So how are your games going lately? [megathread]

[Mattrik]

Speaking of the "Meta," what the hell is that even considered anymore? I've been sitting 2400-2500 for a few weeks now (I'm content with that), but it seems like most games are 33/33/33 splits. I've seen 2/2/2, 1/4/1, and 1/3/2 roughly an equal amount of times lately that I'm not even sure if a true Meta exists right now. The games I'm in don't even seem to have a balance issue with it, just who can counter the other team better. We started 2/2/2, lost round 1 to a 1/4/1, so we swapped to 1/3/2, won 1, just to have the enemy team to 2/3/1, lose that one, we go back to 2/2/2, win 1, and then lost the 5th round as 1/3/2 vs 2/3/1. That was just 1 game, and Ive had multiple like that lately. Meta seems a little off to say it still exists.

I agree on this; I'm at the same SR and the compositions I see are all over the place. My preference is for 2-2-2 but a single healer or single tank can work. I don't really like 1-4-1 that much. I'm not precious about this but if we're not working, something should change, don't just beat our heads against a wall being countered.

I see a lot of Mercy solo healing, with mixed results. If I end up filling healer I seem to end up solo healer quite often (because I usually start on tank, so if I'm switching off tank we're probably 4 dps) and I just can't solo heal with anyone else.
I see a lot of solo tanking, and if I end up being the solo tank I often feel like I have to run Rein; I'm actually getting better with him as a result.
Despite the focus being on the tank count or healer count, actually it's the dps who are the most relevant. If they're not getting kills we aren't going anywhere useful. Quite tired of instalock dps players who are then ineffective at dps or are one-trick and get countered.

My preferred rules are:
2 tanks for payload push, 1 is too easy to get focused and taken out and then you're trying to hold an area with less robust heroes.
When facing dedicated harassers who are doing a good job of it (Genji/Tracer particularly, and sometimes Sombra) need 2 heals or a properly protective tank or Mei.
If it's working, it's working, I don't care if that means offensive Sym/Widow or Mei icicles are the only counter for but are slaughtering Pharah or our tanks and dps are ignoring harassers but Zenyatta is pro headshotting the enemy Tracer when she tries.

Dedicated counters:
I'll D.Va if they have a Reaper and even then needs dps to actually focus him when he's locked down.
Soldier, McCree or the less preferred Widow/Bastion if they have a Pharah, and I'd prefer to be D.Va to matrix rockets and boost harass her. Winston can be enough if we have good hitscan, his bubble covers them while they pick her off.
If their D.Va is being a solid anchor and it's why we're not doing so well, I'll switch Zarya

[Jessicka]

The Meta, as I see it and what I've tended towards encouraging would be 2-2-2 generally, but rather than seeing Tanks, Defence, Offence, Support; it's just easier to go Tanks, DPS, Healers. It removes any real ambiguity that some seem to have towards Symmetra, Sombra, and Roadhog because they are easier to just label as DPS. While I encourage 2-2-2 like this, I'm okay with dropping a tank for a third DPS and often that third DPS will be the supporty/hybrid type (and means you just don't solo tank with Hog). I'm not generally comfortable dropping a healer, it's too easy for them to get focused and leave you with no healing; you can get away with it sometimes with a very good, slippery Mercy, but I'm not that Mercy and I wouldn't want to put that on anyone else. I feel like it's what works best, and most reliably.

On to Summer Games. This Widow skin. I don't think I'm going back to Odette any time soon, and that's saying something. I now have everything for her. Next job is to load out Sombra and D.Va. I bought Officer D.Va skin a couple of days ago as I'd had some good matches and was in a good mood; I now see the cues on the Mech taken from ED209, I appreciate it even more. I'm also going to spam "I'm #1" now so much. Got her Summer Games skin last year so it's one less to worry about. Want the old American McCree skin, and his new one, but I can wait on those, mostly as I don't play him at all but sometimes he's on the menu screen; like the Mercy one as well, and the Pharah highlight's cool too. Rest, I can take or leave I think, no immediate urgency to buy loot boxes.

