Roy Moore: allegations of sexual misconduct with minors

[Ripster42]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...candidate.html so this one example of how accusers can also be lying. Or as a min, try to mislead people.

You apparently missed the part where they only thing she added was the date he signed it and where. He still wrote everything else.

[Ghostpanther]

You apparently missed the part where they only thing she added was the date he signed it and where. He still wrote everything else.

I did not miss that part. And like I said, even if he did, that only proves he knew her at the most, or was at the graduation celebration for the students. There are lot of people who sign high school year books all the time and is sometimes done by people you barely know.

[Smitzelplix]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...candidate.html so this one example of how accusers can also be lying. Or as a min, try to mislead people.

You're a little late to the party. That's one thing that's been discussed on the last several pages. In fact it's being discussed on the same page that you just posted your link on.

[Edge-]

None of that is solid proof he is guilty. And apparently the signature has been verified? By whom? And even if it is valid. How is that wrong or prove anything except he knew her?

No, but it lends quite a bit of credibility given the rest of the vetted and reported allegations. Remember, O'Keefe and his fuckers tried to plant a fake accusation and got shut the fuck down already, if the other claims were as transparently bullshit they would have been ignored as well.

This is just another piece of evidence along with this reported banning from the local mall specifically because he was trolling for teens, with the other accusers stories which have remained consistent and been vetted pretty thoroughly, with the other reports and comments from members of law enforcement at that time. Does it mean he's guilty and should go to jail? No, that's for courts to decide (and it's well past statute of limitations, I imagine). But does it present a pretty damn credible chunk of evidence against him? You bet.

Remember, Moore denied knowing this woman despite signing her yearbook.

[Ghostpanther]

No, but it lends quite a bit of credibility given the rest of the vetted and reported allegations. Remember, O'Keefe and his fuckers tried to plant a fake accusation and got shut the fuck down already, if the other claims were as transparently bullshit they would have been ignored as well.

This is just another piece of evidence along with this reported banning from the local mall specifically because he was trolling for teens, with the other accusers stories which have remained consistent and been vetted pretty thoroughly, with the other reports and comments from members of law enforcement at that time. Does it mean he's guilty and should go to jail? No, that's for courts to decide (and it's well past statute of limitations, I imagine). But does it present a pretty damn credible chunk of evidence against him? You bet.

Remember, Moore denied knowing this woman despite signing her yearbook.

The Mall incident was reported by whom? And the signature, was verified by whom? Odds are there are lots of people who have signed shit and do not remember doing it, esp after almost 40 years.

[Draco-Onis]

The Mall incident was reported by whom? And the signature, was verified by whom? Odds are there are lots of people who have signed shit and do not remember doing it, esp after almost 40 years.

Why are you still defending him? he has openly admitted creeping around 15 year old girls when he was a DA which is how he met his wife at a dance recital. The allegations against him only make him a sexual assaulter he is clearly a pedophile and then some. There's no redeeming value in Roy Moore, the allegations are only the tip of a already horrible iceberg. There's a reason that the GOP wanted Luther Strange, I mean back when they had morals.

[Edge-]

The Mall incident was reported by whom? And the signature, was verified by whom? Odds are there are lots of people who have signed shit and do not remember doing it, esp after almost 40 years.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...e-gadsden-mall

New Yorker talked with locals who confirmed.

https://news.vice.com/story/former-c...m-cheerleaders

Vice reporting on at least one cop who confirmed that they were instructed to keep an eye on him around teens.

http://www.wcvb.com/article/roy-moor...iting/14390831

The expert isn't named and was brought on by the accusers lawyer, so if you want to disregard it that's fine.

There's plenty of corroborating evidence to support him spending his 30's chasing after under age teenagers, even if you don't believe the specific claims of sexual assault.

[Ghostpanther]

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...e-gadsden-mall

New Yorker talked with locals who confirmed.

https://news.vice.com/story/former-c...m-cheerleaders

Vice reporting on at least one cop who confirmed that they were instructed to keep an eye on him around teens.

http://www.wcvb.com/article/roy-moor...iting/14390831

The expert isn't named and was brought on by the accusers lawyer, so if you want to disregard it that's fine.

There's plenty of corroborating evidence to support him spending his 30's chasing after under age teenagers, even if you don't believe the specific claims of sexual assault.

