pretty unfair

[Kivimetsan]

Inc wall of text. Just want to get a few opinions on this and vent my anger.

Iv been in a 10 man guild for several months. We started raiding together relatively late due to there previous core group dissolving. We recently have cleared 12/12 N and 2/13 H with a few hiccups.

I play MS Ret and I admit im not the best. I pull decent numbers, but lately iv begun falling behind on the dps charts and in gear comparison to the others (e.g. im using pvp shoulders and pvp weapon because I am that unlucky with drops, im also 360Ilvl with no maelstrom enchants, whilst the other do).

Anyway, wednesday nights are our farm nights and I go prot to tank H Halfus' whelps/drakes. We wiped a few times because it was only our second time on the boss. I screwed up once (pulled Halfus accidently derp), yet in comparison to some of the others in the group I was going well, considering my pc is pretty old and I have frame issues only when im tanking, yet we still downed him mabye 6 or 7 attempts later...

usually at 9pm we have breaks for around 10mins, so I go to make dinner. I get back on time, zone in, notice that a newly recruited warrior dps is in the group. The gm asks if im there and then says "sorry, but we are replacing you, we are sorry but some people in the group are complaining about you." Obviously I was pretty shattered because I thought I was friends with most of the people in our core group, e.g. running old raids with them and pvping with gm every week. But lately I have gone extremely casual due to university.

There reason was that lately iv been slacking off, that my Internet connection is screwing over there progression and people have begun complaing about me, yet I havnt even been told this until I was replaced... Its pretty ironic, because last lockout I went out to get some food during break and didnt come back until 50 minutes later, which I tried to explain yet they didn't really believe me and just trolled me about it the entire week. Other than that, iv been fine, I pull decent numbers, usually fighting for top 3 with our rogue, mage, hunter and lock, and came 2nd on cho gal 2 weeks ago, coming first until the last phase about 20 seconds before we downed him (we usually go in and one shot him too).

What I fail to understand is, my survival is pretty decent, I rarely die to stupid things, for example Artramedes flames and things like that, whilst our lock, mage and druids always die to these stupid things. I just dont understand the logic behind there decission and the fact that they replaced me with some random I have never seen in guild until today (did a heroic with him and was pretty terrible dying to stupid shit, whilst doing bad damage).

Also, some of them had the nerve to say things like "take this as a learning experience" and crap like that, and when I asked them why they didnt tell me before that I was screwing them over, they said things like "you have had three weeks"... like seriously that doesnt make sense, the last 3 weeks we have killed 2 Heroic bosses and I get no credit for that either, due to me having to pull crap dps on H Chim in the first fued because when our MT taunts my goak and HoW pull so much threat that I get hit by the double attacks, which obviously they did not consider.

Sorry for the big wall of text, but I just wanted to vent, mainly because I was used just so they could down H Halfus this lockout and then replace me with a 334 Ilvl Warrior with no experience of any of the current raids, I just find it weird that I get replaced without warning and some crap excuse that iv begun to suck, yet they said I could stay so I could get my dark pheonix which is only several thousand rep away from, but why would I want to stay while my position which iv filled pretty well until now is taken by some random new to guild... so I gquit

Armory link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...plika/advanced

Has this happened to anyone else before and what was the story? Thanks for reading

[Scuravolpe]

Sounds like your friends have become heat-seeking douche rockets. Hope you get a better connection and a better raiding group.

[Bitlovin]

last lockout I went out to get some food during break and didnt come back until 50 minutes later

So, wait.... you disappeared for 50 minutes with no explanation during a raid?

[Kivimetsan]

So, wait.... you disappeared for 50 minutes with no explanation during a raid?

I was stuck in a car accident.

[Deleted]

While I understand your frustration and agree that they should have given you a warning, I'd probably have done the same myself minus the nasty comments.

Lag, not wanting to optimize your gear with Maelstrom Crystals and sup par dps would get you replaced in my roster as well. I'm not saying that you don't have a legit reason for all of this, but end of the day raid progress>you.

[Bucknazty]

If you are in a semi-hardcore raiding guild, and you are now going casual because of school (completely understandable) and your net is casuing disconnecting or lag that is causing wipes, I can see why they would replace. They cant have 9-24 other people waiting on you because your net went down on a break. It sounds like an asshole thing to say but its true.

I am in a similar situation. Started a new job and i close every night. Our raid start at 9 but I cant be on till 930 at the earliest. Despite being our best healer by a decent amount, and leading raids in part, I have been replaced. It ultimately comes down to what the group needs. My guild is all east coast so 9 server is 12am for them and I cant be making them wait for me because, in the end, everyone is replaceable.

[Deleted]

Seems like a bad GM or Raidleader to me. Either the guild doesnt like your personality or maybe they are just plain stupid. But if all that you have written is true, then I would indeed say it's pretty unfair.

[Arlee]

Sounds like they handled things really badly... which unfortunately happens for a lot of reasons.

[bromogrin]

that is unfortunate for your friends to turn on you like that but what i also got from your post was a lot of excuses. I mean there are a couple paragraphs of chain excuses. now im not saying how they did it was right but if they felt you weren't preforming up to standards they had every right to replace you.

[Tziva]

Your friends sound like they are not being very nice or tactful (at least from your side of the story), but I think I agree with them in replacing you.

Even though a lot of these issues are outside your control (old computer, bad internet, car accident, etc), that still doesn't mean that it should become the raid's problem. Those reasons mean that mistakes are not necessarily your fault, but it's still not fair to subject the rest of the raid to them. They shouldn't have to wipe because their tank keeps hitting lag spikes or his FPS is 5, and they shouldn't have to hold the raid for an hour because someone is MIA, even if it was for a legitimate reason.

