UK PM Theresa May to seek snap election.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7819001.html

"Nearly 60% of Leave voters would now pay to retain EU citizenship"

The survey and the study aren't made public yet so take it as you will.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7819001.html

"Nearly 60% of Leave voters would now pay to retain EU citizenship"

The survey and the study aren't made public yet so take it as you will.

Fools, still means 40% who would need to be paid to retain EU citizenship.

I see the first offers from some EU member countries are appearing whereby Estonia want an £80 fee to keep access to the single market, wonder if any one else will undercut them? Thought the whole idea of the EU was to be unified and speak with one voice. Oh well that didn't last long. http://www.howtostayin.eu/ and the obligatory express view http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/824...-single-market

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Fools, still means 40% who would need to be paid to retain EU citizenship.

I see the first offers from some EU member countries are appearing whereby Estonia want an £80 fee to keep access to the single market, wonder if any one else will undercut them? Thought the whole idea of the EU was to be unified and speak with one voice. Oh well that didn't last long. http://www.howtostayin.eu/ and the obligatory express view http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/824...-single-market

Well if you're happy with that, you can stop the negotiations anytime.

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Fools, still means 40% who would need to be paid to retain EU citizenship.

I see the first offers from some EU member countries are appearing whereby Estonia want an £80 fee to keep access to the single market, wonder if any one else will undercut them? Thought the whole idea of the EU was to be unified and speak with one voice. Oh well that didn't last long. http://www.howtostayin.eu/ and the obligatory express view http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/824...-single-market

Wait, what happened to "51% is the majority, don't care about the 49 percent"?

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Wait, what happened to "51% is the majority, don't care about the 49 percent"?

It's even less as the 60% was about leave votes, not about all voters... but as dribbles came up with something about companies as an answer to what people want i didn't care enough to point out the glaring holes of is argument.

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Wait, what happened to "51% is the majority, don't care about the 49 percent"?

It's even less as the 60% was about leave votes, not about all voters... but as dribbles came up with something about companies as an answer to what people want i didn't care enough to point out the glaring holes of is argument.

Actually 85% voted for hard Brexit parties in the election not long ago. Only the fringe minority extremists can find a good reason to stay in the EU these days, all the progressives have gone Brexit. Soon have to start on the campaign to close that damn tunnel to France.....won't be long, that's next

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Actually 85% voted for hard Brexit parties in the election not long ago. Only the fringe minority extremists can find a good reason to stay in the EU these days, all the progressives have gone Brexit. Soon have to start on the campaign to close that damn tunnel to France.....won't be long, that's next

Are you saying labour are for a hard brexit?

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Are you saying labour are for a hard brexit?

Corbyn is the biggest Brexiteer of all time, almost an open secret he voted leave in the referendum.

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Corbyn is the biggest Brexiteer of all time, almost an open secret he voted leave in the referendum.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politic...-keir-10717922
"'Hard Brexit is off the table': Labour's Keir Starmer vows to block Theresa May's plans"

It's almost as if Corbyn isn't running the show on its own.

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politic...-keir-10717922
"'Hard Brexit is off the table': Labour's Keir Starmer vows to block Theresa May's plans"

It's almost as if Corbyn isn't running the show on its own.

The reason Corbyn sacked half his front bench just a couple of days ago is because they wanted a soft brexit and he doesn't. Keir Starmer should be careful what he says, he might be next.

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The reason Corbyn sacked half his front bench just a couple of days ago is because they wanted a soft brexit and he doesn't. Keir Starmer should be careful what he says, he might be next.

No they wanted to stay in the single market, Keir Starmer is just saying that they want a deal, and won't accept no deal.

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No they wanted to stay in the single market, Keir Starmer is just saying that they want a deal, and won't accept no deal.

He is a cake and eat it guy and leads nothing, Corbyns position who does, is clear. I feel sorry for the cool kids who came out in droves to vote (many of them students who illegally voted twice) for Corbyn on the Labour lie that they were supporting remain. Corbyn has been anti EU for decades.

