[Elixir of the Rapid Mind] secretly removed from the game?

[Deleted]

Um, what?

This game has 14 years worth of content to it, do you honestly believe that every single person among millions shares your attitude towards anything that's not current...?

You can't appreciate it unless it's part of a current expansion? Fair enough. Doesn't mean it's irrelevant, unused content to the entire playerbase. The changes being made to leveling content is thanks to feedback from people giving a shit about it.

Well - every content is to some people irrelevant. The groups just differ.

Leveling is relevant for people starting their first character, or questing through different zones, or on different faction than before. Sometimes, your race or class play a role. It's not relevant anymore as soon as you have your Loremaster. Old raids are relevant if you have not done them at all, or if you still farm collectible things like transmog and mounts. As soon as you are done, this content becomes irrelevant for you. And then there are people who have started in the lastest expansion and could not care less about MC and BWL and are completely fine with skipping it. They should not be forced to run this content, because its clearly outdated and they will probably not learn anything for the current game (because balancing is completely different now).

[Armourboy]

We are told all too often how levelling is too easy, yet every time something happens which makes it harder we get a load of complaints about that too.

If they were increasing the time investment to Vanilla level I might, might see room for a complaint. Even with the changes it's going to be extremely quick. TBH if you can't handle the bit of time it takes to level now, then the level of want is basically zero for whatever it is you are leveling and you probably don't want to play it that much to begin with.

Even if they took every single boost out of the game it would still be extremely quick and easy.

[Deleted]

I thought everyone was bitching that leveling was "meaningless" and wanted it to return to being relevant.

Now that leveling takes longer it's "all a cash grab and a time sink?"

What's the pissy narrative here? I'm getting confused about what to get outraged about today.

Perfect example of different groups of people with different views on relevant content. Some people love leveling and want it to be relevant. Others want to get to the endgame asap because they enjoy this content the most (or because they have seen it all on a multitude characters over the course of 12 years like me - I have leveled 23 characters to max level, and have 12 more in the range of 70-100). Honestly, who does level 90 raids now with characters in the exact level and approprate gear?

To have a win-win-situation, they should have make leveling last longer for people who enjoy it, and give heirlooms a bigger xp boost for people who want to get to the endgame faster.

[Sanguinezor]

I dont really care about that Garrison stuff, but did they remove the elixir from Krol the Blade as well? Also does the Elixir of Ancient Knowledge still exist?300% exp until lvl 84)? Anyone tested that?

All have been removed.

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To have a win-win-situation, they should have make leveling last longer for people who enjoy it, and give heirlooms a bigger xp boost for people who want to get to the endgame faster.

Exactly this.
I have said it multiple times in this thread, but literally everyone that wants this new "leveling experience" cannot give 1 benefit for it.

Everything about these changes are negative.
"Better leveling experience" is subjective
"Fun" is subjective
"Slower leveling" is not more fun
"World and Mob scaling" is a great QoL change, but not with the all the negative effects that are currently been implemented or removed (XP potions)

[ey b0ss]

Good thing I have about 30+ of those ; gotta get that garrison gold spent on tokens back :^))) .

[Deleted]

I don't think I've ever used one of these potions, just sold them for a lot of gold. Could level fast just fine without them, so I won't even notice if they're gone.

[Kyanion]

If they are going to remove this item they should also patch all existing versions to make it a worthless item. It is silly for people to benefit big time for the item being removed so they can just jack up the prices on ones they happened to have sitting around (or sniped off the AH for cheap once this issue was known).

[Sylvaeres]

So if Elixir of Rapid Mind was deleted and they didn't announce it, isn't this just another scam by blizzard? Me and many of my friends re-subed for this event and this event only, to get our Elixir of Rapid Mind stocks.... What a bunch of bastards....

Lololol you "resubbed" to get a chance at XP pots. ok guy

[Deleted]

I dont think people really complaining about the leveling, its about the dickpunch blizzard is pulling by not telling us that an item like this is being removed. I know people who poured thousands of gold in to garrisons on multiple accounts to be able to get these elixirs.

Blizzard could atleast have said that the potion is removed from all loot tables, It does not take that much effort and with the trackers we got for blue posts. It would take less then 30 sec.

yeah this is me, i'm too busy to properly play wow right now but i bought a month of gametime just to farm these on my alts, only to find out they are removed and i wasted 260k for no reason

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Lololol you "resubbed" to get a chance at XP pots. ok guy

the batch from last year was worth more than i spent on wow tokens during the whole year, this is not unreasonable at all

[Lollis]

If I go by numbers, "a few minutes per level" would equate to 3 - 5 mins.

