It still required a guild to do a half decent job during the raid tier AND I'm willing to say 90% of the players who did get the legendaries in progression guilds did deserve it.
Why would a true progression guild hinder themselves giving something great to a sub-par player?
No matter how you turn it. The older legendaries were rarer because they were harder to get.
Finding a guild + raiding normal modes => More effort than running LFR. This is a FACT.
Last edited by mmocb100f50513; 2013-09-17 at 01:06 PM.
Because a "Lottery Legendary" is so much more prestigious. Getting an OP item entirely through RNG proves you are a better player...FACT!
I don't know why anyone complains about the legendary cloak reward. I'm totally satisfied with how they managed it this expansion and enjoyed how the RP focused us on the legend part of LEGENDary.
i raid 10man with a bigger roster than 10 so indeed i had to run lfr for every boss i sat out, i had to cap valors for 6 weeks even they were of no use at the time, i had to make a grp for twinbraid on a dead server with no one else yet on that part (now its soloable) , maby "working my ass off" is not the right way to say it but it still required a hell of a lot more work than it does now when im finishing it with 4th alt. Also didnt u just say u are not taking anyone without the cloak so why would u have to run any old content if it wasnt nerfed?
Last edited by mmoc122c1567f0; 2013-09-17 at 01:09 PM.
Look, it doesn't bother me at all since I'm not even playing wow at the moment. Just telling u how it is, and that psychology the only reason it's grinding people's gears to hear welfare legendary is because deep in the back of their mind they know it too. It's why it bothers them so bad. If u were really proud of it, u would just roll your eyes and chuckle at the term welfare legendary. Deep down inside, everyone knows its a welfare legendary. You can't even compare killing illidan or sunwell to lfr, the skill level and time commitment were that harder that it can't be compared.
Personally I would rather not restrict it, why? the quest line involved was fucking brilliant and is the reason ive been doing it. I do think they perhaps should have changed the end item to have 3 versions for each raid type, Heroic would require a Heroic Lei shen kill Normal would require the same + LFR would require lei shen dead in LFR. I think that personally would have been a better deal.
You also over estimate the will of the average LFR runner a lot of people won't ever get to do this quest (5.4 bit) the effort involved will be too much for them. We have to remember that we can't purely cater for the heroic guilds as the cost of developing this quest line alone would be too much to justify only giving to heroic raiders sorry.
All of what you say is true but you also had the cloak a few weeks earlier to help your guild progress. Blizzards design choice is to 'nerf over time'. They do so for everything and the cloak shouldn't be an exception (imo) since it requires so much RNG.
Also (as I'm not sure if you are aware of this) there are websites for cross realm groups to help with stuff like twinbraid.
I liked the staff scheme for Firelands. Granted it was kinda shitty that only a limited number of people got one, it measured progress and had a different prestige to it. Although people were completing it pretty later, it was never really called walfare. I got a staff and since my guild never managed to kill Ragnaros HC, I remember it being quite a struggle (mainly because more heroics = more embers).
If they could come up with a scheme where everyone can progress on the legendary but on different pace depending on progress, then I"d be happier. But then again, it would suck balls for those that only did LFR. At least Blizzard could have made rewards available depending on difficulty. For example, the LFR chain could stop at epic, and normal/heroic could award the legendary via a quest item off Lei Shen or Garrosh.
I wouldn't really call it walfare due to several reasons. First of all, sticking to it although RNG is the anti-christ. Gathering all the required VP (well OK that's kinda a given if you cap it each week). Killing the Alliance Hero guy, the PVP and finally reaching exalted. All these take time and for a casual player, dedicating that time to do these steps is quite an achievement.
IMO and that coming from a semi-hardcore raider, there's nothing welfare about it. From the moment where everyone has access to it, I see it just as a perk to help your guild's progression or your own epeen.
Look guys, I know the Legendary quest line might be the HARDEST thing casual players and baddies (notice I'm not using them synonymously) because it requires you to actually care a little about something in game and be dedicated to it but it's still far easier than to do a real raid even if drops were RNG back then.
Even the Cata Legendaries were considered Legendary because you still had to raid normals despite the frequency of playeres obtaining them.
I honestly don't think there is any worth is talking to the people who will always see the legend cloak as lesser than others. Normal raid clears havent been difficult since TBC, once we started getting heroic raids, normal mode became a "Everyone gets it" thing for any group able to find enough half competent people willing to do a clear every week.
I'm sure we all know our own fair share of crappy normal mode players: those people who have only done normal, cant do any of heroic, and go around acting like they're better than others because they feel they need that special boost, even though what they've accomplished is hardly an accomplishment at all.
Hell, my own server STILL doesn't have a Heroic Lei Shen kill. But it does have normal Garrosh already. It had normal Lei Shen second week of content release.
Last edited by Toppy; 2013-09-17 at 01:30 PM.
Agreed 100%. If there were different stages of upgradeable legendary cloaks:
- Nobody would call it 'welfare'.
- Exclusive LFR raiders would still have a great item + see the full quest chain.
- The highest iteration (requireing heroic Lei Shen / Garrosh) would still be 'rare'.
Win - Win - Win in my book.
The special snowflakes don't feel so special since you can obtain it via lfr.
The RNG legendaries gave a huge sense of 'oh shit, I finally got it WOW!!!111111' most of the time after waiting for months and months on it to drop. To give an example, I waited a full 50 weeks between 2 warglaives, it was hell. But in vanilla I was the first alliance on my server with a Thunderfury. That required luck and clearing MC. But because of the low low dropchance you felt like a legend. I was the only one with a Thunderfury for weeks, maybe months even. Now people probably didn't even raise an eyebrow when they got their cloak.
If Blizzard wants the hardcore raiding community to stay, they should make legendaries require a drop from the hardmode of a last boss. Now that would make it legendary, only the most skilled raiders will be able to weild that awesome legendary weapon.
But if you look at the direction of Wow, it's more likely you will just get it in the mail when you log in.
I don't really consider it a legendary if every joe schmoe that runs LFR has one.
The problem with this is my guild cleared MC for fucking months like half a year and some new guild killed rag for the 1st time and an eye + both bindings dropped. We had 0 drops for 6 months I shit you not. I felt enraged it was fucking annoying having this RNG shit.
Hardcore raiders should be glad they get Heroic raids still and extra bosses/phases! (I used to be one my self) the amount of time/money spend making this content it makes more sense for more people to be able to get access to it.