Night elf mage, Blood elf descendant.

[Linkhyrule]

I know Night elves mages are out there like in Dire Maul and can live to be over 10,000 years old. And with Cata coming out I plane to make a Night elf mage, also I plane to have her related to my Blood elf paladin. My question is this, can a Highborne mage who's lived in Dire Maul for over thousands of years have any living blood elf relatives? I'm planing for my night elf to be a great ancestor to my Blood Elf Paladin.

Thank you to anyone who can answer this.

[Precursor]

Well you could make it that they have the same highborne parents or grandparents, as someone of the line would have to some from night eleven- highborne society, then they would have left your said highborne in dire maul, while the rest went to quel thalas and transionied into highelf then blood elf.

Lets just say there was a highborne father with two young children both highborne.
They lived in dire maul but then with the majority of the highborne society left for the eastern kingdoms.
One of the children was left behind with the mother or mage training or they just refused to go.
Many many years pass and the transion of arcane warping highborne elves further into a high elf appearance occours.
Blah blah blah - wow time line of arthas attacking and the high eleves becomming blood elfs.
The father and the child who left are now blood elves and one of them is a paladin.
We now look back to dire maul which the elfs there have not had any further evolution due to any changes so yes they are the highborne they where when they were born , but the father and son are not.


Over all yes its very viable.


techincally it would be more a case of highborne with blood elf bother/sister.

[Khorianas]

Precursor is perfectly right about the leave of the high elves and the possibility of a common heritage, but according to the life spans of Highelves they only get about 200 years old, while the Shen'dralar(Dire Maul Night elves) still are immortal i think.
So to figure out which relationship they could have, the big question you have to answer is when did the Highelves/Bloodelves get mortal, with their leave of the Kaldorei society or with the destruction of the Sunwell?

I tried to figure out what was the case by trying to relate to the Sunstrider family, but sadly even Dath'remars life span is disputed in official sources.
So since there is no hint if or not the Highelves were immortal till rencently, it is either brother and sister or grand grand grand grand ... uncle.
I think i am not allowed to post links yet but I used those for research:
just go to wowpedia and replace Portal:Main with:

Dath%27Remar_Sunstrider
Life_spans
Timeline_(from_official_site,_2007)
Shen%27dralar

hope that helps

[Linkhyrule]

Well you could make it that they have the same highborne parents or grandparents, as someone of the line would have to some from night eleven- highborne society, then they would have left your said highborne in dire maul, while the rest went to quel thalas and transionied into highelf then blood elf.

Lets just say there was a highborne father with two young children both highborne.
They lived in dire maul but then with the majority of the highborne society left for the eastern kingdoms.
One of the children was left behind with the mother or mage training or they just refused to go.
Many many years pass and the transion of arcane warping highborne elves further into a high elf appearance occours.
Blah blah blah - wow time line of arthas attacking and the high eleves becomming blood elfs.
The father and the child who left are now blood elves and one of them is a paladin.
We now look back to dire maul which the elfs there have not had any further evolution due to any changes so yes they are the highborne they where when they were born , but the father and son are not.


Over all yes its very viable.


techincally it would be more a case of highborne with blood elf bother/sister.

Thanks I posted this idea on the WoW forums and Wowhead forums. And I got decent positive replies from it, most were not so supportive of the idea, saying how its ether imposable or its highly unlikey it can happen and got very little advice on how I can make it work. This has got to be by far the best advice I goten so far.

I had an idea where my Night Elf mage, was an alchemist and during the times before the War of the Ancients was hoping to help make the Highborne's immortality permanent with her alchemy research, since there immortality was tied to that tree (I forget its name) and they would lose there immortality should it be destroyed. During her research she corrupted her blood and this corruption ended up being passed on to my Blood elf Paladin.
What effects this corruption would have is still a bit WIP. This is my idea so far and thank you to anyone who can help me with it.

[Vadoor]

Before the sundering of the Nordrassil at Hyjal I think both High Elves and Night Elves were immortal. High Elves due to the Sunwell (possibly) and Night Elves due to the tree.

http://www.wowpedia.org/Anasterian_Sunstrider

That link shows king Anasterian ruling for over 3000 years. I think most Blood Elves/ High Elves may be immortal due to the Sunwell. The Highborne at Dire Maul I think had to find a way to sustain their immortality because they didn't have something to readily supply it like the Sunwell or Nordrassil.

As for the Highborne having Blood Elf relatives? Its possibly especially with the reemergence of the Highborne. While the statistics on this would be very low I think it would be possible as all elves, Night Elf and Blood Elf, use to be Kaldorei.

[Linkhyrule]

I tried posting about Anasterian, Deth'Remar and Keal'thas on WoWhead and WoW forums this is what I put:

"What helped me gets this idea was that Kael'thas had 2 ancestors before him. Anasterian (His father) ruled Quel'Thalas for over three thousand years, til he was killed at the scourge invasion . My best guess he had to be at least over four thousand years old. Then before Anasterian there was Dath'Remar, who was around during the "war of the ancients", got exiled, went through the transformation from Night Elf to High Elf, then became king. He had to be well over ten thousand years old. His shrine says (from WoWwiki) he died at the scourge invasion, but Im going to guess he should have died long befor that. My point is befor Kael'Thas there was just Anasterian and Dath'Remar and that's it."



The respone I got on Deth'Remar is that there could be unmentioned relitives between Deth'Remar and Anasterian even tho Im sure there arnt any. And I the reponed I got on Anasterian about how he was over 3000 years old, the excues I got was hes a Lore character and he gets "Leeway". So its ok for Kael'thas to have a dad thats over 3000 years old but my Blood Elf chacter cant have a father that can be at least 1000 years old even tho it can be pretty logical for the older generation of Elves to be over 1000 years old? When it comes to the max lifespan of High/blood elves I think it deceasces with each new generation born.

