Unholy help plz

[Shelly]

Although it might be a slight gain, it is still a gain to use Ametrines for yellow sockets that will yield 4Str+.

It is a DPS loss to open with BS. You are using a gimp strike (no diseases) to SLIGHTLY buff your DoT damage.

It is also a DPS loss to DC machine gun now rather than continuing your normal rotation. Unholy really doesn't rely on AMS for RP, and it's more of a defensive CD for the spec. You should of course still use it whenever appropriate.

Well now that I've got your permission ....

[daphoosa]

As frost on the heroic training dummy, I did 7.1k dps
As unholy on the heroic training dummy i did 4.3k dps

EDIT: I changed around a few gems and stared with rotation with a bs like you said and my end dps on the heroic training dummy as Unholy was 5.2k... I still feel I should be doing more... but I talked to the raid leader to ask if he could get our other frost dk to go unholy... we are raiding now with 1 blood 2 frost (me and the other guy)

Make sure you're using a Boss level test dummy. You noted in your original post that you were testing on a level 60 dummy. These are usually stacked together which could cause the generous splash AoE from frost to make it look like it has more DPS that it Unholy.

[Scudamore]

Well now that I've got your permission ....

You have my permission to not give misleading advice.

[Wingwraith]

Try comparing dummy dps between the 2 specs. Other than that we'd probably need logs to check for any obvious issues.

You can't even do that.
Dummy testing is for dummies.

If you want to test something, you have to do it on a simulator or in a raid environment. And even then, doing it in raid is a bit tricky.

[evan_s]

You can't even do that.
Dummy testing is for dummies.

If you want to test something, you have to do it on a simulator or in a raid environment. And even then, doing it in raid is a bit tricky.

Testing on dummies obviously has issues but it's far better than comparing dummy dps to raid dps in ICC.

[alextg94]

Make sure you're using a Boss level test dummy.

Boss level is the heroic training dummy =)

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You can't even do that.
Dummy testing is for dummies.

If you want to test something, you have to do it on a simulator or in a raid environment. And even then, doing it in raid is a bit tricky.

Do simulators work on macs and can you direct me to somewhere or explain to me how to use them?

[Shelly]

You have my permission to not give misleading advice.

I simply stated what works for ME. Now what works for you may be a lot different, but if you come in and just parrot how you do it because EJ says so, well then I know you don't much think for yourself. Also for my particular spec, which is Dirgeless, I like using AMS as both a defensive and offensive CD because it increases the number of DCs I can throw. Also if you aren't using it right then you're doing yourself a disservice.

My spec, which nets me pretty much the same DPS in 4pc10 badge as the OP: http://www.wowhead.com/talent#jZG0xx...zx0uIqo:LbsMV0

To Alex, sorry but I don't know of a simulator for Macs. If you are using boot camp you can download Kahories from:

http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t50274-k...patch_3_3_3_a/

[Dranionz]

try using a priority system
Deseases>SS>DC>BS>HOW

---------- Post added 06-24-2010 at 12:03 AM ----------

oh and as for testing on dummies i would suggest not to because some talents dont work on them and if the targets at 1 hp you unholy blight will only do 1 damage. Plus when your in a raid you have all the buffs you would normally have

[alextg94]

try using a priority system
Deseases>SS>DC>BS>HOW

I will do that ty

[JGWentworth]

[QUOTE=Dranionz;8173566]try using a priority system
Deseases>SS>DC>BS>HOW[COLOR="red"]

---------- Post added 06-24-2010 at 12:03 AM ----------

unholy doesnt have a priority system it has a set in stone rotation. PS/IT/BS/BS/SS/DC -> SS/BS/BS/SS/DC/DC

also the glyph of scourge strike is pretty terrible, I'm sure its not the only reason your dps is lower then you want but you really wan the glyph of icy touch. If you have the badges the herkuml war token parses better then wsf. IDK if someone mentioned it but check your spells and ability levels, if you haven't played unholy much this expansion there is the off hand chance that you are rockin some lower level ranks of your spells.

