WoW is bleeding subs?

[Danzeg]

I was surprised at hearing this. People were soo pumped for this expansion. LOTRO, Aoc,DnD, Aion are seeing a large influx of new subs as well.
I have played all while not as polished as WoW all are decent MMo's with more subs they could be viable MMO option.

I really liked the difficulty of the game. However I was playing wow pre bc/WOTLK.

IMO:
The 5 man dungeoins are to long. Having to expend that much energy and time for a small upgrade. Yea not exactly worth it. I know that is a wotlk mentality, I do.
Questing is to linear. Phasing is buggy as all hell. PvP which I love is unbalanced Yes the class I play is OP. Everytime a post goes up that is critical of the game. 4 o 4..
Community is just horrible to eachother. It has became a fairly horrible environment in all. I have cancelled my daughter and sons account and I am teetering on canceling mine.

[Deleted]

From which source do you base this statement?

[Kheng]

What's your question?

[ripponesan]

I think that is just in YOUR head.

[Soisoisoi]

I think that is just in YOUR head.

Think I'm gonna' have to agree with the above.. The only people who seem to be complaining are the ones who still have the WotLK mindset of "GIMMIE GEAR, NOOOOOOOAWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!" Yes, it's a game, but what's the point in having a game where you get everything instantly then just sit in a city? O.o

There are simple solutions to all the problems, people just choose to ignore them.


Oh, and what Loxley(below) said.

[Loxley]

I was surprised at hearing this.
..
I have cancelled my daughter and sons account and I am teetering on canceling mine.

Don't be surprised when you, yourself are responsible for bleeding subs

[Vorz]

I'll start with stating my opinion.

The 5 man heroics are not too long, and if you truely played during vanilla you would'v known that normal dungeons such as Scholo, LBRS, Dire Maul etc took way longer for no real reward, gearwise. Only needing to put in 15 minutes for an entire heroic is just plain old stupid, who would believe that you would kill dragons, some champions of the current villian in 15 minutes?

Not that 30 minutes is that long, and yes, that's what most dungeons take. Not that big of a difference imo? Longest dungeon I've been in lately was a grim batol run that took me 45 minutes and that was only because our healer had to afk for a couple of minutes.


On to your second point, questing is too linear? Sorry? The quests are great, good story (read the quest lines), some of them are funny (The Day Deathwing Came in Blasted Lands). And some are just great. On the phasing, yes I agree, some phases are buggy, but we're still relatively early in this expansion, and the phasing to this magnitude is new to Blizzard, and you can't expect them to do everything right on their first try.

Give Blizz their time to fix the phase bugs.

PvP is indeed unbalanced, some classes are obviously OP compared to some others, but it was the same in Vanilla (enhancement shamans say hello!), and WOTLK (Paladins anyone?).

And yes, the majority of the community are just people who really need psychological help, but it helps if you just ignore those, and keep playing with the people you do like within the community.

And about your children, I can understand you being protective towards them, but if they know what's good and what's not, they should be perfectly fine protecting theirselves, and there's always the mature language filter in the options if they're still young. But that's all your choice.

Just my 5 cents.

[jetersky]

I don't know if Blizz is actually bleeding subs right now (any source for your info?), but I definitely agree with some of your points. Personally, due to the length of heroics (even in guild groups), I am lacking any desire to play at all right now. I haven't unsubscribed, because I still enjoy a few minor aspects of the game. But for comparion's sake, before the xpac I was playing around 3-4 hours a night after my kids went to bed. I haven't logged on in two days, and don't know when I will feel like logging in again.

[McNeil]

I'm still wondering if I should add new gametime to my subscription at 2 february...

All I'm doing in Cataclysm is dailys, the 5 man dungeons are boring and time consuming (still do them sometimes), the community in Catac is worse than ever, PVP is unbalanced and broken.

The raiding is meh, just fighting recycled bosses.

