/ignore, /leave trade, useless?

[XeliosX]

The fact that you refuse to give context, or at least even tell us the topic you were discussing. . . You claim it's irrelevant, and that really speaks to the shadiness of your character.
Now, granted there's 9 pages of response, and you may have given the proper context, but it's not on the first page. What is on the first page is saying "Context is irrelevant"
What were you saying? Kill the jews? I don't like swiss cheese? God hates fags? Does this look infected to you?

We all know that the concept of using trade for. . . trade is pretty foreign but here's the deal. You can MAKE custom channels for you and all your friends. Regardless, nobody wants to try to troll someone who's out to troll them, and so they'll never join a custom channel designed for idle chit chat / trolling. It's a lot like barrens chat.
The kids that got laughed out of trade chat go to Barrens. Why? Because they got their asses handed to them in trade, so they've gotta go pick on people who have no interest in trolling (IE: Leveling toons)

Facts are though that the custom channels concept is implemented. If you're having a conversation with 5-6 other people, make a custom channel. All you have to do is type /join LorrelChat and tell your friends (Via whispers, cause you don't want a bunch of other people interrupting -- OH WHAT AM I SAYING, YOU WERE IN TRADE ANYWAY!

There's a saying when it comes to raiding.
"Your $15 a month entitles you to play the game however you see fit.
But the raid's $375 says know your role."

I think it can be nicely modified here:
"You and your friends $90 a month entitle you to use trade for whatever you want.
but the people who want to use trade for trade's $15,000 tells you to shut the hell up and go to a private channel."

Just because you and several friends are having a conversation in trade doesn't give you immunity. It's an awful lot like school if you think about it. Because you have several buddies with you, you feel like you can do anything you want, cause if anyone steps up to you, your friends will jump him.

That guy that reported you is like the nerd who finally had enough and turned you in.
And now you're crying "BOGUS! WEAK! WHY'D YOU TELL ON ME! I DIDN'T DO NOTHING TO YOU! YOU LIMP DICK FUDGE PACKER!"

Frankly, I approve of your ban, for the reasons listed above.
Honestly, if you're not out to troll, how hard is /join lorrelchat and inviting your friends?
You'll get your trivial bullshit out of everyone's way, and you can talk about dead babies all you want.

[ChromWolf]

I got to page 2 and decided I'd seen enough.

Lorrel, the issue is pretty simple. You said said stupid stuff in trade chat, and it happened to offend someone. Not saying it doesn't happen all the time, just that if it's offensive, then you considering why it's offensive > whining about ban.

The "if you don't like it, leave (trade)" argument you make is actually made entirely moot by the fact that you're essentially complaining on a forum about the events that took place. Your argument is ENTIRELY applicable to yourself: if you don't like how trade channel is, leave it yourself, or stop playing. The suggestion is equally powerful and applicable to either party in the dispute.

Lastly, saying something offensive, even though you did apologize, and then playing the "if you don't like it, leave" card is slightly less than what I would call "endearing". It basically shows you don't *really* care that you could have offended anyone. Not saying that's bad necessarily, just saying it helped put you in the spot you find yourself in. You say the offended party couldn't just drop it. The problem is, neither could you. You could have said "jk, jk" as you said, and just left it alone. Just don't respond further, and let the offended party fume a bit and cool off. I'd wager to guess you wouldn't have been reported.

Forgive this assessment, but.... Someone on page 2 called "ah needz attenshun" shenanigans. Seconded.

[boseguy22]

OMG this is still going? Apparently he is a good TROLL if he got 10 pages worth of MMO champion posts

[Daez]

I seem to have missed the part where pedophilia was mentioned. Anybody else here a might confused?

Also: Ignoring people does not require leaving the channel. The OP's opposition in this case refused to do so. And to reiterate in more plane terms, the reason for said opposition being offended was never stated.

I believe it was on page 2 where the op comes right out and says he was making a "joke" about sleeping with 8 year olds.

---------- Post added 2010-08-04 at 03:35 PM ----------

we lose a good 6-7 people because some little kid couldn't be bothered to mute me.

Yeah, that must be it. It couldn't possibly have been that they didn't want to be a captive audience to what you call music either. Nope, can't possibly be it. I have to say that I wouldn't say anything to you, but if the choice was between listening to your music BY FORCE because the raid leader wouldn't tell you to cut it off or leave the raid you best believe my ass is bailing.

---------- Post added 2010-08-04 at 03:39 PM ----------

I'm Jewish. When people type "lfm Heroic Auschwitz, must have FR gear", or some lv. 1 alt named Hitler is guild recruiting for <Lolocaust>, you know what I do? I cuss them out and call them names. It bothers me, yea, but this is a video game. Why exactly do you care about these random people's opinions?

I could give a rats ass about these people's random opinions. However, they seem to believe I should because they try to force them down my throat in a public forum. I only let people shove things down my throat when I chose to, so I report spam for morons that think their right to say something is more important than my right not to hear it.

