Patch 4.1 Preview -- Dungeon Finder: Call to Arms
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
In patch 4.1 we'll be introducing Dungeon Finder: Call to Arms, a new system intended to lower queue times. Call to Arms will automatically detect which class role is currently the least represented in the queue, and offer them additional rewards for entering the Dungeon Finder queue and completing a random level-85 Heroic dungeon.

Any time the Dungeon Finder queue is longer than a few minutes for level-85 Heroics, the Call to Arms system kicks in and determines which role is the least represented. In the case of tanking being the least represented role, the "Call to Arms: Tanks" icon will display in the Dungeon Finder UI menu where class roles are selected, and will also display on the UI when the queue pops and you are selected to enter a dungeon. Regardless of your role, you'll always be able to see which role currently has been Called to Arms, if any.

Call to Arms is meant to lower wait times by offering additional rewards for queuing as the currently least represented role. To be eligible for the additional rewards you must solo queue for a random level-85 Heroic in the role that is currently being Called to Arms, and complete the dungeon by killing the final boss. Every time you hit these requirements (there is no daily limit) you'll receive a goodie bag that will contain some gold, a chance at a rare gem, a chance at a flask/elixir (determined by spec), a good chance of receiving a non-combat pet (including cross faction pets), and a very rare chance at receiving a mount. The pets offered come from a wide variety of sources, and include companions like the Razzashi Hatchling, Cockatiel, and Tiny Sporebat, but the mounts are those specifically only available through dungeons (not raids), like the Reins of the Raven Lord from Sethekk Halls, Swift White Hawkstrider from Magister's Terrace, and Deathcharger's Reins from Stratholme.

This system is meant to address the unacceptable queue times currently being experienced by those that queue for the DPS role at max level. The long queue times are, of course, caused by a very simple lack of representation in the Dungeon Finder by tanks, and to some extent healers. We don't feel the tanking and healing roles have any inherent issues that are causing the representation disparity, except that fulfilling them carries more responsibility. Understandably, players prefer to take on that responsibility in more organized situations than what the Dungeon Finder offers, but perhaps we can bribe them a little. While this system gives tanks and healers something extra, the incentive is being provided so that we can help players in the DPS role get into more dungeons, get better gear, and continue progressing.

While the gold, gems, flasks, and elixirs are OK incentives, we knew we needed something more substantial. We had briefly considered Valor Points and epics, but decided that wouldn't be working toward the goal of helping DPS players progress, and ultimately wouldn't keep tanks and healers in the Dungeon Finder system for very long. We settled on pets and dungeon-found mounts as they’re cosmetic/achievement items that players tend to try to get on their own, so why not change that up and offer them a chance to get some of those elusive pets and mounts in a way that also helps other players? Even if they don't get a pet or mount, or get one they already have, the gold and other goodies still feel rewarding enough that it won't feel like a waste of effort.

We think it's a pretty solid incentive to get tanks and healers queuing, give max-level players another way to collect the pets and mounts they so desire, and above all, to improve wait times for DPS players sitting in queues. In the case of lower level dungeons, it's actually not uncommon for DPS to be the least represented role, and so if this new system works out and we're pleased with the results, we may consider applying this same mechanic to lower level dungeons as well.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Patch 4.1 Preview -- Dungeon Finder: Call to Arms started by Boubouille View original post
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  1. mmoc3a779c5103's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Beetlejuice View Post
    Maybe its you who should try to think at all. If call of arms is not up for healers or tanks that means there are plenty of them already in queue so it is actually a good thing that they don't queue up then.

    Prime example of how stupid ppl are in this thread. DPS who complain all the time about to long queue times now complain about the only possible solution to this problem. Honestly, play a damn tank or heal if you think they have it so much better, otherwise YOU are part of the problem so you better shut the fuck up very fast.

