]

Motherjones...might as well post a fox chart to a lefty.

But I have always been confused that jews are more dem than republican, when the left wants israel to be wiped off the face off the planet...

That graphic was released by reuters. It was just re-posted on motherjones. And I see you are unwilling to acknowledge the truth that it shows.

[satimy]

Should we have regulations that protect the environment? Even at the expense of jobs?

Yes to prevent neighborhood effects

[NineSpine]

Okay dude, she has said on numerous occasions that victims need to be heard whether or not their allegations are proven true or not.

Bill paid off Paula Jones $850,000 in a settlement to shut her up which is a HUGE amount of money to pay off in a rape case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_C...ct_allegations

Saying that Bill Clinton's history is not worth taking into consideration when voting for a Clinton is like saying that "objective minded people" should turn a blind eye to the Cosby cases. The man is a degenerate, a liar and a creep. He lied under oath and his wife is now lucky enough to have no candidate on her side of the fence going after her about it.

You are right. If Bill Clinton becomes the First Gentleman of the United States, this is going to be a very unpleasant election for me.

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And the argument that Democrats play politics more fair and look at the issues instead of playing dirty is just fucking nonsense.

Obama got re-elected on the fact that he demonized Romney while Romney failed to do the same to him.

Rounding up sexual harassment to rape is only exposing how weak your argument is.

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Partly, it was a close election. It certainly didn't help Romney that he was being demonized repeatedly by the opposition while he himself never attacked Obama on anything besides policy.

Sure he did buddy, sure he did.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/romney-jokes-about-his-birth-certificate-obama-campaign-accuses-him-of-embracing-birtherism/2012/08/24/bda35810-ee14-11e1-b0eb-dac6b50187ad_story.html

[Deletedaccount1]

Rounding up sexual harassment to rape is only exposing how weak your argument is.

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Sure he did buddy, sure he did.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...7ad_story.html

What are you even saying? Juanita Broaddrick alleged that Clinton raped her, Jones said that she was pressured by force to have sex with him until he backed off, Willey alleged that he groped her, Hamzy alleged that she was pressured with force to have sex with him.

What is that article suppose to mean? Romney's ads and debate tactics never revolved around anything personal on Obama while Obama repeatedly attacked Romney on the Bain controversy, the binder statement and numerous other things that Romney said behind closed doors.

[alexw]

The reality the GOP needs to get used to is that their tendency to be the "anti" party is only going to work in selective areas. As their target demographic needs to shrink they need to retune to align to the demographics needed to be a party in power.

Being against gay marriage is no longer a winning stance. In fact it can cost you votes. The GOP needs to drop it and never mention it again. It's a done issue and support for it is just going to continue to grow. Some sort of counter culture revolution that will result in overwhelming support for re-banning gay marriage is a social conservative wet dream and nothing more.

However being anti-terrorism, anti-immegration, and (at least to some extent) anti-abortion still has play.

So yes. In some senses conservatives need to stop being conservative. Because when the majority of the country isn't conservative on an issue anymore it's not going to be a winning stance. That's the harsh reality of politics.

The GOP's black and white stance on immigration is also a sure fire vote loser. ~70% of Americans believe illegal immigrants should have a pathway to staying in the country legally. ~2/3 think immigration is a good thing for the country. Like on practically everything else they need to moderate their stance, so choose some sort of in-between stance instead of being so virulently anti-immigrant (same with abortion really). Even on terrorism they are so far gone in fear mongering that it will not win them more votes (though perhaps not cost them any).

[satimy]

No, I'd like them to join the rest of in reality. The data and trends are clear. And no the reason you are losing is not because you are not conservative enough.

Once the illegals get removed we will be back to normalcy

[BuckSparkles]

The GOP's black and white stance on immigration is also a sure fire vote loser. ~70% of Americans believe illegal immigrants should have a pathway to staying in the country legally. ~2/3 think immigration is a good thing for the country. Like on practically everything else they need to moderate their stance, so choose some sort of in-between stance instead of being so virulently anti-immigrant (same with abortion really). Even on terrorism they are so far gone in fear mongering that it will not win them more votes (though perhaps not cost them any).

LEGAL Immigrants are a good thing. Illegal are not.

What's the point of even having borders if people can just walk over? Can Americans just walk into Mexico and instantly be a citizen?

[Deletedaccount1]

The GOP's black and white stance on immigration is also a sure fire vote loser.

This is already wrong, the party is split on that issue.

[alexw]

Once the illegals get removed we will be back to normalcy

Except 70% of Americans want them to have a path to citizenship, and outside of the delusional republican demographic everyone recognizes that illegals cannot vote so deporting them would have no effect even if it were possible to deport 12 million people.

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LEGAL Immigrants are a good thing. Illegal are not.

What's the point of even having borders if people can just walk over? Can Americans just walk into Mexico and instantly be a citizen?

As I have said 70% of Americans think that they should have a path to staying legally. Statements such as yours don't change that fact.

[Matchles]

Well the epa has done s lot more than the clean water act so........

We can stop pretending they are fine with our water laws. http://thehill.com/policy/energy-env...mas-water-rule