/ignore, /leave trade, useless?

[Heywes]

Your lucky that you said it in game and thats all you got.

[Floreon]

The biggest thing I always notice about this type of thread is that 90% of the time, everyone is wrong. It seems that so many people get so anal about people goofing off on the internet and harp on the idea of being politically incorrect that even by trying to be the bigger person and be what society brands as mature, you're really not any better than the people that dont give a damn and swear in public. People shouldn't be so focused on proving they're better people than others just like people shouldn't be so focused on themself. There has to be some middle ground between "You did something wrong so I hate you forever" and "(insert something horrible here that even my sexy times with kumduh couldnt get me unbanned from)".

The ideal solution really is that there should be a world chat channel of some sort, maybe even one that's designed for "I'm 18 and over and if someone says fuck I'm not going to cry" or something. Ideally trade should be used for trade, but until there's an alternative, trade will be city chat.

[placeholdername]

Yes, god forbid someone gets banned for talking about pedophilia. It's not like the person who reported them could have, I don't know, been touched as a child. That never happens. At any rate, they should leave a public channel about trading so the OP and his friend can talk about their Pedophilia jokes.

And insulting that GM wasn't worth a ban, either. I don't care if he's just doing his job, I pay 15 bucks a month to be offensive and badmouth those who keep this game running!

I seem to have missed the part where pedophilia was mentioned. Anybody else here a might confused?

Also: Ignoring people does not require leaving the channel. The OP's opposition in this case refused to do so. And to reiterate in more plane terms, the reason for said opposition being offended was never stated.

[Tyberes]

people do need to seriously chill out... just live and not take shit anonymous dudes over the internet say seriously

i do agree however with the whole "dude, you can /ignore me...." thing.

A while back a bud of mine was leading a raid, i was streaming some soft music in vent. ("swing life away - rise against" personally i don't see any trouble in that) so this kid started flipping out saying it sucks and he refused to be in vent. i said "no worries bro, my mic is broken so i won't be saying anything of import tonight, so feel free to mute me" then he just goes off. event then play out and we lose a good 6-7 people because some little kid couldn't be bothered to mute me.
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it just occurred to me that i play on detheroc, a festering rotting corpse of a server, we've been left to die so i suppose standards could be higher for a real server. however! anything deemed truly offensive should be dealt with in a mature and reasonable manner, not fit throwing!

[placeholdername]

people do need to seriously chill out... just live and not take shit anonymous dudes over the internet say seriously

i do agree however with the whole "dude, you can /ignore me...." thing.

A while back a bud of mine was leading a raid, i was streaming some soft music in vent. ("swing life away - rise against" personally i don't see any trouble in that) so this kid started flipping out saying it sucks and he refused to be in vent. i said "no worries bro, my mic is broken so i won't be saying anything of import tonight, so feel free to mute me" then he just goes off. event then play out and we lose a good 6-7 people because some little kid couldn't be bothered to mute me.
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"Rise Against" and "suck" in the same sentence?! A travesty of justice! This cannot go unpunished!

[Lightfist]

I seem to have missed the part where pedophilia was mentioned. Anybody else here a might confused?

Also: Ignoring people does not require leaving the channel. The OP's opposition in this case refused to do so. And to reiterate in more plane terms, the reason for said opposition being offended was never stated.

Reread the thread.

Someone said something about pedophilia, the OP said "8 or GTFO". Apparently, he then said he was "JKing", but that is completely beside the point. The title OF THE THREAD even says /leave trade. He is suggesting that you should leave trade if you're offended by such subjects as pedophilia.

[OmnomGosuLOL]

I love trade personally. When I need to use it for anything trade-related, I always get a tell within seconds. I like the social conversations that go on as well. Sure, it gets little crazy at peak hours, and sure, people troll and talk about messed up things that offend people. I've just learned to sit back and laugh at the clever one liners, and the general pandaemonium that can spawn at any given moment, be it through anal jokes, Thunderfury spams, or whining about a ninja'ed Twilight drake. Take the good with the bad.

I'm Jewish. When people type "lfm Heroic Auschwitz, must have FR gear", or some lv. 1 alt named Hitler is guild recruiting for <Lolocaust>, you know what I do? I cuss them out and call them names. It bothers me, yea, but this is a video game. Why exactly do you care about these random people's opinions?

For the record, I do troll trade chat some times. I do it while waiting for raids to assemble, or queueing for arenas. its mostly just dumb memes, like "where can you buy animals to ride on?" or "art though angry brah?"

