LoL. - Which support, to opponent AD carry.

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Aight guys, i would like to hear you, Which support champ do you take, when you see the other teams AD carry or support?

Is there a different? I mean if Sona counter Vayne/grave best, and Soraka counter 2 others best, if you know what im trying to say.

By that i means the support champ: Alistar, Sona, Janna, Leona, Malphite, nunu, Soraka And Taric.

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(...) By that i means the support champ: Alistar, Sona, Janna, Leona, Malphite, nunu, Soraka And Taric.

Havent tried that before, it actually works or just "works" like LeBlanc Support?

[Rynau]

I cant figure out your signature Silkku.

OT. I prefer Sona, just so much variation in what she can do.

[Vulon'Nah]

Malph and Nunu? Supports? I have to disagree...

But yeah, someone like Taric would be better against Vayne more than others because he can stun her mid-roll, keeping her in a potentially vulnerable position. Besides small things like that, I don't really see how what exact AD carry the enemy has would make a difference. Its a matter of how good the support is over all.

[Kurdiern]

I usually choose support based on what AD carry we pick instead of theirs.

[Duilliath]

I can see picking some more offensive choices based on their AD. But that's largely for the ADs that do not have a natural out, like Kog'maw or Miss Fortune. Those are much more vulnerable to displacements or stuns. Someone like Tristana or Vayne will simply dodge skill shots, or Leap/Tumble away.

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Oh, how I wish Janna was more viable in ranked. :<

[meteo]

Oh, how I wish Janna was more viable in ranked. :<

The problem I have when picking janna/being supported by her is that you've got to rely on qutie good teamwork because you can't just say: ok that engage was bad... let's wait and heal up.

in my experience janna is an amazing support when ad and support can work together (be it premade or similiar thinking). When you survive the laning phase she's one of the best supports in terms of defending her carry.

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yeah, there's not really many options to counter pick specifically for the support role but you can pick your support based on your AD champion. an AD that does well with attack speed and is fairly aggresive? nunu. an AD going for first blood? alistar/taric/sona. pick an AD carry who is generally weaker early and needs more help? then go soroka.

now going with that i'd say the best combos are probably nunu with kogmaw, sona with graves, taric with sivir and soroka with vayne/ashe.

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The problem I have when picking janna/being supported by her is that you've got to rely on qutie good teamwork because you can't just say: ok that engage was bad... let's wait and heal up.

in my experience janna is an amazing support when ad and support can work together (be it premade or similiar thinking). When you survive the laning phase she's one of the best supports in terms of defending her carry.

Yeah well. I've always played Janna, love playing her even when solo. Problem is other supports have better sustain (both in terms of mana(/giveaway mana) and healing) on top of being more dynamic in that they heal and not shield. Janna is a very offensive support which somewhat strides against the meta where the AD carry farms for as long as possible.

Late game she's really strong but Soraka and Sona both feel stronger. Sona's absurd ultimate and Sorakas heavy healing make them both more efficient late game tbh.

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yeah, there's not really many options to counter pick specifically for the support role but you can pick your support based on your AD champion. an AD that does well with attack speed and is fairly aggresive? nunu. an AD going for first blood? alistar/taric/sona. pick an AD carry who is generally weaker early and needs more help? then go soroka.

now going with that i'd say the best combos are probably nunu with kogmaw, sona with graves, taric with sivir and soroka with vayne/ashe.

I find Soraka, really AMAZING with sivir, cause of all the mana regn, she can give Sivir.

[Xenryusho]

You probably want to wipe nunu from that list. He requires too much farm to be viable for a full support role and does not offer as much as the other support champions do. Malphite is more along a tanky line but his ability to support is limited to by his skill set. Leona can work since she has sufficent CC and poor ability to farm anyway however I don't see Lux on the list who can be very helpful so far as securing kills especially when ganks are being set up.

Anyway I feel as though who you chose as support should be based just as much as your teams set up, and the other teams non carry members as it is their carry. For instance if you have 0 crowd control you might want to rethink that soraka. If you're going duo Que with a friend who is competent enough with graves on the other hand soraka is usually a good choice and you will find yourselves shutting down their farm completely after a few levels.

Edit: If you have a sivir you will find taric will help her get off a lot more double hits with boomerang blade because of his stun and allows for a more aggressive playstyle and lane dominance earlier on.

