Is normal NH doable with 850 ilvl gear?

[Jaylock]

Same goes for all raids.

Do you think that NH is doable with everyone only wearing 850 ilvl gear? 850 is the ilvl you get out of Normal EN which is the raid right before Nighthold.

If you DO think its possible, then why would you or wouldn't you accept people with an ilvl of 850 into your raid?

[Eleccybubb]

Doable but with some effort. Personally no though. My NH Normal pugs I ask people for Betrayer and 880-890 which is my own item level so I can just rush it. Not a raid I like personally but it's gear so I'd rather just get it done for the week.

[Jaylock]

Doable but with some effort. Personally no though. My NH Normal pugs I ask people for Betrayer and 880-890 which is my own item level so I can just rush it. Not a raid I like personally but it's gear so I'd rather just get it done for the week.

I was just cussed at in general chat for posting: "LFM Normal NH, 895+ w/ achieve. PST"

I wrote this because the guy after telling me to go die said that NH is doable in 850 gear (i looked him up and he was 854 ilvl)

[Emerald Archer]

I'd say the first 3, definitely possible with ease, then the rest would be progression, you'd get gear and therefore go up in ilvl. I don't think you could full clear at 850 but I think you could progress through. Anyone who only had 850 and could only do EN normal, would have normal as their "progression" difficulty, therefore would have to slowly progress through NH and end up being a higher ilvl than 850.

TL;DR I don't think a 15man grp of 850s could kill every boss in there, and even if they could, I still wouldn't invite 850s to my own raid.

I'm over 900ilvl, and am a mythic raider, there's a lot of things I'd like to do in my time in WoW, especially after 7.2 comes out when i'll be re-farming for my AP traits. So losing an extra 30minutes-1hr on a normal NH clear, is a huge waste for me, because I could be doing m+ in that time.

I don't expect people to be my ilvl in the normal clears, but I do it for AP/Legendary chances/TF chances, and can easily get 20-29 other like-minded players 880+. So Ofc I do that.

[Eleccybubb]

I was just cussed at in general chat for posting: "LFM Normal NH, 895+ w/ achieve. PST"

I wrote this because the guy after telling me to go die said that NH is doable in 850 gear (i looked him up and he was 854 ilvl)

Sounds immature if you ask me. End of the day if you don't like a groups requirements you are free to make your own.

[Bigbazz]

No is the realistic answer you're looking for. Unless you're assembling a world class team of ilvl850 twinks.

[Zeidia]

doable =/= people request as minimum ilvl

I usually ask for 900+ curve for NH NM and hc each wednesday and i do both raids in 4-5 hours total as a raid leader (creating the groups + doing the bosses). Ofc you can do it with a lot less (even with 850 if people is skilled enough) but if you can ask for 900 and fill up a raid in short time with that minimum why you should ask for less? high geared people wanna do it fast not to progress and if i'm a asshole who claim too much ilvl for NM/HC i wouldn't do both raids in less than 5 hours, but i do each wednesday since 5 saves ago.

[Marrilaife]

If you DO think its possible, then why would you or wouldn't you accept people with an ilvl of 850 into your raid?

Guild or pug? Progress run or zerg / farm run? Obviously to zerg you need to overgear the place, majority of pugs can't stand wipes so it must be a zerg overgear type of run, and also big portion of pugs severely underperform in comparison to "max for your current ilvl". Another factor is most of these groups don't plan or communicate so it needs to be forgiving on mistakes / miscommunications.

In a similar manner you can ask is pre-7.2 mythic0 doable with a team of 800 ilvl people? Yea. People have done it at the start of expansion quite often to gear up fast. Would I try to do them now in a group of only 800s? Unless I know every single of them and can rely on their skill, hell nope.

[Saybel]

Who cares when you can kill almost every boss in sub 4 minutes with half the raid doing 1 million DPS. I'll never go to low ilvl groups on my main because I just want legendary chance/AP/TF chance

[skindown]

Try to set your own raid full of 850's and do it

I hate carrying people, unless I know them

Short answer: no, you can't

Long answer: you can be carried easily though

[MrLachyG]

I was just cussed at in general chat for posting: "LFM Normal NH, 895+ w/ achieve. PST"

I wrote this because the guy after telling me to go die said that NH is doable in 850 gear (i looked him up and he was 854 ilvl)

given that Normal NH only drops 875+ gear asking for 895 is counterproductive as most people at 895 dont need gear from normal other than the random titanforged upgrade. 850 might be a little low, especially since lfr nighthold drops better than that. I would say 860 as a minimum for NH normal is acceptable though.