    You can't fly first class and complain about those guys flying economy having to pay so much less for their ticket. If you don't wanna pay for fist class get an economy ticket, but don't buy first and then complain about the price. Really have no idea how i could put it any more clear so that even those dumb 8 year old self absorbed spoiled brats that seem to make up 80% off all dps (at least if you take this thread as a realistic representation) understand it.
    "I would strongly(!) suggest that EVERYBODY in this thread should have a look at the text I quoted"
  1. mmoc881fcc0b2c's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Idria View Post
    If I queue with a tank then how does change give me something?
    People need to learn to read:

    To be eligible for the additional rewards you must SOLOqueue for a random level-85 Heroic in the role that is currently being Called to Arms, and complete the dungeon by killing the final boss.
  1. Sammonoske's Avatar
    Tank heroics for the extremely low chance at a mount.. or solo for the mounts. I will stick with soloing. Running randoms is not worth it.
  1. Beetlejuice's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Idria View Post
    Except only people with black hair was aloud to sit in first class and even if a blond guy wanted to he wasn't aloud to till he have coloured his hair.
    Interesting. So your mother forced you to play a dps class? You seem to either have a strange family or are just bad in analogies.
  1. Duster505's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tidycat View Post
    Kind of iffy on this. I just feel they need to do something with tanking as a whole for more people to want to do it. My opinion is tanking is kind of stressful at level 85 heroics and raids. Your looked at more than a random hunter who joined the group and you should be since your leading the group and making sure other dont get their shit pushed in. Its not for everybody. Literally everybody can DPS not everybody can tank, so this is just a bandage on the problem and they should take a look at the spec and see how they can TRY to generalize it for everybody.
    I agree with this. The resons we have few tanks run deep in the game and that is the problem BLizzard needs to focus on fixing.

    There is also an extra issue here when it comes to paladins. More ppl migth be tempted to roll tanks instead of healers and what does that mean for the long term progression of the game ?

    The worst part about this all is that ZA and ZG are nighmare places if ppl dont know what they are doing. So tanks will not enjoy that at all. I think BLizzard knows that - and instead of solving the long term underlying problem.. they go for a short term solution...
  1. Ghoti Sticks's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Idria View Post
    If I queue with a tank then how does change give me something?
    It doesn't, but it also does not give the tank anythings.

    CTA only works if you queue solo
  1. smiiiff's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Idria View Post
    Except only people with black hair was aloud to sit in first class and even if a blond guy wanted to he wasn't aloud to till he have coloured his hair.
    what a stupid remark. nobody is forcing you to play DPS. Reroll or stop whining.
    You chose to play a DPS, you went for first class.

    of my 7 lvl 85's I have 4 healers and 2 tanks. some of those have offspecs that DPS. I chose to fly economy a lot and blizzard has decided to reward me if I continue doing that. If you want the same reward, work for it.
  1. mmoc881fcc0b2c's Avatar
    Guys guys, stop talking about tanks are getting free this and blah blah blah.

    Call to Arms is meant to lower wait times by offering additional rewards for queuing as the currently least represented role. At the moment it are tanks, within a month maybe it will be the healer or even DPS. It all depends on what is online ( dps / tank or heal ). The lowest one get the Call to arms. So yeas, DPS can get it, TANKS can get it and yes HEALERS can get it.
  1. Theholypally's Avatar
    you have got the be fucking kidding me...mounts? really? are people really that fucking lazy to go into a level 60 and 70 heroic for 20min a day and kill the final boss alone?

    i know you want to cater to carebears but for fucks sake, pump the breaks a bit.
  1. mmoc46c62aad7d's Avatar
    this is a bad idea.

    Inc masses of raven lord riders!
  1. mmoc7f082fdd70's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Hellhammer View Post
    good change!
    maybe not perfect but thats something I was argueing about with people since the birth of dungeon finder

    in comparision tanks and healers contribute 100% more to a successful dungeon run and have a lot more work to do
    still stupid dps noobs are rolling on healer or tank stuff and generally have the same rewards/chances of winning stuff - thats just not a fair system!

    they(dps) run a dungeon with their brains set to standby, overnuking, standing in the fire, pulling aggro and only watching their meters
    while leaving the responsibility of not dying completely to the tanks and even more to the healers still they ought to roll on the same stuff with the same chances

    not very motivating for tanks or healers isn't it?
    We have good and bad players in every spec. I agree that having a bad dps isn't as punishing as having a bad tank or healer, but it's mainly because there are 3 times more of them leaving the possibility for others to compensate.
    Being in a party with a tank that cannot even hold threat on his mother-in-law, or a healer who can only bandage and goes OOM 10s into the fight, is even less fun as having to cope with a bad DPS (which I can at least compensate). Not very motivational for DPS either, isn't it?

