Let's Be Realistic (Earthquake)

[msdos]

will you use earthquake in PVP rated battlegrounds? arena? will you even pick EQ up? i'm kinda curious.

[Abandon]

Why wouldn't you?

Just because it is not a single-target DPS increase in your rotation does not make it useless. Look at the Shadow 31 point talent.

[Gilgemesh]

I have to say the knockdown is O.o, and combine that with a frost shocked, earthbound, mage frosted, chains of iced flag carrier, you're talking serious use, also the knockdown might just catch some defenders too... worth it imo.

[Piptooth]

Useless talent.

[Sarevokcz]

Why wouldn't you?

Just because it is not a single-target DPS increase in your rotation does not make it useless. Look at the Shadow 31 point talent.

yea, lets forget the knockdown is now only 10% and the spell still eats like 20% of your total mana only to be asking for interrupt.

lets face it, how many times in BGs do you see atleast 3v3 meleers standing on one spot while fighting instead of running around?

its as close to useless as it can get for any sort of BG

[Abandon]

yea, lets forget the knockdown is now only 10% and the spell still eats like 20% of your total mana only to be asking for interrupt.

lets face it, how many times in BGs do you see atleast 3v3 meleers standing on one spot while fighting instead of running around?

its as close to useless as it can get for any sort of BG

I was not aware that the expansion was deleting the entire game outside of battlegrounds.

[msdos]

it needs talent support, imo.

Earth's Grasp - Tier 5

Grants your Earthbind Totem a 50% chance to root nearby targets for 5 seconds when cast, also the critical strike bonus damage of Earthquake is increased by 600%.

edit: i dunno, my idea looks kinda bad after reading it. all i know is it needs to cost less mana.

[Deleted]

Use mind sear for interrupts, this is a stable aoe spell, like blizzard, hurricane etc, its only has a side effect. and about the mana, its 60% base mana ATM, blizzard has 70% and hurricane 81%. so don't QQ about the mana cost

[Sarevokcz]

I was not aware that the expansion was deleting the entire game outside of battlegrounds.

I was not aware his question was not about pvp only.

[Linty]

I'm not very excited about it. while I don't pvp much at all I can't think of a situation where getting your nature tree locked out would be worth the benefit of earthquake's effects with the rare exception of a terrible AV.

pve I guess it'll be helpful for aoe pulls, but blizzard has stated they want to move emphasis away from aoeing things down and more towards ccing things. So it'll be useful on those situational pulls when some boss spawns a bunch of murlocs on us we have to kill, and that'll be it. sounds like more of what we had with thunderstorm to me.

[Northy]

Well, so far 4 like it and 10 hate it...

I for one will just play my lock instead.

[Condemner]

will you use earthquake in PVP rated battlegrounds? arena? will you even pick EQ up? i'm kinda curious.

For your information, if you want to pick some talents from the other trees as well, you MUST pick the 31p talent! Just wait and see where they go with it....

[Baabinator]

People that vote "I'm not gonna pick it" are stupid.

you are forced to take it as Elemental

Just like you are forced to take Feral Spirit if your are Enhancement.

Edit: Ignore this apparently i was wrong.

[Gilian]

I was not aware that the expansion was deleting the entire game outside of battlegrounds.

Well if you would read the thread you would know he is asking if you would use it in BG's or arena and not in PvE.
Obviously any spammable ranged AoE for shamans is good for PvE.

[Sarevokcz]

People that vote "I'm not gonna pick it" are stupid.

you are forced to take it as Elemental

Just like you are forced to take Feral Spirit if your are Enhancement.

you are not. you must spend 31 points in one tree, but not the "ultimate" talent. in ele, thats not really a problem since you would want around 33-4 points here anyway.

edit; of course if any spec is actually not picking up their ultimate talent, then that should give Blizzard a hint, that something is wrong with it Tho IMO its too late now for any change. If it was good (read spirit link in WotLK beta) it would get changed, but if its bad? We are shamans! We live for medicore talents!

[Baabinator]

you are not. you must spend 31 points in one tree, but not the "ultimate" talent. in ele, thats not really a problem since you would want around 33-4 points here anyway.

edit; of course if any spec is actually not picking up their ultimate talent, then that should give Blizzard a hint, that something is wrong with it Tho IMO its too late now for any change. If it was good (read spirit link in WotLK beta) it would get changed, but if its bad? We are shamans! We live for medicore talents!

Really? Where the hell did I hear that i should take that talent then?

The hell with it then! AOE is plentiful with a 3 second cooldown Chain Lightning, magma totem and Fire Novas.

And the damage of it sucks, the proc chance is underpowered as hell, and overpowered as it chain-procs

Lol guess i voted wrong ^^

[kiphemyst]

why people are worrying about mana? have you tried elem on PTR ? I started dps'ing target dummy with 9k mana and after 10 mins I had 100% (around 32k, no pots or thunderstorm used, also 10 mins is total mana I had after i've stroped, mana got to 100% way earlier, justs didn't check time when that happened).
Thing is that feedback restores more mana that others spells use so if you have one spell that actualy uses mana thats not a big deal. Also its graphics is amazing, you can cover stuff on bosses and greif lolol "i did not see then fire" etc.

[Rammus]

For your information, if you want to pick some talents from the other trees as well, you MUST pick the 31p talent! Just wait and see where they go with it....

Get your facts right! You CAN bypass your 31p talent and put more points in other trees as long
as you got 31 points in one tree. I am quite sure if the chance on the knockdown remains 10% some may
skip it over other talents.

[Deleted]

You shouldn't think it like its useless in 1v1. They are balancing around more vs more. You will have teammates who helps and situations could happen where 3 enemies standing close enough. 3x10% chance is high enough to make at least one of them knoced down while they are taking some dmg too. Using it on more will have a really high chance to knock at least on of them every 1 sec. Lets examine an ultimate situation where you have to protect the last gate in av. 20 ppl could stand in the same place. FUN!! Its not that useful in 1v1 ofc, just like my Starfall. Its good but the best comes when you demolish a whole pack with it

[Sarevokcz]

why people are worrying about mana? have you tried elem on PTR ? I started dps'ing target dummy with 9k mana and after 10 mins I had 100% (around 32k, no pots or thunderstorm used, also 10 mins is total mana I had after i've stroped, mana got to 100% way earlier, justs didn't check time when that happened).
Thing is that feedback restores more mana that others spells use so if you have one spell that actualy uses mana thats not a big deal.

thats at 80, where spell are relatively cheap compared to manaregen.

Since I have frozen live acc, I cant really accurately compare, but on beta, talented costs (-10%) are

LB: 1264
LvB: 2108
FlS: 3584
ES: 3795
CL: 5481
EQ: 12652

while my mana at 85 (with bad gear tho, last two zones are not itemized yet, so with ICC/deepholm stuff) is 56465
also my crit (even with upgrades) dropped from 42% crit to 21% crit

mana is going to matter alot more, atleast in starting content, than it does right now for eleshammies.