As for Doomfist. What I find is that he's hard to take down before he's done critical damage to your team. He does a lot of damage, he's disruptive, and while he's knocking you about he's bouncing around himself which makes it harder to pin him down. Once you get on top of him, sure, he dies pretty easily; he just has a great kit for making things difficult and doing a lot of damage while he's doing it. Kind of like perpetual Winston ult, but with damage rather than resilience.

[Eapoe]

I sincerely hope they give him more time and allow people to get used to him before they make too many changes. His whole shtick is his ability use (vs. shooting like the other heroes). I could see maybe 5sec cd, but anything more is going to throw off his whole toolkit.

Part of the issue is the whole stun aspect. The fist charge is a little too strong right now and can 1 Shot some people, while also being able to aim AND move with it. The knockup also has issues, as I've used it and been on the opposite side, and they stay in his LoS the full time while my camera tends to move around afterwards, making return fire a little difficult.
The other issue I have problems with is his shielding. I'm not entirely sure how he gets it, if it's just the charge attack or what, but I've seen kill cams before with good DF players having almost 400 total effective health...almost as much as Zarya as a tank. With well timed ability usage, he has a crap ton of survivability to stay close to the front lines and no the have to run away as much as Tracer or Genji.

[DeadmanWalking]

Messed around with Doomfist again today (after watching some streamers use him to great effect), and I've come to the realization that without a solid team and coordination, he's going to be an easy kill for the enemy team.

Also; Widow skin is best skin.

Meh, it was rediculous to cover her butt. I mean if your really want to look at butts you can just look at her skin tight butt in any other skin, broken spine and all.

[Mattrik]

I'm not entirely sure how he gets it, if it's just the charge attack or what, but I've seen kill cams before with good DF players having almost 400 total effective health...

Rocket Punch, Seismic Slam, and Rising Uppercut cause you to gain shield at a rate of 30HP per enemy hit
Meteor Strike is 75HP per enemy hit.

Shield caps at 150, and starts fading at -3/s after 1s, so at max he does have 400 health.

[anon5123]

Well. Official forum mods are certainly going apeshit for the new patch release. Got a week ban for saying "shit", even though it got auto-censored like normal. Even stranger still is that the mod banned me literally 2 minutes after my post. Wew.

Other than that...Zarya/Winston still horrendously OP in Mayhem, and now Doomfist as well with his infinite movement abilities and ridiculous damage and ridiculous self-shields.

[WskyDK]

Meh, it was rediculous to cover her butt. I mean if your really want to look at butts you can just look at her skin tight butt in any other skin, broken spine and all.

Not even trying to look at her butt (as stated, I've got other skins for that), I dig the chill style and the rifle skin.

[Freighter]

Wow, some people have serious issues when you pick widow. I picked widow on king's row and someone switches to winston to just constantly keep getting in front of me, telling me to switch or he will keep blocking my sight. We lost.

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Well. Official forum mods are certainly going apeshit for the new patch release. Got a week ban for saying "shit", even though it got auto-censored like normal. Even stranger still is that the mod banned me literally 2 minutes after my post. Wew.

Other than that...Zarya/Winston still horrendously OP in Mayhem, and now Doomfist as well with his infinite movement abilities and ridiculous damage and ridiculous self-shields.

I was banned a few times for saying shit and fuck on the forums and then I said their matchmaking system is seemingly shit and was permabanned.

[Jessicka]

Meh, it was rediculous to cover her butt. I mean if your really want to look at butts you can just look at her skin tight butt in any other skin, broken spine and all.

Did you notice she's also wearing a little matching shrug top with her sarong? It's pretty standard beachwear, that kind of avoids getting changed for the journey. And like I said in the other thread, she looks really classy in it. This is the skin that deserved that hype the Talon one got. The rifle for it also looks amazing in gold.