[Wingwraith]

Do simulators work on macs and can you direct me to somewhere or explain to me how to use them?

The Kahorie sim just recently got a mac port I believe. check out the Kahorie thread on EJ.

---------- Post added 2010-06-24 at 11:53 AM ----------

[QUOTE=Hiboyslol;8176743]

unholy doesnt have a priority system it has a set in stone rotation. PS/IT/BS/BS/SS/DC -> SS/BS/BS/SS/DC/DC

You may want to try alternating your BS and SS like this:
PS/IT/BS/SS/BS/DC
SS/BS/SS/BS/DC/DC

This allows for slightly higher dps (not much mind you) and more flexibility in your rotation.

[alextg94]

The Kahorie sim just recently got a mac port I believe. check out the Kahorie thread on EJ.

I will check that out tyvm.

Also, I would like to report my dps problem for the most part is solved... I did 16k dps last night on Saurfang

I have HWT already... =)
I have been alternating my BS and SS like you said... =)
I am chucking glyph of Scourge Strike and I just bought glyph of Icy touch, thanks! =)

If there is anything to add... Please do so, I want all the help I can get...

[Scudamore]

I will check that out tyvm.

Also, I would like to report my dps problem for the most part is solved... I did 16k dps last night on Saurfang

I have HWT already... =)
I have been alternating my BS and SS like you said... =)
I am chucking glyph of Scourge Strike and I just bought glyph of Icy touch, thanks! =)

If there is anything to add... Please do so, I want all the help I can get...

You did 16k as Unholy without SM? Logs please O.o

[Ralth]

You did 16k as Unholy without SM? Logs please O.o

indeed

[ChildeRoland]

So you are one of the world's 104 best dps, but you are unguilded, and unrecorded. No. Just no.

[Macetodaface]

A priority system will always give you better results than a set rotation which can be thrown off,

1. FF
2. BP
3. DC if next move would go over RP cap
4. BS for desolation
5. SS w/ Desolation up
6. BS
7. DC
8. HoW

General rotation will be IT/PS/BS/SS/BS-Dump-SS/BS/SS/BS-Dump- Repeat



Necrosis doesn't work on dummies, nor will unholy blight, old bugs.I do 6k dps or so on dummies and I've done upwards of 13k on saurfang. Try a raid and then compare your dps. GL

[Wingwraith]

A priority system will always give you better results than a set rotation which can be thrown off,

1. FF
2. BP
3. DC if next move would go over RP cap
4. SS
5. BS
6. DC
7. HoW

General rotation will be IT/PS/SS/BS/BS-Dump-SS/SS/BS/BS-Dump- Repeat

No. The only spec that benefits from a priority is Frost GoIT and this is due to KM & Rime procs.
Unholy Reaping-less does best w/ the following rotation:

IT/PS/BS/SS/BS/DUMP
SS/BS/SS/BS/DUMP

[Macetodaface]

IT/PS/BS/SS/BS/DUMP
SS/BS/SS/BS/DUMP[/QUOTE]

omfg so sry how can I forget Desolation editing rq.

P.S. Rotations are made by following priorities, if it happens to fall into a set loop they call it a rotation so it's easier to follow. Priorities will be better for you though so if you get a revitalize or something, you'll know how to make the best use of it.

[Wingwraith]

P.S. Rotations are made by following priorities, if it happens to fall into a set loop they call it a rotation so it's easier to follow. Priorities will be better for you though so if you get a revitalize or something, you'll know how to make the best use of it.

:-)

Re the Priority vs Rotation issue, you're making it more complicated than it need be. Unholy uses a rotation. You have a little wiggle room to fit in some extra DC's if you're getting external RP, but if you were to follow your priority listed and your pocket Druid and Disc P have you overflowing, then it would be a dps loss to burn through all that RP. You need to maintain your rotation so that your runes are on CD and you don't lose your 2.5 sec(?) grace period.

Priority has it's place in certain fights, but it's not best practice for Unholy in a general sense.