that being said, if you make the group you set the rules - if you want a fast run for AP/legendary drops then sure advertise high so you blast through it fast. if you want to help gear people, then set it lower. or hell, advertise high but accept a couple of lower ilvl people to gear them up. its really your call

[Heywes]

given that Normal NH only drops 875+ gear asking for 895 is counterproductive as most people at 895 dont need gear from normal other than the random titanforged upgrade. 850 might be a little low, especially since lfr nighthold drops better than that. I would say 860 as a minimum for NH normal is acceptable though.

that being said, if you make the group you set the rules - if you want a fast run for AP/legendary drops then sure advertise high so you blast through it fast. if you want to help gear people, then set it lower. or hell, advertise high but accept a couple of lower ilvl people to gear them up. its really your call

I'd agree with this. It would be doable but would take solid skill. 860-865 would be doable and safer.

[Deleted]

Same goes for all raids.

Do you think that NH is doable with everyone only wearing 850 ilvl gear? 850 is the ilvl you get out of Normal EN which is the raid right before Nighthold.

If you DO think its possible, then why would you or wouldn't you accept people with an ilvl of 850 into your raid?

Its the same old discussion.

Yes, its doable. But it will be quite challenging. With 850, some enrage timers are tight if the complete raid has that gear. Adds on Aluriel, Ticho, Krosus come to mind.

Since you can easily get better then 850 through WF/TF and weekly quests (like the one last week) that award NH gear its quite trivial to have better then 850. The Raid before NH is ToV btw, and you get better gear then in EN there.

If you add 940 legendaries, it should be quite easy to have 865 for NH nhc, and thats a reasonable ilvl to comfortably do the encounters - even if you have never stepped into an HC raid.

[Gully Man]

I wouldn't accept them at 850 just because they'd have to be playing very well at that item level to make the raid successful and you can't rely on that in a random group. At the same time asking for 895 (although it's entirely up to you as you're forming the group) is in my opinion complete overkill.

[Deleted]

well.... 850 gear plus 2 legendaries 940 makes you already 860+

[Lochton]

Same goes for all raids.

Do you think that NH is doable with everyone only wearing 850 ilvl gear? 850 is the ilvl you get out of Normal EN which is the raid right before Nighthold.

If you DO think its possible, then why would you or wouldn't you accept people with an ilvl of 850 into your raid?

It is doable but it would lack down the rest of the team. A better choice would be to stick to 870 (865) and it should be fine for them to pull their own.

Though, asking for 895 ilvl for normal, that is a bit of a high shoot, and would in many cases make people believe that you are boosting one or more.

[DechCJC]

Of course it's doable, probably wouldn't be too fun if it's a pug but it's definitely doable. 870 seems right, 890 should be an absolute faceroll.

[Ferrair]

If you're asking as a guild group, it's doable, hard but you'll pull through. Krosus/Tich/Star might be a little challenging.

If you're asking as a pug group, hell no, not a chance, never in a million years, shit no, zilch, nada, ZERO.

[D3athsting]

You can probably do first 3 bosses, from aluriel on things start getting harder

[Swiftshadow]

doable =/= people request as minimum ilvl

I usually ask for 900+ curve for NH NM and hc each wednesday and i do both raids in 4-5 hours total as a raid leader (creating the groups + doing the bosses). Ofc you can do it with a lot less (even with 850 if people is skilled enough) but if you can ask for 900 and fill up a raid in short time with that minimum why you should ask for less? high geared people wanna do it fast not to progress and if i'm a asshole who claim too much ilvl for NM/HC i wouldn't do both raids in less than 5 hours, but i do each wednesday since 5 saves ago.

if it's your own group, by all mean require 1000 ilvl if you want. As long as you can form the group with these requirements within a time you can tolerate, it's your freedom and right to do so. Personally I understand this because I feel irritated whenever I tank for a mythic regular pub and end up being #1 in trash dps meters. Only after checking do I realize the dpsers are only 840 or below. Just ytd i encountered a hunter with 800ilvl in a mythic regular Nel Lair.

However there is some validity to why other people feel outraged towards this. I think since Nighthold drops 875 gear on average, a fair requirement would be 870-875 at most. These people might have a few slots to upgrade. Requiring 885-900+ for Normal NH is like expecting a supervisor who earns $30 per hour to do a job that only gives $15 per hour. Why would he even need or want to?