[Freighter]

Hmm, is there any way to remove the tags above teammates heads and the payload?

[Endus]

Other than that...Zarya/Winston still horrendously OP in Mayhem, and now Doomfist as well with his infinite movement abilities and ridiculous damage and ridiculous self-shields.

And? Mayhem is meant to be ridiculous and unbalanced.

[Orby]

Haven't won a single quick play match in like nearly a week now. I know it's only quick play but I dont play ranked because you need friends to play that with, my friends don't play Overwatch, and I'll be damned if I have the patience to play with people I dont know and actually communicate with them. I do enough of that in my job lol

I just want a quickplay that blends some form of actual playing

Getting pissed off with all this "it's just QP" excuses. Maybe it's just quick play for them, but for me this is all I got

Good news though, I have won like 80% of my Lucio ball games, think I would rather play that from now on and maybe Arcade. Because at leas thats fun. lol

[Endus]

Haven't won a single quick play match in like nearly a week now. I know it's only quick play but I dont play ranked because you need friends to play that with, my friends don't play Overwatch, and I'll be damned if I have the patience to play with people I dont know and actually communicate with them. I do enough of that in my job lol

I just want a quickplay that blends some form of actual playing

Getting pissed off with all this "it's just QP" excuses. Maybe it's just quick play for them, but for me this is all I got

Good news though, I have won like 80% of my Lucio ball games, think I would rather play that from now on and maybe Arcade. Because at leas thats fun. lol

You don't need friends to play Comp with. I've been solo queuing Comp from the beginning. I had a grand total of two matches with a group this season, and that was solely from a "stay with this team" pick after a really good round where we got along.

If you want a version of Quickplay where people take it seriously and actually try, that already exists. It's called "Competitive".

[Orby]

You don't need friends to play Comp with. I've been solo queuing Comp from the beginning. I had a grand total of two matches with a group this season, and that was solely from a "stay with this team" pick after a really good round where we got along.

If you want a version of Quickplay where people take it seriously and actually try, that already exists. It's called "Competitive".

Thanks

But I have horrible social anxiety it's not so much it's GOT to be played with friends but I would RATHER play with friends. First time I played comp I got so much aggro, I mean I was like well I aint coming here again (this was season 1) lol.

I am not so much about 'seriousness' but more willing to actually play. It's very weird to describe :P

[Deleted]

Played four games today, won three, lost one (which was really close, 2-2, 99/99 Control point). People were friendly and worked together in all but the last game on Eichenwalde where people started nagging at Zarya for her not using her ult. In her defence, our opponents were playing Sombra, Tracer, Doomfist, Widow, Ana, Dva, meaning none of them were ever near each other. In the others defence, he should have switched earlier.

We managed to push to the bridge before the second point, people started gibbering at each other claiming we had already lost and Zarya was throwing for picking Widow on defence. We somehow pulled it off (with a Torbjörn), didn't even give them a foot in the door until overtime when they managed to synchronize their ultimates and wipe us out. Seeming a bit more determined now people switched off Törbjörn and Widow and we managed to stall them right at the gate you open up, all the way to overtime, at which point our Sombra managed to land a beautiful EMP on their Zarya which we knew had ultimate ready, which completely disoriented them and from there we just had to clean up the mess.

All in all, 4144, new career high.

Best parts of the games were probably Soldier thanking me for the great healing and damage boosting, as well as our Winston telling me I did a good job and apologized for being toxic. ^^

[Jester Joe]

Did you notice she's also wearing a little matching shrug top with her sarong? It's pretty standard beachwear, that kind of avoids getting changed for the journey. And like I said in the other thread, she looks really classy in it. This is the skin that deserved that hype the Talon one got. The rifle for it also looks amazing in gold.

I still like the Talon one far better.

Also I got one of the two skins I need already, Grillmaster 76.
Now I just need the Mercy skin...and I'll be good to go.