If the rest of the raid is complaining about your reliability, the raid leader has an obligation to everyone to replace you. It is nothing personal.

[Kivimetsan]

While I understand your frustration and agree that they should have given you a warning, I'd probably have done the same myself minus the nasty comments.

Lag, not wanting to optimize your gear with Maelstrom Crystals and sup par dps would get you replaced in my roster as well. I'm not saying that you don't have a legit reason for all of this, but end of the day raid progress>you.

Maelstroms are supplied by the guild and my connection is now fixed because iv begun using a tunnel. Also, im not the only one who occasionally disconnects... e.g. H Chim gm had net issues for at least 30mins while we were trying to progress. Also, last time I checked, my guild was in no way a hardcore guild and pretty casual, I just think our new tank (ex memeber of one of the top guilds on server) complained about me because hes an elitest jerk who thinks his gods gift.

[Lei]

- But lately I have gone extremely casual due to university
- my pc is pretty old and I have frame issues
- my Internet connection is screwing over
- I went out to get some food during break and didnt come back until 50 minutes later

I think they want progress, not "boost" (connection/fps issues = you are unable to raid) a """""""friend""""" who is extremely casual and AFKing while raid is in progress for 50min. I think you should calm down, and focus on your studies, maybe fix your isp and fps, then when you have time to raid like others, and you have the required game stability, then come back and try again. If they are jerk, reconsider your rant.

PS: Also rethink your state of thinking about them being friends. For me for example friends are who I know in real life, and I draw somekind of line with only net relationsips. I can be friendLY with others in game too, but they are not that friends you call friends, they are "pals". Being in a positive relationship with someone does not mean you are friends.

[Lovin]

Honest to tell you which I am not trying to be rude at all, but the matter of a fact is that they are raiding the content and they need to get it finished before the new patch comes out. Being a guild 2/13 H Modes ... I find it very hard to believe that you have a pvp chest and a pvp weapon. It's not about bad luck because for you to be in that content of 2/13 H mode now throught these days ... the guild group had to clear normal for about 2 months now or close to that.
You are omitting things out of the story which seem to be probable. For example, it seems like they haven't taken you all the time to their raids.
You also afk for a long time ... seroiusly if a raid member in our guild afk for 50 minutes ... we will replace within the next up coming week. If you are serious about raiding get everything done before hand, even get food.
50 minutes of your afk could mean 2 bosses down in H mode.
I don't blame them for doing what they did... sure I can agree it was a wrong the way they put it there, but it's a raiding guild ... expect the worst for you to be the best.

Remember there is ALWAYS two sides of the story.

[Chloride]

- But lately I have gone extremely casual due to university
- my pc is pretty old and I have frame issues
- my Internet connection is screwing over
- I went out to get some food during break and didnt come back until 50 minutes later

that will pretty much get you replaced in any group. They could have handled it better but the above is reason enough to lose a spot. I play with real life friends and even they would kick me for the same reasons.

[Tziva]

Just to illustrate an example with parallels, I raided with a tank in TBC who was homeless. He lived in his car, and would try to raid from various friends' houses and internet cafes. This often meant sometimes he wouldn't show up -- because he couldn't find a place to stay or they didn't have internet -- or sometimes he would show up and have a lot of issues with his computer or connection.

I feel for anyone in that situation because that is a tough place to be in your life, but that doesn't mean his troubles should affect the other 24 people in the raid. You can bet people resented the hell out of the fact that we constantly had to schedule our raids around him and our progress was often limited by his availability, that we wiped because of his DCs or had to sit around for 20 minutes waiting for him to get back on. Of course, no one wanted to actually replace him because that looked like we were not sympathetic to his troubles.

The proper thing would have been for him to voluntarily resign until he was in a more stable situation. If your connection is bad, if your computer is old, if you are having troubles... you probably put your friends in that awkward position that forced them to remove you from the raid. Your friends probably didn't want to boot you, but they also obviously want to be able to raid. It doesn't justify them being jerks about it if they were, but you probably also should have voluntarily left before they had to take those actions.

[Dindo]

So pretty much what I read was: I'm not the greatest raider in the world, and while I don't min max, pull bosses by accident, pull agro off of tanks, leave for 50 minutes with no explanation, and have a terrible internet connection, the jerks in my guild replaced me with a warrior.

My advice: find a new guild who isn't going to complain about these things?

Or fix these things.

[Lei]

I was stuck in a car accident.

Without wanting to be asshole I would like to ask you about you really left your house while you had a 10min break to get food, and there is nothing wrong with it general, but you think you can manage to get food in 10min? Its seems impossible to me (if you have to use vehicle i assume store is not near your house), but hey its just me.

[Kivimetsan]

Without wanting to be asshole I would like to ask you about you really left your house while you had a 10min break to get food, and there is nothing wrong with it general, but you think you can manage to get food in 10min? Its seems impossible to me (if you have to use vehicle i assume store is not near your house), but hey its just me.

Maccas is like 3 minutes down the road, iv done it before and it worked, just got unlucky

[blutkind]

that will pretty much get you replaced in any group. They could have handled it better but the above is reason enough to lose a spot. I play with real life friends and even they would kick me for the same reasons.

agreed. i think those reasons could very well make a lot of raiding officers make the decision to replace you- if not that, sit you out and have a chat with you about all the goings on at the very least. you don't appear to be a raider that wants to be there, imo.

[Laurcian]

I'm sorry, but it seems pretty fair actually (other than the nasty comments). You admit you have taken a very casual attitude lately, you admit to being late, you admit to being gone for 50 mins (why would you go drive somewhere on a 10 minute break?). You admit to not being optimized in gear...it seems to me like you wanted to be a lazy raider but still be a member of a progression team...sorry for the harsh words, but that's just my take.