Edit 2: The reason I don't like Nunu on this list is he doesn't provide anything other champions don't provide who don't fit into a carry role. There are champions with both slows and speed boosts who aren't nunu so why not take them? Granted blood boil is a great too for getting kills but against aggressive harass you'll find yourself pushed against a tower with who someone who can't provide any type of interrupt, shield, or heal(aside from healing himself). I'm not saying it can't work but it requires a very a carry with very high sustain, durability, and harass OR a very docile match up. (In addition blitz wasn't on the list but he works well despite his expensive builds because he provides three abilities that work well for landing carries kills and provide crowd control all the while being able to bait and survive with his passive).
On a side note I prefer having some support who has a more full support build thats viable to their skill set. Sona, Taric, Soraka, Janna all have exceedingly high synergy with aura buffs such as solari, revalrie, will, zekes, frozenheart, ageis, and ect.

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You probably want to wipe nunu from that list. He requires too much farm to be viable for a full support role and does not offer as much as the other support champions do. Malphite is more along a tanky line but his ability to support is limited to by his skill set. Leona can work since she has sufficent CC and poor ability to farm anyway however I don't see Lux on the list who can be very helpful so far as securing kills especially when ganks are being set up.

Anyway I feel as though who you chose as support should be based just as much as your teams set up, and the other teams non carry members as it is their carry. For instance if you have 0 crowd control you might want to rethink that soraka. If you're going duo Que with a friend who is competent enough with graves on the other hand soraka is usually a good choice and you will find yourselves shutting down their farm completely after a few levels.

Oh yeah thats right, Lux could be very effective. I try her out later, lets see if she can do well with Sivir.

[Xenryusho]

Oh yeah thats right, Lux could be very effective. I try her out later, lets see if she can do well with Sivir.

Her binding can set up double or quad hits with boomerang her shield works well with sivirs spell shield and she has some pretty okay damage between singularity and her ult. She does typically run a more expensive build but her utility should help her pay for it if you get enough kills due to it.

[Deleted]

You probably want to wipe nunu from that list. He requires too much farm to be viable for a full support role and does not offer as much as the other support champions do.

that is just plain wrong. nunu doesn't need much farm at all, other than the normal gp5, shureylas, aegis and possibly RoA/banshees if the game goes on long enough for you to get it.

and regarding your edit 2 that is also very wrong. there is no other champ with a similar skill set. blood boil buffs your carry with the highest AS steroid in game (if im not mistaken) and it also gives free movement speed for chasing. then you have E. a crazy slow, which also reduces attack speed, which lets your AD bot trade much easier in bot lane, or it can be used defensively to push a carry back and think twice about coming in for the kill. then when it comes to team fights you can basically make your carry invincible. E their AD so they are doing a lot less damage and stand infront of your carry with ult ready to completely zone out anyone who tries get through. he is so good at protecting and buffing your own carry whilst nerfing theirs it's unreal.

[Deleted]

Sona is the answer to all your questions. She just provides to much for your team and then that ulti. Oh boy.

[Ulaenyth]

taric if there an ad heavy team soraka for AP heavy teams janna if there team is heavy cc's etc great way to counter a nunu ulti or amumu ulti is a flash+jann ulti or to split there team up/save your team and of course sona if there team is allround or if our team is somewhat lacking in cc.

Best way to fuck me over have me first pick and the person i pick for have two support champions for me to get them to pick....

Also i would like to see karam with abit of a remaking brining her support potential upto that of the other key support champions she is a fun champ and can do really well but falls behind really quickly against other supports

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also btw support gp is also very fun good strong poke to keep them thinking twice about going in to hit your ad a speed buff the fact that played well they can't stun you and wail on your carry and a global ulti to help someone push/defend towers he only lacks a heal which with a strong lifesteal champ can be made up for very easily

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Also i would like to see karam with abit of a remaking brining her support potential upto that of the other key support champions she is a fun champ and can do really well but falls behind really quickly against other supports[COLOR="red"]

Karma is just not so much support, i would call her AP carry. I hope they can do some serious change with her, i really wanna play her full support.

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[/COLOR]also btw support gp is also very fun good strong poke to keep them thinking twice about going in to hit your ad a speed buff the fact that played well they can't stun you and wail on your carry and a global ulti to help someone push/defend towers he only lacks a heal which with a strong lifesteal champ can be made up for very easily

support GP is pretty neat, but it does require you to end the game very fast, as he becomes very obsolete in late game.

Sona just provides the best and easiest skillset, she may not have the same niches as some of the other support champs but she can adapt so much better to whatever situation you need. can provide high burst, decent healing, great getaways and a very potent ulti too.
I play sona myself but i have a special place in my heart for Janna, she's just a fun gal.

[Slammin Shaman]

Personally I play Soraka in most randoms, having 3 heals (I use summoner heal), one of them being global, is usually good enough to help carry through lane phase and team fights. Sometimes I play Taric in normal's, but that's usually only if I know the person I'm laning with. Full pre-made or atleast 3 people, Sona all the way.