Why do people gem main-stat on timewalking twink gear and not secondaries?

[Deleted]

It's been pretty consistent since mop that secondaries are generally worth .75-.80ish of an intellect point.

So why do people use +10 primary stat gems and not +20 secondaries?

>b-b-but level 70, scaling!

Every ability/talent has the same coefficients and stuff even at 70, 80 and 85.

[WarcraftMages]

Are you sure that percentage you cited applies to all classes? I've even heard some lately that have secondaries above 1x primary. Though I heard it from the roles that can't simulate easily so I take it with a grain of salt.

[Dreyen]

agi is like thrice as good as any other stat for guardian dps, i figure they aren't the only one.

[Djriff]

I know as shadow you want to gem straight int as it's a huge DPS increase. Can't really speak for other classes. There's other stuff too like the cata legendary staff being insane for TW, the sha touched weapons being insane since you can socket a 500 int gem into it that scales ridiculously well. SoO 4pc for shadow is also insane for TW stuff. I've seen some priests pulling 30k+ DPS in BC TW which is just ridiculous.

[Kretan]

I know as shadow you want to gem straight int as it's a huge DPS increase. Can't really speak for other classes. There's other stuff too like the cata legendary staff being insane for TW, the sha touched weapons being insane since you can socket a 500 int gem into it that scales ridiculously well. SoO 4pc for shadow is also insane for TW stuff. I've seen some priests pulling 30k+ DPS in BC TW which is just ridiculous.

Is there that big of a dif between Cata and BC?? I was able to assemble my set in time for the cata timewalking. I have a BiS spriest set with like 25-27 gems (all but one socket red to get every bonus), 4 piece soo, legendary staff, full mop legendaries, sethe trinket, orb of void sight, ghost iron dragonling, and every piece possible is haste mastery (basically perfect BiS) and I can only pull about 12k boss dps.

Do you remember what they were doing in terms of gems and secondary stat priority?

[Djriff]

Here you go.

[Kretan]

Here you go.

Yeah I've been in that thread on the next page haha. Only way 30k dps is possible as shadow is a huge trash pull with AOE because you can't really get any better of a set than I already have without stupid amounts of wod gem proc gear with haste > mastery secondary. Spriest in wod can't break the realm of 12k dps on single target without crazy crit rng or something.

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And to answer the OP, I think it is because of how secondaries scale with lower ilvl compared to main stat. I mean I gem all int, but I still have like 45% haste.

[Djriff]

Well most people that don't bother with gearing for TW pull around 3-4k DPS, so 12k is a lot in comparison.

[Kretan]

Well most people that don't bother with gearing for TW pull around 3-4k DPS, so 12k is a lot in comparison.

Oh yeah of course. I just was like oh my god 30k?! I need to find out how lol. Shadow priest dps single target is really high in TW, but AOE is disappointing. Not shocking in the least lol.

[Djriff]

Well AoE definitely isn't our strong suit and using cascade in a dungeon is always a dangerous endeavor. At least we have fade and can blame the hunter :P

[l33t]

Well AoE definitely isn't our strong suit and using cascade in a dungeon is always a dangerous endeavor. At least we have fade and can blame the hunter :P

Unlike the hunters' barrage, cascade shoots only mobs that are already in combat with you, AFAIR. So, for your cascade to pull another pack of trash, that exact pack of trash has to be aggroed by someone in your group first....

Also, I never even bother with aoe in tw, just nuke single target and cascade on cd. Always had better results doing that, since SP's aoe is pretty much nonexistent, cascade aside.

[Deleted]

I know as shadow you want to gem straight int as it's a huge DPS increase. Can't really speak for other classes. There's other stuff too like the cata legendary staff being insane for TW, the sha touched weapons being insane since you can socket a 500 int gem into it that scales ridiculously well. SoO 4pc for shadow is also insane for TW stuff. I've seen some priests pulling 30k+ DPS in BC TW which is just ridiculous.

hmm, I was intending to use my dragon soul 2-set (+55% deaths).

The idea was that I would just go 100% crit/haste and ignore mastery to do tons of mind sear damage combined with sethe + cunning of the cruel(alchemy stone if cunning really is f'd up by scaling and never procs).

Bosses took maybe 5% of the time so I never bothered preparing for them, esp if some guy has the boa tentacles for single target.

[Roxtar]

It's about stat weightings... I believe it was before MoP you can gem primary stats as well as secondary - so a lot of classes just gemmed pure str/agi/int

[Deleted]

Because there isnt Multistrike gems
Atleast from hunter point i playing MM with 4tr18 but its pointless to socket crit when i`m already on 60% crit.Mastery also is pointless there is alot of movement there to keep it up so i only can equip MS and agility gems

[Gandrake]

bc its what was in my gear at the time and i don't care enough to change it

[Deleted]

Unlike the hunters' barrage, cascade shoots only mobs that are already in combat with you, AFAIR. So, for your cascade to pull another pack of trash, that exact pack of trash has to be aggroed by someone in your group first....

I dont play shadow often but pretty sure i pulled with cascade before on mobs who definitely weren´t in combat with me or anyone else.

[muto]

Class dependent. With Warlocks you go for +5 +10 int mastery, or +20 mastery, but for agility users I think +10 agility is better.

[Overdispersion]

Unlike the hunters' barrage, cascade shoots only mobs that are already in combat with you, AFAIR. So, for your cascade to pull another pack of trash, that exact pack of trash has to be aggroed by someone in your group first....

Also, I never even bother with aoe in tw, just nuke single target and cascade on cd. Always had better results doing that, since SP's aoe is pretty much nonexistent, cascade aside.

Don't use cascade in the SH gauntlet.

[Themanintobuildafire]

I use 10 agil on my hunter. I am pretty sure my hunter is BiS...I usually do 60-70% of the damage in the random runs I do...yes I out dps mythic geared people all the time.

The scaling in BC is absolutely crazy. I haven't had time to run it yet, but since last time to this time I now have the BM trinket, so I should be able to avg 10k-12k per run. That's awesome when you see most people are doing 2-4k on dps.

[Deleted]

my fully twinked spriest is losing to any regular 100 geared hunter, kek.