More worrying for the future of Labour is momentum, the real power base behind it now, they will split it catastrophically in two. I even see rumours of Blair making a comeback to lead the breakaway center left.

[Huehuecoyotl]

I feel sorry for the cool kids who came out in droves to vote (many of them students who illegally voted twice)

Care to provide some evidence for that nonsensical claim? Or are you just trying to post nonsense for no clear purpose.

I feel sorry for the cool kids who came out in droves to vote (many of them students who illegally voted twice) for Corbyn on the Labour lie that they were supporting remain.

The Labour position in the last election was quite clear; they respected the result of the referendum and would seek a Brexit deal that was the best for the country. Anyone voting Labour purely because they were supporting remain didn't read the manifesto.

More worrying for the future of Labour is momentum, the real power base behind it now, they will split it catastrophically in two.

The only people that could split Labour at this point is the Blairites. The vast majority of the party members and lower levels of the infrastructure sit firmly behind Corbyn. So it's really up to whether the Blairites can shut up and get behind their own party, or if they would rather damage their own chances of achieving power simply because they are so terrified of a slightly left of centre socialist movement.

I even see rumours of Blair making a comeback to lead the breakaway center left.

Blair is utterly toxic to any political party these days. A split centre version of Labour led by Blair would poll fewer votes than UKIP. It is brave of you to air your delusions so publicly though.

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The Labour position in the last election was quite clear; they respected the result of the referendum and would seek a Brexit deal that was the best for the country. Anyone voting Labour purely because they were supporting remain didn't read the manifesto.

The Labour position is nonsensical, unless you can reconcile controlled immigration and leaving the single market with the EU four freedoms, you can seek a deal all you like. There is no deal to be had, all it did was fool naive students into voting Labour for a lie. Well explained here....

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/a...l-corbyn-mania

The only people that could split Labour at this point is the Blairites. The vast majority of the party members and lower levels of the infrastructure sit firmly behind Corbyn. So it's really up to whether the Blairites can shut up and get behind their own party, or if they would rather damage their own chances of achieving power simply because they are so terrified of a slightly left of centre socialist movement.

Blair is utterly toxic to any political party these days. A split centre version of Labour led by Blair would poll fewer votes than UKIP. It is brave of you to air your delusions so publicly though.

Perhaps Blair will just fund the split rather than lead it. With 50 rebels voting for Chuka Umunna's amendment, against the Labour party position, a 5th of labour mp's, Blair won't be short of a puppet. Add to that another 50 Labour mp's privately supportive of staying in the single market. Corbynista momentum Marxists on one side and Blairs moderates on the other, Labour is split firmly down the middle.

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The only people that could split Labour at this point is the Blairites. The vast majority of the party members and lower levels of the infrastructure sit firmly behind Corbyn. So it's really up to whether the Blairites can shut up and get behind their own party, or if they would rather damage their own chances of achieving power simply because they are so terrified of a slightly left of centre socialist movement.

well to be fair, Corbyn has moved quite a bit to the centre, and into (well towards) that 'evil' electable space worshiped by the Blairites.

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well to be fair, Corbyn has moved quite a bit to the centre, and into (well towards) that 'evil' electable space worshiped by the Blairites.

No he hasn't. He has moved so far left that if any moderates dare say boo, they are being threatened with de-selection.

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No he hasn't. He has moved so far left that if any moderates dare say boo, they are being threatened with de-selection.

Eh?
Look back in the mirror, Corbyn polished some of his edges.

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It must be surreal to live in a country where the major topic of conversation in government is whether or not it is possible to both have a cake and eat it.

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It must be surreal to live in a country where the major topic of conversation in government is whether or not it is possible to both have a cake and eat it.

Pretty much, but then Cobyn spent a huge amount of his time on the campaign actually arguing for everyone to get a free lunch. All the more bizarre that the Tories are picking it up too now.

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Pretty much, but then Cobyn spent a huge amount of his time on the campaign actually arguing for everyone to get a free lunch. All the more bizarre that the Tories are picking it up too now.

Yeah the Tories cant claim any sense and coherence after championing the tripple lock and austerity at the same time.