how are enh shamans doing in raids

[ntence]

thining about rolling a shaman. Heard their is a survivability issue. Any truth to that

[sebax313]

he is as good as any melee class. if u have space in your raid group it will not be a problem.

[Dadpool]

From personal experience, my ENH Sham out performs my outlaw rogue in steady DPS both single target and AOE. From a survivability standpoint, they do feel significantly more squishy when leveling, if you aren't using your cooldowns. You'll have one mitigation cooldown and a self heal, which is instant when used with Maelstrom, if talented, you'll also have an AOE stun totem, and your Hex spell. You'll have Spirit wolf to help try and get away but no aggro dump like hunters and Rogues, and no panic bubble like pallys.

TL;DR - Good damage, a little soft, but with tools to survive.

[Darleth]

We've had like 20 Posts on this already... please use the search function!

With that being said, Survivability is a "slight" issue. Our healing surge can heal for 1/5th of our HP when it crits and Astral Shift + the selfheal trait from Doomhammer are the only things that you can call survivability really.

Other than that, we are one of the best melee classes, with good Cleave, bad AoE and REALLY good Singletarget damage output. Even if we dont hit the RNG jackpot, we're still in a good spot DPS wise.
Some of those things may change with 7.1.5 though.

[Deleted]

Enhancement shamans are great. We are very well balanced, but only with a single set of talent choices at the moment. Once the changes on PTR hits, we should have some more options.

Survivability isn't an issue, no more than it is for other melee classes. We have a single personal cooldown, fairly strong heals, two movement speed abilities and a dash. So we have more than enough tools in our kit to survive, as long as we follow the fight mechanics.

As for damage, here is our latest Ursoc log: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...wtDj4a#fight=2

[JonBeMerkin]

Survivability isn't an issue, no more than it is for other melee classes. We have a single personal cooldown, fairly strong heals, two movement speed abilities and a dash. So we have more than enough tools in our kit to survive, as long as we follow the fight mechanics.

It is an issue stop saying it isn't and accept it. Compared to other melee classes our survivability is even worse then say ranged dps so i don't know what you are talking about. If you don't have AS then you are fucked and sitting there spamming instant healing surges on yourself is stupid.Really urks me when people just don't accept things instead of trying to mask it with some bullshit excuse for whatever reason maybe being a minority on opinions is coo or makes them feel smart by not agreeing..

[ehxy]

From personal experience, my ENH Sham out performs my outlaw rogue in steady DPS both single target and AOE. From a survivability standpoint, they do feel significantly more squishy when leveling, if you aren't using your cooldowns. You'll have one mitigation cooldown and a self heal, which is instant when used with Maelstrom, if talented, you'll also have an AOE stun totem, and your Hex spell. You'll have Spirit wolf to help try and get away but no aggro dump like hunters and Rogues, and no panic bubble like pallys.

TL;DR - Good damage, a little soft, but with tools to survive.

Your outlaw rogue sucks

[Ham on Rye]

Whenever I play my Enhancement shaman, the biggest thing I notice is how dependent my dps is on how many Stormbringer procs I get - and especially when Doom Winds is up.

[Deleted]

Enhancement shamans are great. We are very well balanced, but only with a single set of talent choices at the moment. Once the changes on PTR hits, we should have some more options.

Survivability isn't an issue, no more than it is for other melee classes. We have a single personal cooldown, fairly strong heals, two movement speed abilities and a dash. So we have more than enough tools in our kit to survive, as long as we follow the fight mechanics.

As for damage, here is our latest Ursoc log: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...wtDj4a#fight=2

10% ahead, "really well balanced".

Enhancement is not balanced single target. They need a slight nerf to brought inline.

[Kukirri]

10% ahead, "really well balanced".

Enhancement is not balanced single target. They need a slight nerf to brought inline.

Ursoc is the fight we perform the best on. It hardly justifies a nerf when you consider our performance across the board.

[ehxy]

10% ahead, "really well balanced".

Enhancement is not balanced single target. They need a slight nerf to brought inline.

Brought in line with what exactly? So we do just as much ST as the next guy who also outperforms in AoE where we underperform unless they are stacked in a cone in front of us aka cleave placement?

Yeah that makes sense.

not

You want to nerf the only thing we are good at while other classes are absolutely stellar at other very critical things that we are subpar at. Do you even shaman?

-fury warrior performs 1m sustained ST single target dps on last boss in eye of azshara OMG NERF
-fury warrior is absolutely insane AoE damage OMG NERF

No that's just what the warrior is good at, execution phases and multi target pulls, pulls that we just do not perform as well at.

How about this, you think before you speak at least two steps ahead in a discussion because since there isn't a simcraft for critical thinking yet you might want to try using your head. If we listened to you we'll end up just rerolling as monks who excel in all areas except ST and that's not by a huge margin either.

[Deleted]

Brought in line with what exactly? So we do just as much ST as the next guy who also outperforms in AoE where we underperform unless they are stacked in a cone in front of us aka cleave placement?

Yeah that makes sense.

not

You want to nerf the only thing we are good at while other classes are absolutely stellar at other very critical things that we are subpar at. Do you even shaman?