Those are still basically hearsay. Are there any documented evidence he was banned from the mall? Is there documented and signed testimony the signature was validated? I do not know if he is not guilty. But I feel it is wrong to assume someone is based on nothing but accusations and hearsay. Do you believe in Ghosts? Of course not. Because there is no proof they exist. But literally thousands upon thousands will testify they do.

But thanks for taking the time to provide the links. I do appreciate it.

[alexw]

Why are you still defending him? he has openly admitted creeping around 15 year old girls when he was a DA which is how he met his wife at a dance recital. The allegations against him only make him a sexual assaulter he is clearly a pedophile and then some. There's no redeeming value in Roy Moore, the allegations are only the tip of a already horrible iceberg. There's a reason that the GOP wanted Luther Strange, I mean back when they had morals.

This explains why -

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-voter/547772/

Basically the right are on the losing side of a decades long culture war with the left, and they no longer feel they have the breathing room to be able to be moral. Thus they have sacrificed their morality to gain an edge in the battle. So they will use any tactic, use any weapon, no matter how deplorable, if it gives them an edge. So Moore being a pedophile is a-OK. Because in the senate he will be THEIR pedophilic foot soldier. That is what matters (if he was a democrat it would be whole other story).

[Dacien]

Those are still basically hearsay. Are there any documented evidence he was banned from the mall? Is there documented and signed testimony the signature was validated? I do not know if he is not guilty. But I feel it is wrong to assume someone is based on nothing but accusations and hearsay. Do you believe in Ghosts? Of course not. Because there is no proof they exist. But literally thousands upon thousands will testify they do.

But thanks for taking the time to provide the links. I do appreciate it.

Even if it's all just calumny though, the mall accusations, it's consistent with all the other allegations and the statements by Moore himself. I think it's likely, not proven, but likely, that Moore wandered around the food court a time or two too many, and not to pick up a McSpaghetti. But that's not really the issue, it's just the totality of the evidence. Beverly Nelson's statements and those by Leigh Corfman are what really push it over the edge.

I think if Moore had vehemently denied any interest at all in young girls and had no idea what these allegations could possibly be about, that would be one thing, but he really seemed to be trying to walk the line between confessing just enough to seem honest without admitting to the allegations. I just don't believe him, I believe the women. All the women. And the locals.

Just my two cents. I hear your point about the corruptibility of unverified accounts, and it's a valid point (Scientology recruiting dozens of people to extinguish a sexual assault investigation comes to mind), but I don't think that's happening here.

[GennGreymane]

https://www.salon.com/2017/12/08/fox...er-of-forgery/

Fox News felt a wave of outrage after publishing a misleading story which said one of the women who has accused Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore of sexual abuse "forged" part of her yearbook inscription signed by the Republican.

The Fox News story was published after Beverly Young Nelson sat down with "Good Morning Amerca's" Tom Llamas which aired on Friday. In the interview, Nelson said she made "notes" under Moore's inscription. In a news conference later on, Nelson's lawyer, Gloria Allred, said Nelson had written the notes so she could remember who Moore was and when and where he had signed the book, according to ABC News.
Nelson reiterated, however, "He did sign it."

Fox News did a report on Nelson's interview and the headline read, "Roy Moore accuser admits she forged part of the yearbook inscription attributed to Alabama Senate candidate."

The headline has since been changed, and the coinciding tweet has been deleted, but an archive of the post still keeps the original headline available. The current headline now reads, "Roy Moore accuser admits she wrote part of yearbook inscription attributed to Alabama Senate candidate."

In regards to the approaching Dec. 12 special election, Nelson told Llamas, "It sickens me to wonder what may go on with him if he gets into office."
"He could be doing this still," she said, according to ABC News. "We don’t know. And, then again, I hope that he’s changed. I pray that he’s changed. I really do."

Moore has categorically denied all of the allegations he's been faced with, and both he and his campaign have argued that Moore's signature was forged. President Donald Trump, who stayed mostly quiet when the allegations first surfaced, has formally endorsed his bid for Senate.

On Friday afternoon Moore, and other conservatives, seized the narrative Fox News contorted and published a tweet including the original Fox News article and tweet.