The new quests aren't that great, WoW no longer feels epic, instead it feels like a world with bad cultural references (since when did Blizzard hire Family Guy writers to make their game??)

So yeah, I'm getting tired of WoW pretty fast and its barely out for a month... guess it'll never be like TBC

[Hateful]

I was surprised at hearing this. People were soo pumped for this expansion. LOTRO, Aoc,DnD, Aion are seeing a large influx of new subs as well.
I have played all while not as polished as WoW all are decent MMo's with more subs they could be viable MMO option.

I really liked the difficulty of the game. However I was playing wow pre bc/WOTLK.

IMO:
The 5 man dungeoins are to long. Having to expend that much energy and time for a small upgrade. Yea not exactly worth it. I know that is a wotlk mentality, I do.
Questing is to linear. Phasing is buggy as all hell. PvP which I love is unbalanced Yes the class I play is OP. Everytime a post goes up that is critical of the game. 4 o 4..
Community is just horrible to eachother. It has became a fairly horrible environment in all. I have cancelled my daughter and sons account and I am teetering on canceling mine.

As you didn't provide any sort of evidence that WoW is "bleeding subs", I'll just reply to your main points about why the game is supposedly going downhill.

5 man dungeons are too long and require too much focus - They really aren't, the only reason they're taking so long at the moment is because people are both undergeared and inexperienced (or are just poor players). Most players are still used to Wrath, where everybody was 51-77 item levels above what the content was designed for (iilvl 200 content or lower, being cleared in 251-277 gear). Of course it was fast, and there was little to no thought process involved. But you have to realise that most trash is already being AoE'd down thoughtlessly again already, and we're ONE tier of raiding into this expansion. Think of them as part of the current raiding tier - they're meant to be challenging NOW, later they will be ridiculously easy as everyone will outgear them again.

Questing is too linear / phasing is buggy - I'm not really sure how questing could be less linear. At the end of the day, there's only so many different types of quests you can create, and you are merely "doing task x to get x experience", whichever way you spin it. Questing has become boring because everybody has been doing it for years now, in the same WoW style. This is something that is basically unavoidable. Personally, I've enjoyed the Cataclysm levelling process; just because you haven't doesn't mean people are abandoning WoW because of it. People said this about every single expansions questing content. Oh, and levels 1-60 are a bazillion times better than they used to be. If anything, questing is FAR more interesting now then it was previously.

It's true that phasing has had some bugs, but...every game has bugs? It's not like WoW has bugs everywhere - in fact I've encountered only 2-3 phase bugs in the entire time phasing has been in the game. That doesn't seem like such a mammoth amount, considering the way phasing has improved gameplay (has it not made it LESS linear, which you said was a downside in the first place?).

PvP is unbalanced - You didn't really provide any evidence of this, and in a competitive environment (not 1v1, don't use that as any sort of reference) I don't have experience myself at the moment. Plus, has PvP ever really been that balanced? I'd say PvP is better than ever with the inclusion of Rated Battlegrounds, which are far, far easier to balance than smaller brackets of gameplay. At last PvP seems to have really opened up to those who want to form larger competitive teams, rather than Blizzard being forced to play whack-a-mole with the horrendous arena brackets.

Posts criticizing the game are being deleted - Most of these posts are not constructive. At all. Not even in the slightest. It's just people saying "THIS IS DUMB FIX IT NOW OR IM QUITTING", without any sort of thought or structure to their posts. Sure, there's arseholes in the community, but sadly that is life - in every community in the world you'll find people who are arrogant morons and just want to give people a hard time. It's not unique to World of Warcraft or any other MMO, and Blizzard has to deal with hundreds of threads by these idiots every day.

Example:

"TOL BARAD IS FKIN BS MAN WE NEVER WIN FIX IT BLIZZARD THIS IS REALLY STUPID"

"There is an imbalance with Tol Barad, which places the attacking forces at a massive disadvantage to those defending. Is this intended? If not, is there some sort of fix for this on the way? The major issues with Tol Barad, at least in my opinion, are..."