I guess I have an immature sense of humor, I just like engaging people and seeing where a random internet conversation can go when a random statement is thrown into the middle of trade. the responses I get sometimes still make me laugh. I get involved in the serious conversations as well.

I know I'm repeating myself... I tend to do that. I guess I just don't think its all that bad that trade chat is off topic. it would be incredibly boring, in my opinion if all you ever read while hanging around dal doing random things was,

"WTB x <insert item here> paying y gold, please pst "z""

[Deleted]

Same thing happened to me. Was discussing things in GENERAL, not even trade. And then someone comes and plays mr carebare. I tell him ''If you don't like it, why don't you ignore me?'' The replies '' i don't believe in the ignore system, but the report one will do'' Didn't get banned though, but i GM did contact me and gave me a little warning. Anyways, point is that it's very irritating how wow has turned into the world of 12 year olds and carebares.

[Fenixdown]

Same thing happened to me. Was discussing things in GENERAL, not even trade. And then someone comes and plays mr carebare. I tell him ''If you don't like it, why don't you ignore me?'' The replies '' i don't believe in the ignore system, but the report one will do'' Didn't get banned though, but i GM did contact me and gave me a little warning. Anyways, point is that it's very irritating how wow has turned into the world of 12 year olds and carebares.

If I may, on this note.

You do realize that 12-year-olds play this game, correct? That does not necessarily mean that every person opposed to foul language, suggestive dialogue, ect. being publicly displayed is a "12-year-old carebear", but perhaps they have children, or perhaps they have been subjected to such topics and those are very sensitive.

The moral of this story is, that at the end of it all, it's not the offended person's responsibility to be forced to police your actions. It is your own responsibility. The suspension was legit, what the OP did clearly falls under punishable guidelines. The person who reported him for such actions had every legal and legitimate right to do so, no matter his or her circumstances as to why they did so.

You know that huge thing you scroll through after every major patch? Maybe people that think like the person I quoted should take 30 seconds to read over it. Essentially, if you act like the OP, jokingly or otherwise, you are subject to punishment. If you don't want to be punished....wait for it....waaaaaaaait for it....

...don't act like that.

Holy crap, the problem was solved. And do you know what the cause of the problem was in the first place? It wasn't the person that reported you. It was you all along.

If it could get you kicked out of a public building for saying it and offending someone, why do you think you have some justification for saying it on a a public social networking platform such as WoW's trade chat? Would you make pedophile jokes in front of a mother and get mad at her for being offended? Would you make racist jokes in front of a black person and get mad at them for being offended? Would you make jokes about the Holocaust in front of a Jewish person and get mad at them for being offended? No. You know why? Because they would probably turn right around and slug you.

If it gets you slugged in person, don't say it online. Look, I fixed yours, the OP's, and everyone else's issues. I must be a genius.

Common sense, people. Go to eBay and buy as much of it as you can, because clearly you all lack it.

[Tilions]

You used the trade-channel for something that wasen't related to trading - You can't complain for being punished

[Shawaam]

If it wasn't for all the conversations/trolling, trade chat would be nothing more than a few people spamming "WTS [crap you don't want] for [way more than it's worth]g - pst."

I, for one, will take the trolling over that.

Too bad that is what it is designed for. Professions and selling/buying is what trade is about. Ever since the removal of the good old world wide lfg-channel, trade have been overspammed.

[Bigsilly]

Really, 8 pages and no one has called Troll

[Chomag7]

Yes, god forbid someone gets banned for talking about pedophilia. It's not like the person who reported them could have, I don't know, been touched as a child. That never happens. At any rate, they should leave a public channel about trading so the OP and his friend can talk about their Pedophilia jokes.

Ye, cause when I say something I should be carefull cause some person I never met nor ever will might have been hurt. I'm not saying I shouldn't give a damn but for that person to expect people to censor themselves just because there might be some person who will be ofended, is just stupid.

At this rate no one should ever talk about murder, rape, pedophilia, WW2, racism, hell school bullying, etc cause there might be someone out there who has suffered because of it and will be offended.

It's the fucking world, deal with it! Yes, you have been hurt, it's a tragedy but the Earth doesn't spin around you and people are entitled to talk about whatever the fuck they want without fear some person they never met nor ever will is getting offended.