[Buckwald]

What I really love is when someone who is doing something, not only childish, but something incredibly offensive/rude and then gets punished for it. I love watching them react. I love it! There are rules, plain and simple. If Blizzard, the creator of the rules, says you broke them and banned you, then you deserve it. And to top it off you might get a perma-ban because of your response to the GM. Even better! This type of thread just solidifies the whole "Internet Superhero" mentality that people have these days. You got what you deserved. It's life, kid. Deal with it.

[Daez]

Ye, cause when I say something I should be carefull cause some person I never met nor ever will might have been hurt. I'm not saying I shouldn't give a damn but for that person to expect people to censor themselves just because there might be some person who will be ofended, is just stupid.

I don't really give a shit what you say in the privacy of your tells, party, guild or whatever else. However, when you take it to the public channel, then it becomes an issue. I don't give a damn if you are a racist homophobic asshole just don't express your views in the company of people that aren't racist homophobic assholes and all is well with the world. Public channels bring mixed audiences, and rather you know these people or not you should still respect their rights to live with respect and dignity.

At this rate no one should ever talk about murder, rape, pedophilia, WW2, racism, hell school bullying, etc cause there might be someone out there who has suffered because of it and will be offended.

Talking about them is fine. Glorifying them (or in the case of the Holocaust, denying they ever even happened) makes you look like a dick. In the public world, their is no ban button only a good ole ass kicking for offending someone.

It's the fucking world, deal with it! Yes, you have been hurt, it's a tragedy but the Earth doesn't spin around you and people are entitled to talk about whatever the fuck they want without fear some person they never met nor ever will is getting offended.

Wouldn't that basically mean that the person doing the talking thinks the world evolves around them. Seriously, I mean, they feel they have the right to voice their opinion no matter who is offended, so they must think the world revolves around them. Oh, I get it, you have nothing against someone feeling the world revolves around them as long as that someone is you. Thanks for clarifying!

---------- Post added 2010-08-04 at 04:00 PM ----------

Actually, the people that give out such ratings are not opposed to telling us what they mean....

http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp

Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for ages 13 and older. Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling, and/or infrequent use of strong language.

However, Blizzard decides what is and is not acceptable in their games. The rating system goes off of Blizzard's decision. Its not the other way around. Technically you can not agree to create an account in WOW unless you are over 18 because doing so requires you to agree to the TOS and EULA which are considered legal contracts and you can not technically agree to a legal contract unless you are 18.

[5648945621]

So I'm having a conversation in trade chat and someone gets offended. This is nothing new to me as someone always always gets offended and throws a fit. As always, I apologize for offending them and remind them that if they do not like the conversation topic you can leave trade chat. At this point, this person gets unbelievably offended telling me I've broken the ToS, this game is designed so everyone can enjoy it, why should they have to leave and not me, etc.

At which point I had lost patience and said, if you're that offended, ignore me. Problem solved. No. That was too hard. Instead, this person opens a ticket complains to a GM and gets me suspended for 2 days (pending a permanent ban based on my lovely response to the GM).

My question is why has this game turned into a care bear circle jerk in which people will simply complain until they get what they want? They do it with everything in this game. Specifically in this situation is why can people simply just ignore someone? Or leave trade or anything else?

Is someone says something in trade chat that you don't like do you just ignore them or do you go balls out bonkers and report them to the point they get suspended?

*waits for trolls*

What did you say that made him offended? Since you got banned for 2 days i assume you said something really bad

[Winlol]

What did you say that made him offended? Since you got banned for 2 days i assume you said something really bad

Maybe you should read the thread (try page 2, do a ctrl-f for lorrel to see what he says).

[Epicurean]

This. And for everyone else who replies with this. Forget the context. It's irrelevant.

For the sake of the topic just say someone hypothetically said something in trade chat that wasn't directed to you in anyway, but you were offended by the topic of the conversation. Upon making your opinion known, the person apologizes and says just leave trade or ignore me. Do you go on a self-righteous crusade to make your point known and ban them or just ignore them and be done with it?

The context is important because the response is going to be based upon it. Also, telling people to leave or put you on ignore is silly. That is simply saying, "What I'm doing is more important than being courteous to anyone else.." and makes you out to be a complete jackass.

If I were to get on a bus, in an elevator, or waiting at the line in the DMV/Bank/Whatever and you were having a conversation with anyone that everyone could overhear and I decided to speak up because it was offensive, do you think the correct action would be to tell me to ignore you or leave? No.

The ability to make conversations private is there. You're using a public area, trade chat, to have what could easily be a private conversation; thus avoiding the whole situation.

Instead you decided that you were too important.

Also, GM's don't suspend people just because they talk in Trade chat. You were either discussion something clearly against the ToS or harassing the person that decided to say something to you. Your comments also imply that you had something particularly stupid or smart-mouthed to say to the GM. All of which would lead me to believe that trade chat is better off without you for two days or indefinitely.

[Deleted]

Actually, the USA is the only country with no limits on free speech. In other countries, if you make racist, sexist, homophobic comments or comment about rape, child rape and incest you are most likely going to get fined for it. If the press does so, they will most likely get fined for it as well.[COLOR="red"]

Lol, really... I mean... really?
You have more chances on that in any European country than the US, imo.
Been to US once and I made a silly gay like behaviour and I almost got fined for it, when I do the same joke on the cops on Holland they shrug it off or laugh at it.