The first post is what most people are writing - the second is how it should (basically) be written. I mean, did anybody see that post a few days ago with the guy demanding he be reimbursed 2000g for buying Dual Spec on his toons before the cost was reduced? Utter idiocy, and he did himself no favors with his terrible attitude.

And I'm just throwing it out there, but most people saying Dungeons are too long aren't bothering to do guild runs. Find a guild, form a raid, do the content, do Rated BGs, etc. These things don't take that much time when you're organised. And McNeil...if TBC was still going now you'd still be tired of "recycled bosses", "unbalanced PvP" and "boring / time consuming dungeons". Cataclysm isn't to blame for that, it's because you've been playing for so long. I loved BC too, but damn man, think passed the nostalgia for a minute and realise that Cataclysm is very similar - it's just that you've seen it before.

Anyway, there's my take on your post!

[XenuMC]

I have yet to see any proof of this. Show me some data that makes you think WoW is bleeding subs? (more then usually anyway)

[Imnick]

People have been saying this for five years and as WoW still has millions of people playing I hope you don't mind if I doubt your made up bullshit

[Guthix]

so we lose 2 12 year olds and and their father. /care?

[Kelzam]

If it were bleeding the subs of all the players who complain at every turn, try their best to make the game unenjoyable for others because they're lazy and make themselves miserable because of it, I'd be glad to watch it bleed those subs. But no, that's just a dream...

[La]

"Show me some data"

lols.

[Fojos]

I don't know if Blizz is actually bleeding subs right now (any source for your info?), but I definitely agree with some of your points. Personally, due to the length of heroics (even in guild groups), I am lacking any desire to play at all right now.

Really? Heroics take about 15-20 minutes for us in guild group.

[TheOne]

I have actually enjoyed playing. As a long time player that started in '05, I have seen many changes. I have seen many players come and go. Through it all, I have managed to always find a way to have fun.

I don't mind the long heroics. It makes me appreciate what I get even more than if it took 15 minutes to faceroll through them. I hated that about Wrath. I'll agree that the phasing is buggy. It's really frustrating when you see that mining/herb node and it disappears when you get to it. Even beyond these things, I have still found ways to have fun. I have enjoyed healing heroics when I can get a good group with sense. Unfortunately, I have seen very few groups with any kind of sense. Even guild groups sometimes. They think "Ok, we have some epics now, we don't need CC, let's just faceroll it". Which still always ends up as failure.

Your last point, about the community, is the one that I can't stand anymore. When I started playing this game, it was not so bad. Sure there were your occasional douchebags, but they were few and far between and no one ever listened to them. Now the community is infested with mean, angry, hurtful people that don't care about anything except what serves them and only them. The American Way (yes, I am an American, a member of the most degrading society on the planet). Instant gratification has taken over people and turned them into nerd-raging ingrates.

My subscription runs out in 3 days, and I will not be renewing (yet another healer gone, dropping like flies). I'm not going to cancel it, but I most certainly will be staying away from this game full of very undesirable people. I know there are good people in game In fact I know a few, but this has become a case of the bad outweighing the good by massive numbers.

To all of you good people out there, I bid you a fond farewell, and hope the best for you. For the rest of you (you know who you are), I have nothing to say to you beyond what is stated above.

[Jindujun]

seeing as people have said "people are fleeing from wow" since vanilla and yet they keep growing in subscribers albeit slowly i cant really see how this statement can be true

[Alfador]

So yeah, I'm still looking for any actual indicator that WoW is "bleeding subs" other than the delusions of someone who is trying to justify quitting.

[Kelzam]

So yeah, I'm still looking for any actual indicator that WoW is "bleeding subs" other than the delusions of someone who is trying to justify quitting.

Postcount++? You know as well as the rest of us he can't, so there's not really any point in posting again stating you're waiting for it. If you really are waiting around for him to post again, I'm sorry that's how you're spending your time.