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[jaimelannister]

Ye, cause when I say something I should be carefull cause some person I never met nor ever will might have been hurt. I'm not saying I shouldn't give a damn but for that person to expect people to censor themselves just because there might be some person who will be ofended, is just stupid.

At this rate no one should ever talk about murder, rape, pedophilia, WW2, racism, hell school bullying, etc cause there might be someone out there who has suffered because of it and will be offended.

It's the fucking world, deal with it! Yes, you have been hurt, it's a tragedy but the Earth doesn't spin around you and people are entitled to talk about whatever the fuck they want without fear some person they never met nor ever will is getting offended.

Your argument might have some merit if you hadn't agreed specifically not to discuss such things when you accepted the ToS prior to playing WoW. Lol.

[Shirtlessguy]

Not having the context of what you said little judgment can be rendered but (I might be totally off base) it might be nice to see trade chat used ... for trade.

I get trade is used for everything, but people have made trolling the sole reason for playing the game and some (not necessarily you) people waste so much time on the ANAL [insert skill/talent/item], Real World Politics, blizz bitching, religion, raid building, or just plain being rude, and all I wanted was to find a gem cheaper than the Auction House.

I'm honestly not opposed to any GM action that gets idiots out of trade and it being used to actually do business in wow.

I think he just hit every problem in trade chat...

[Laughriot]

Ye, cause when I say something I should be carefull cause some person I never met nor ever will might have been hurt. I'm not saying I shouldn't give a damn but for that person to expect people to censor themselves just because there might be some person who will be ofended, is just stupid.

At this rate no one should ever talk about murder, rape, pedophilia, WW2, racism, hell school bullying, etc cause there might be someone out there who has suffered because of it and will be offended.

It's the fucking world, deal with it! Yes, you have been hurt, it's a tragedy but the Earth doesn't spin around you and people are entitled to talk about whatever the fuck they want without fear some person they never met nor ever will is getting offended.

But it's not "the world." It's World of Warcraft. A specific area of "the world" that has specific rules relating to conduct. You shouldn't censor yourself because you might offend some "carebear." You should censor yourself because it's against the rules to do otherwise, and you can be punished for it. If losing your access to the game doesn't concern you, feel free to spam offensive content. If, however, losing your game access DOES concern you, I suggest you watch your language in public chat channels. Otherwise, expect consequences, and don't be surprised when you incur them.

[Deleted]

Ye, cause when I say something I should be carefull cause some person I never met nor ever will might have been hurt. I'm not saying I shouldn't give a damn but for that person to expect people to censor themselves just because there might be some person who will be ofended, is just stupid.

At this rate no one should ever talk about murder, rape, pedophilia, WW2, racism, hell school bullying, etc cause there might be someone out there who has suffered because of it and will be offended.

It's the fucking world, deal with it! Yes, you have been hurt, it's a tragedy but the Earth doesn't spin around you and people are entitled to talk about whatever the fuck they want without fear some person they never met nor ever will is getting offended.

What people like you seem to miss out on is that playing WoW and voice of opinion while doing so isn't a human right. I agree with your logic to some extent - if you have a good reason to say what you want to say (e.g. not just being a douchebag aiming topics to offend people deliberately), then say it even if some people get offended. In most world countries, you have a right to opinion and the means to voice it, even if the opinion is considered immoral or taboo. I might not always agree with your opinions, but I shall always respect your rights to have and voice them.

However: World of Warcraft is a private property. You pay to play the game, and agree to rules that state you can get banned for misbehaving and offending people in doing so.

A comparison is that if you stand in the middle of a private mall and shout political propaganda that the owners of the mall don't like, they have all the rights to remove you from their property. You have the right to speak your propaganda in the streets outside the mall, but when you visit a private zone, your cherished voice of opinion is at the mercy of whoever owns it.

The only real issue I find with this comparison is a small difference - You usually don't sign a contract stating you may not joke about pedophilia when you enter a mall. In World of Warcraft, you do.

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@Laughriot - Reporting everyone for everything is just stupid. There is a profanity filter for that reason. If you don't like what someone is saying IGNORE THEM. Problem solved. You don't see it. It's not your problem.

@Kooshkrusher - If you called every single infraction listed in the ToS a hell of a lot of people would get banned. It's just a matter of how many people get emo over something and can't simply ignore it. Again, just ignore someone. Problem solved.



@Chambraigne - No. Your logic is flawed. If there is a conversation topic you don't like. Ignore the person(s). Problem solved. If there are 10 people talking about something you don't like. Leave trade or deal it with while you have business in trade. Don't report every single one of them. If I don't like a conversation I leave or ignore the person(s). Simple. I don't have to deal with it.