    The problem with most of that kind of tanks is that their arrogance level stands in reverse ratio to their skills.
  1. mmocef71e99c15's Avatar
    The QQ here from DPS is evidence why Blizzard should stop listening to DPS who are mostly cry babies who cry if you do, and cry if you don't. This change is done to fix a problem that only exists for DPS, and the response from DPS is to cry because they don't get rewards they wouldn't have gotten anyway.

    So to all the QQ'ing DPS here: Would you rather have the long queues than see a tank getting a non combat pet once in a while?

    Unfreakingbelievable...
  1. Idria's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by smiiiff View Post
    what a stupid remark. nobody is forcing you to play DPS. Reroll or stop whining.
    You chose to play a DPS, you went for first class.

    of my 7 lvl 85's I have 4 healers and 2 tanks. some of those have offspecs that DPS. I chose to fly economy a lot and blizzard has decided to reward me if I continue doing that. If you want the same reward, work for it.
    Then the remark isn't stupid as non is forcing you to be blond either, some LIKES and WANTS to play dps and have done so with their main for a long time and they should just suck it up and roll over?
  1. Mongoose19's Avatar
    Rofl soon everyone will be riding on those mounts, they already lost all the value to me. Sorry but this wont make me sign more as tank, already got enough cash to not give a damn.
  1. Granyala's Avatar
    Still won't tank for incompetent randoms with asshole "gogogo!" mentality.

    Sorry Blizz.
  1. fasti's Avatar
    I guess there won't be any bonus to anyone after queues are equal for everyone : )
  1. mmoc1dbcdc2134's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by illindarious View Post
    But it's tanks and healers that get the quick que's already. So they are also going to get more rewards as well? While the dps that wait 30-45 minutes or longer get nothing new?
    for ppl like you, dps will benefite too, lower queue time is win. I find this as a good solution (temporarily) and chance for those rare mounts will be pretty much low so no need to rage about it
  1. Reucht's Avatar
    lol, so much whine about such a trivial change..

    Haters will hate. Give someone a hand and they demand an arm, etc.
  1. Raleina's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by smiiiff View Post
    what a stupid remark. nobody is forcing you to play DPS. Reroll or stop whining.
    You chose to play a DPS, you went for first class.

    of my 7 lvl 85's I have 4 healers and 2 tanks. some of those have offspecs that DPS. I chose to fly economy a lot and blizzard has decided to reward me if I continue doing that. If you want the same reward, work for it.
    Now that is a stupid remark imo ... everyone works to make a dungeon run good or bad 1 dps can wipe the whole group. Everyone has to use their brains and has to use buttons but instead you get the "boohoo im more important then you" crap .... really mature.

    Anyway i enjoy the longer queues for rhc i log on start on my dailies from tb and sit in queue while doing them no big deal at all. Giving tanks and healers the change to get a free mount is just stupid while i as pure dps class work my ass off for it every day to try and get Anzu. So yeah most people already worked hard for it day in and out grinding and hoping for that mount that never drops!

    so what you said in that post is just plain bullshit
  1. smiiiff's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by patcherke View Post
    The problem with most of that kind of tanks is that their arrogance level stands in reverse ratio to their skills.
    go do it yourself if other tanks are so bad.

    The problem might be with a few tanks being arrogant but as long as the average DPS complains about CC being bad for his DPS, the average hunter breaks CC in 10 seconds into every fight and if anything goes wrong, it's the tank or the healer's fault it's mostly DPS themselves keeping the problem alive.

    Yes you have bad tanks and bad healers but I usually only see bad DPS because the level of skill and knowledge for a DPS isn't even 10% of what a average tank/healer needs.

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