Many users on Twitter slammed Fox News for their spin tactics and pointed out how misleading their structuring of the story was.

Even right-wing pundit Ben Shapiro got close to calling out Fox News for its misleading report

[The Penguin]

Snip. The End.

Too bad your circle doesn't include Moore, because that's what every media outlet has reported today. It was signed simply "Roy".

Try harder.

Please go ahead and spin these quotes don't worry there's an unlimited amount to choose from.

You do realize I don't have the time to hold your hand or reply to every frivolous statement you make, right?

[Ghostpanther]

Even if it's all just calumny though, the mall accusations, it's consistent with all the other allegations and the statements by Moore himself. I think it's likely, not proven, but likely, that Moore wandered around the food court a time or two too many, and not to pick up a McSpaghetti. But that's not really the issue, it's just the totality of the evidence. Beverly Nelson's statements and those by Leigh Corfman are what really push it over the edge.

I think if Moore had vehemently denied any interest at all in young girls and had no idea what these allegations could possibly be about, that would be one thing, but he really seemed to be trying to walk the line between confessing just enough to seem honest without admitting to the allegations. I just don't believe him, I believe the women. All the women. And the locals.

Just my two cents. I hear your point about the corruptibility of unverified accounts, and it's a valid point (Scientology recruiting dozens of people to extinguish a sexual assault investigation comes to mind), but I don't think that's happening here.

Most people will believe he is guilty. Esp. those who hate the Republicans in general. Everyone is entitled to their opinions on this subject, I am not willing to cross the line on saying someone is guilty of something even if I feel it is likely they are. I need solid documented evidence. Not a collaboration of people who may have their own motives and agendas for pushing it. The timing of these accusations is also very fishy smelling.

[unfilteredJW]

You do realize I don't have the time to hold your hand or reply to every frivolous statement you make, right?

You have plenty of time to write long winded posts where you either post bullshit, lie, or cry victim so I don't see why not.

[Draco-Onis]

You do realize I don't have the time to hold your hand or reply to every frivolous statement you make, right?

The guy makes statements talking about dating teenage girls and you call them frivolous. You should have no problem explaining why a single 38 year old district attorney was attending a dance recital and drooling over a 15 year old girl.

[Ripster42]

I did not miss that part. And like I said, even if he did, that only proves he knew her at the most, or was at the graduation celebration for the students. There are lot of people who sign high school year books all the time and is sometimes done by people you barely know.

That's all the yearbook signature was being used for in the first place. Which means what we know today, is the same we knew yesterday. Roy moore is accused of pursing sexual relationships with non-adults as young as 14 while he was in his 30s. There are multiple reports from police, a coworker ada, and mall employees that establish a pattern of behavior. Then we also have his interview on hannity in which he waffles as badly as jerry sandusky.

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Too bad your circle doesn't include Moore, because that's what every media outlet has reported today. It was signed simply "Roy".

Even fox corrected their story. She only added the date+place. He signed Roy Moore.

[Ghostpanther]

That's all the yearbook signature was being used for in the first place. Which means what we know today, is the same we knew yesterday. Roy moore is accused of pursing sexual relationships with non-adults as young as 14 while he was in his 30s. There are
, a coworker ada, and mall employees that establish a pattern of behavior. Then we also have his interview on hannity in which he waffles as badly as jerry sandusky.

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But odd how none of those reports are documented. Glad you used the term, accused. I saw the interview on Hannity. He may have dated a 18 year old. Which is still a legal adult. We going to convict someone of misconduct for dating a adult? Even if they are several years older?

[Breccia]

Too bad your circle doesn't include Moore, because that's what every media outlet has reported today. It was signed simply "Roy".

Try harder.

Wow. You're going to feel really stupid when you read the pages you skipped over.

[Pendulous]

But odd how none of those reports are documented. Glad you used the term, accused. I saw the interview on Hannity. He may have dated a 18 year old. Which is still a legal adult. We going to convict someone of misconduct for dating a adult? Even if they are several years older?

Everyone was calling for Al Franken's head for grabbing an adult woman's ass. This reverse standard of "I only defend this guy because of the (R) next to his name" is frightening.

[Breccia]

HAHAHAHAHA

Someone's salty.



As a reminder: FOX News "clarified" hours ago. This is their headline right now. During a Trump rally.