@pitatoher - Refer to Kooshkrusher

@Myrlae - You act like your surpirsed that people don't use trade chat for nothing but trade related things. Guild spam, general conversation, etc. You might as well report someone for recruiting for guilds, raids or anything unrelated to trade whatsoever.

@NatePsychotic - Again, if you banned everyone for any infraction of the ToS 60% of the population would be banned. Also, again, there is a profanity filter for people who do not want to see profanity.

@Tyrianth - Only two people admitted to be offended. However, a hell of a lot more agreed with me saying they should have just ignored me or left trade chat. Besides, as I've said, I did apologize.

@TheDrsour - And I hope you get stabbed in the eye with a rusty fork for having no real input. =D

@Rayzan - Your sex talk in the break room analogy was interesting. But, let me add a few details to relate this situation to it. Several people are talking about sex in the break room. One person in the corner says "hey I'm offended by that." To which someone replies, "alright, sorry, we'll talk quieter". The person in the corner then says "No. You're not allowed to talk about sex at all. It's against company policy. I'm telling the boss." The only difference between that and WoW is the ignore feature doesn't let you see anything at all.

@Schmoopsy - I already stated I was polite at the beginning until the guy would not drop the subject at which point I became the douche everyone refers too - and I had more people agreeing with me than people opposed. And yeah, if I don't get a permanent ban after my follow up email to blizzard, I will be quite surprised.

@shokter - So you're going to take the time to report every. single. person. that links anything related to anal or rowan's rifle? Here's a simple solution: If you don't like what's going on in trade and have no reason to be there LEAVE.

@emni - So, what you're saying is you're just as big as a douche bag as the person you're reporting/trying to get banned because you don't like what's going on in trade? Again. Ignore. The end. And you don't come off as a douche bag yourself. So what you're saying is that if you don't like something that's being said, report them, hope they get banned so you don't have to deal with it? That's pretty selfish.

@iWolfBanei - You have the right idea. If you don't want to read trade, leave trade. If you have a reason to be there you'll have have to deal with the 10,000 so-called idiots linking anal. It's just an unfortunate problem. There is a guy on my realm that constantly spams racist slurs and has a guild for "whites" only. But you know what? He's not banned. Funny how that works...

@Holytoast - Trade chat IS for trading. But is that what's it used for? No. Is it unfortunate? Yes. Again, if I were to report someone for every single thing that I disliked in this game, tickets would take a lot longer than they do now to be resolved.

@Endler89 - I'm not being completely selfish asking someone to ignore me. And yeah, I've gotten people banned before by getting 11 people to report someone. It was only 24 hours but it worked. Blizzard doesn't have the brightest working for them.

@Cilraaz - I never said the person I offended had to stop what they were doing. I simply said to ignore me. It was an easy enough solution than reporting someone every time someone says something on the internet that gets you all butt hurt.

@tanked - I have no doubt I've offended people online before but no one has been so damn emo over something before. I think the majority of people can simply ignore someone and it'll the be end of it. Don't have to listen to me. But every once and a while some self-righteous douche comes along and pushes things too far. Simply ignoring someone is too hard. They have to report and push for a ban because they said something they didn't like. AMG THIS PERSON SAID SOMETHING I DIDN'T LIKE BLIZZARD! BAN THEM!!!!11!11ONE!!1 BAN THEM!!!! QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ

@Land Hoe - Were you there? Do you know what happened?

@diemor - Refer to Land Hoe

@Fizikz - I have no problem telling Blizzard what I think. They never listen anyway.

One thing out of all your otherwise bullshite i'd like to point out is;

Leave trade or deal it with while you have business in trade. Don't report every single one of them. If I don't like a conversation I leave or ignore the person(s). Simple. I don't have to deal with it.

I'm sorry not all people are like you, Amazing eh, Instead of having to read immature morons like yourself daily in Trade they'd rather take a few secands of there time to report idiots like yourself, so a the community as a whole doesnt have to deal with you. Welcome to the real world sunshine, go outside and smell the fresh air.

[linjon]

long thread, read the first few, last few posts. Glad to see ppl like you being suspended. Hope you get permabanned. There are plenty of places you can go and say stupid stuff. You don't need to do it in wow. Funny how you are so arrogant/ clueless when you admit you offend someone almost every day.Uhh, maybe it's you.