[Deleted]

I think max age is affected by magic, Anasterian was a powerfull mage and warrior who could fight Arthy untill he crited his horse and made Arthas enrage and Dath'remar was a highborne topdog. And doesn't wowpedia state the blood elf age limit from 390 to 2000?

[Golden Deagle]

I think max age is affected by magic, Anasterian was a powerfull mage and warrior who could fight Arthy untill he crited his horse and made Arthas enrage and Dath'remar was a highborne topdog. And doesn't wowpedia state the blood elf age limit from 390 to 2000?

I tend to think that the Elves age faster as the generations go on and as they mingle more with mortals.

[Black Mage]

Age is a constant problem in WoW Lore.

Even the most zealous Lore followers have debates over it as Blizzard has never really stepped in and told us how it is.

For the purpose of this bio, I'll give youhe basics.

Most Elves WERE immortal either because of the moonwell, before the war of the ancients.

What I mean by this is that does born BEFORE the war of the ancients are pretty much immortal. Take for example Malfurion or his Brother, Illidan.

Elves born after the destruction of the moonwell lost much of what they had, and therefore live less-than-immortal lives.

Those who got re-attached to either the sunwell or tree of life have regained some of their immortality, but not to the extent of say, the Furion brothers. 3000 years is probably the oldest you get post-shattering.

That is the dumbed down version. I really don't feel like going into much detail, so stick to that.

[Golden Deagle]

Age is a constant problem in WoW Lore.

Even the most zealous Lore followers have debates over it as Blizzard has never really stepped in and told us how it is.

For the purpose of this bio, I'll give youhe basics.

Most Elves WERE immortal either because of the moonwell, before the war of the ancients.

What I mean by this is that does born BEFORE the war of the ancients are pretty much immortal. Take for example Malfurion or his Brother, Illidan.

Elves born after the destruction of the moonwell lost much of what they had, and therefore live less-than-immortal lives.

Those who got re-attached to either the sunwell or tree of life have regained some of their immortality, but not to the extent of say, the Furion brothers. 3000 years is probably the oldest you get post-shattering.

That is the dumbed down version. I really don't feel like going into much detail, so stick to that.

I thought that Night Elves stayed immortal seeing as Nordrassil was planted and blessed not long after Illidan created the new Well of Eternity. My earlier post was about High-elves mainly, but I forgot to add that really powerful magic users or those close to the Sunwell had extended lives. (I know I pretty much said the same as you, but just wanted to clear it up)

[Deleted]

I tend to think that the Elves age faster as the generations go on and as they mingle more with mortals.

Wouldn't that mingling count as half elves? Althought that aging faster as generations go on sounds interesting.

[Golden Deagle]

Wouldn't that mingling count as half elves? Althought that aging faster as generations go on sounds interesting.

Well it's happening to humans, so why not? :P

[Deleted]

Humans age faster each new generation, that's new to me :S
Also, this threads topic is certainly something I'm going to consider spreading

[Syrra Coventry]

Actually, the Night Elves retained their immortality until Nordrassil's destruction during Archimonde's invasion of Hyjal. Blood Elves (and their subsequent parent race of High Elves) lost their immortality when they were banished from Kaldorei lands, as they gave it up in pursuit of arcane magicks as their source of magical power. They do, though, live much longer lives than humans. It is actually said...somewhere...that Night Elves started to age as High Elves about...7 years or so (?) in game time...this includes even the ancient Stormrage brothers.

Half-Elves and their longevity is under even more dispute, too... So...direct relations between night elves and blood elves? It's possible...but only among the very young (by comparison).

[Golden Deagle]

Actually, the Night Elves retained their immortality until Nordrassil's destruction during Archimonde's invasion of Hyjal. Blood Elves (and their subsequent parent race of High Elves) lost their immortality when they were banished from Kaldorei lands, as they gave it up in pursuit of arcane magicks as their source of magical power. They do, though, live much longer lives than humans. It is actually said...somewhere...that Night Elves started to age as High Elves about...7 years or so (?) in game time...this includes even the ancient Stormrage brothers.

Half-Elves and their longevity is under even more dispute, too... So...direct relations between night elves and blood elves? It's possible...but only among the very young (by comparison).

I was under the impression that Nordrassil was healed?

[Deleted]

Apparently the immortality is Nozdormu's blessing and the tree got damaged enough to remove it.

[Golden Deagle]

Apparently the immortality is Nozdormu's blessing and the tree got damaged enough to remove it.

Or the planting of Teldrassil removed it.

[Deleted]

It seems that the druids may have never needed the tree to do this since they can still enter it, even after the tree was damaged enough to remove Nozdormu's blessing. Also, according to War of the Ancients, Malfurion Stormrage was able to enter the Emerald Dream before Nordrassil was created.

But the most important blessing came from Nozdormu; which ensured that so long as the tree existed the night elves would remain immortal. This would ensure that even the most corrupt of night elves would be drawn to protect the tree.

fromt he wowpedia entry on Nordrassil.

[Golden Deagle]

oh right, thanks

[Syrra Coventry]

Thank you, Kristeas...

Yes...Nozdormu's blessing of Nordrassil granted the kaldorei eternal life (though I think there's still a justifiable argument that it took both Nozdormu's blessing and Alexstraza's to accomplish this...Nozdormu for eternal life and Alexstraza to bind the tree's eternal life to the kaldorei).