-fury warrior performs 1m sustained ST single target dps on last boss in eye of azshara OMG NERF
-fury warrior is absolutely insane AoE damage OMG NERF

No that's just what the warrior is good at, execution phases and multi target pulls, pulls that we just do not perform as well at.

How about this, you think before you speak at least two steps ahead in a discussion because since there isn't a simcraft for critical thinking yet you might want to try using your head. If we listened to you we'll end up just rerolling as monks who excel in all areas except ST and that's not by a huge margin either.

Shaman in my guild with double BiS legendary, 3 paragon points etc, regularly wins most fights by 50-100k dps over anyone else.

[ehxy]

Shaman in my guild with double BiS legendary, 3 paragon points etc, regularly wins most fights by 50-100k dps over anyone else.

Paragon points?

What the hell are you talking about? Also your guild is definitely in the running for best reflection of shamans performance because you're all the cream of the crop there isn't this website that displays a database of data of 100's to 1000's of how shamans are performing nope doesn't exist.

[Gunwolf]

Shaman in my guild with double BiS legendary, 3 paragon points etc, regularly wins most fights by 50-100k dps over anyone else.

Read what u just typed.... dude has BiS legendaries, full artifact plus the paragon points, and u are shocked he does high DPS? That is to be expected....I'm sure other classes can do similar stuff with the right gear. Enh is strong, but dunno if I would say OP just yet (plus its not like we usually top meters so why not hang out up top).

[Deleted]

Paragon points?

What the hell are you talking about? Also your guild is definitely in the running for best reflection of shamans performance because you're all the cream of the crop there isn't this website that displays a database of data of 100's to 1000's of how shamans are performing nope doesn't exist.

Point 35/36/37.

Yes and I think Enhance need a bit more AoE and a bit less ST.

I'm entitled to my opinion.

[ehxy]

Point 35/36/37.

Yes and I think Enhance need a bit more AoE and a bit less ST.

I'm entitled to my opinion.

You don't even play a shaman and you're coming here to tell us what we should be balanced as?

GTFO

[Deleted]

You don't even play a shaman and you're coming here to tell us what we should be balanced as?

GTFO

I'm actually in the process of rerolling my alt to Enh, because it's ridic in it's niche (ST). Don't be so aggressive, at no point have I said "NERF SHAMANS TO THE GROUND!!" (if you read my first post it said slight nerf).

Calm down. I am simply saying their ST needs a bit of tweaking and other aspects boosted to compensate.

[ehxy]

I'm actually in the process of rerolling my alt to Enh, because it's ridic in it's niche (ST). Don't be so aggressive, at no point have I said "NERF SHAMANS TO THE GROUND!!" (if you read my first post it said slight nerf).

Calm down. I am simply saying their ST needs a bit of tweaking and other aspects boosted to compensate.

I think when you actually have experience with a shaman at a level that sees content that is relevant I might actually think you have something worth while to say in regards to shaman balance. Until then, go back to sticking with your 'how my raid parses' instead of looking at what is actually happening on the global level.

[Deleted]

It is an issue stop saying it isn't and accept it. Compared to other melee classes our survivability is even worse then say ranged dps so i don't know what you are talking about. If you don't have AS then you are fucked and sitting there spamming instant healing surges on yourself is stupid.Really urks me when people just don't accept things instead of trying to mask it with some bullshit excuse for whatever reason maybe being a minority on opinions is coo or makes them feel smart by not agreeing..

How is my opinion invalid just because you have a different one? I am not seeing any glaring issues with our survivability. I am not advocating spamming HS over and over again, but a quick self heal for 20 MS can be the difference between life and death.

I consider everything in our kit part of our survivability. Need to get out of shit? Sprint, feral spirit or feral lunge will help you with that, thus taking less damage. Have you taken some damage, and are taking some more? Use Astral Shift for a free 30% heal and a 30% reduction on the damage coming in. Healers panicking and your health drops low? That's when you start healing yourself.

I have no idea what AS even have to do with this. If you can't do an instant Healing Surge, then you have exhausted all of your Maelstrom, and that should never happen unless you have everything under control (and in that case, you wont need to heal yourself). I will purposely never drop below 50 Maelstrom, so that I know that I can react to sudden damage and get myself back up in case I need it.

10% ahead, "really well balanced".

Enhancement is not balanced single target. They need a slight nerf to brought inline.

It's worth noting that at no point in that fight did I have to run away because I was focused by the charge. That means I only had to stop DPS when he charged a different target, but I never had to run away and not DPS at all - at any point in the fight. If I had been targeted, it's safe to assume that my damage would be brought in line with everybody else.

[Darleth]

10% ahead, "really well balanced".

Enhancement is not balanced single target. They need a slight nerf to brought inline.

Just that we are absolutely balanced ST-wise. If you really think that we are "overtuned", I'll refer to a lot of other classes that do better than us.
Our Damage is COMPLETELY proc based. Have fun with no procs during a fight and you'll see yourself in the lower middlefield.

Also, your Shaman got 2 BiS legendaries? Even with those BiS legendaries, it shouldn't be possible for him to be over 50 - 100k over anything else. Its just not. That sounds more like an L2P or LEGENDARY issue in your guild if anything.

Edit: also boss mechanics.