But apparently I'm designated Goalie now for Lucioball when playing with my girlfriend...she hates the goal, and neither her nor the other person we play with can time the boop well enough it seems for defending, so...I'm stuck there.

[Eapoe]

So many people unwilling to switch characters. Getting so annoying. We push Hanamura in the 1st minute, have 7 minutes to get the 2nd point, enemy team goes triple tank and our damage dealers stay Genji and Reaper. I liked the Reaper, but sticking to Genji when they are running Rein/Zarya/Winston as tanks, Mercy/Ana as heals, and Reaper as their damage. Mentioned about 5 times we might want to go 3-4 damage to offset it, someone says good idea, I try swapping to damage off of Lucio just to get immediately yelled at by the team about throwing. I swap back, we never step foot on the point.
Game after that, we start 2/2/2, our damage is Junkrat and Reaper, enemy grabs a Pharah. Start getting held back and barely push. Ask the team nicely if we can get a hitscan, no one wants to swap. I switch from Ana to a 76, immediately get people talking about how we need a 2nd healer. Reaper swaps to Mei, complains that we don't have a 2nd healer.
I just, can't even right now.

[anon5123]

And? Mayhem is meant to be ridiculous and unbalanced.

"hudur it's supposd to be unbalanced!!!"

the point is that Winston and Zarya are far, FAR more "unbalanced" than any other character. Every game boils down to which team has the more skilled Winston/Zarya. They're almost impossible to kill with being able to spam shields on a very short cooldown. No other character comes anywhere close to the level of survivability these two have.

Blizz has already shown that they're willing to make balance changes to the mode, what with fixing Sombra's hack cooldown and such. A simple CD increase to shield CDs on Winston/Zarya would make it so that you don't have to have your entire fucking team focus them down.

[DeadmanWalking]

Thanks

But I have horrible social anxiety it's not so much it's GOT to be played with friends but I would RATHER play with friends. First time I played comp I got so much aggro, I mean I was like well I aint coming here again (this was season 1) lol.

I am not so much about 'seriousness' but more willing to actually play. It's very weird to describe :P

You can't expect everyone to take QM super seriously because you want them to, hell you are playing in that mode because comp is too serious for you, yes people get toxic in comp more than qm and there usually is a reason for that, not a good reason but as far as they are concerned the reason is good, they want to win or troll.

QM is where some people go just to have fun without people screaming about losing. Then you have players who want to practice characters they are not good at which they can't do without getting aggro in Competetive, but the thing to understand is that they are trying to win. When you practcie a character you are practicing ..... winning! Nobody practices a character to not win, the objective is to win so they are trying to learn how to win with that character. Yeah their lack of skill on that character may contribute to losing but they are trying to win.

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"hudur it's supposd to be unbalanced!!!"

the point is that Winston and Zarya are far, FAR more "unbalanced" than any other character. Every game boils down to which team has the more skilled Winston/Zarya. They're almost impossible to kill with being able to spam shields on a very short cooldown. No other character comes anywhere close to the level of survivability these two have.

Blizz has already shown that they're willing to make balance changes to the mode, what with fixing Sombra's hack cooldown and such. A simple CD increase to shield CDs on Winston/Zarya would make it so that you don't have to have your entire fucking team focus them down.

No it's not, every game is boiled down to 'Defenders win' 90% if the time, and frankly if you know which characters are most likely to win a mode then why are you not playing them? The point of the mode is to win 9 matches to get 3 loot boxes each week, then I go off and play comp mode or qm, so I play Zarya and if I que up on attack I leave match until I get a team on defence, then I kick a lot of ass and hold an ult for overtime at which point I fire the grav bomb away from the cart or point and suck attacking team off the objective for the win. Boom, 9 games=3 loot boxes.
I'm not wasting my time playing losing arcade matches.

[RobertoCarlos]

Do the summer game loot boxes have better chance for legendary skins or is it the only thing that is different about them is that they have the summer game skins in them potentially?