That is 300 - 500 mins of extra leveling time that does not need to be there.

So it'd take at most an extra 8 hours of playtime to go from zero to max? Oh the humanity.

I have a rogue that I basically don't play on other than for herbing and stuff. She is level 110 and currently sat at 14 days 10 hours, an extra 8 hours for levelling is nothing.

[Sanguinezor]

So it'd take at most an extra 8 hours of playtime to go from zero to max? Oh the humanity.

I have a rogue that I basically don't play on other than for herbing and stuff. She is level 110 and currently sat at 14 days 10 hours, an extra 8 hours for levelling is nothing.

8x6 sub races = 48 hours of non-essential leveling.
8x18 total character slots = 144 hours of non-essential leveling

This is via the assumption that you are using Heirlooms.
That duration would increase by at least 50% for new players.

[Lollis]

8x6 sub races = 48 hours of non-essential leveling.
8x18 total character slots = 144 hours of non-essential leveling

This is via the assumption that you are using Heirlooms.
That duration would increase by at least 50% for new players.

You are not a new player, so why exactly are you complaining?

Do you remember what it was like before XP already got nerfed? Before heirlooms were even in game?

You are complaining about nothing.


The levelling change after this patch is still going to result in faster levelling times than before the initial XP nerf.

It'll take less than a week extra to max out all character slots? Oh, no. It used to take over a week just for one character.

[Sanguinezor]

You are not a new player, so why exactly are you complaining?

Do you remember what it was like before XP already got nerfed? Before heirlooms were even in game?
You are complaining about nothing.
The levelling change after this patch is still going to result in faster levelling times than before the initial XP nerf.
It'll take less than a week extra to max out all character slots? Oh, no. It used to take over a week just for one character.

You are deflecting, because I am right.

What is the benefit of this new "leveling experience" for new and veteran players?
What is the benefit for the removal of XP potion?

[Magnagarde]

I remember Ion saying in one of the Blizzcon interviews that except nerfing heirlooms they will also look into ordinary gear being more up to par with heirlooms - I think they already added extra items to low level dungeons loot tables so people get more gear while levelling. Because that was the problem heirlooms solved - lack of suitable gear from quests / dungeons making you often stuck with items 20-30 levels behind.

I'd say you should leave feedback on the subject to Blizzard if you feel lack of specific gear pieces - people left feedback about enchanting ("you can't obtain low level mats when items are scaled up!") and it seems they're fixing it by unifying vanilla enchanting mats.

The way Ion said it they wanted heirlooms to be an option to give extra xp, but not necessarily tons of extra stats over non heirloom gear. Which makes sense, because otherwise we had situation like dungeons being tuned around non-heirloom gear so new players can do it, and then comes the crowd of loomed up alts who just bulldozer through it butchering the whole intended experience.

I agree with you. It is just the fact that the new leveling experienced is tuned around full heirloom characters and the difference is really palpable.

As much as it was bad to have a dungeon experience based off non-heirloom gear being rushed through with fully loomed characters, it is just as bad to have a leveling experience designed around fully loomed characters being experienced by players that have none.

[Lollis]

You are deflecting, because I am right.

What is the benefit of this new "leveling experience" for new and veteran players?
What is the benefit for the removal of XP potion?

I never said that there was a benefit. I said that you are complaining.



These are the XP curves for content before and after nerfs. Outer is the XP requirement for 2 to 70 Inset is the xp required from 71 to 100, some data is missing because the levels were not available at the time.

We are currently on Lime Green for the Inner Graph and Light Blue for the Outer Graph, we have NEVER required as little XP to level as we do now. When the data is updated, ill do one for PTR.

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

No reason for it to be in any more but it doesn't effect me so no further thoughts.

[Video Games]

It's pretty shady that they didn't even tell us, but i guess they've done that a lot in legion.

[Sanguinezor]

I never said that there was a benefit. I said that you are complaining.

Why are you even here then?
I am voicing my opinions to the community on what they could do to make it better for veteran players with reasoning.

What have you done besides eating your Doritos and stroking your beard that you have been growing since Vanilla?

[Gimlix]

It's pretty shady that they didn't even tell us, but i guess they've done that a lot in legion.

It's weird though. Like they know it's gonna cause an outrage so instead they wont tell us. kinda big fuck you to their players though.
Even if it causes rage, atleast be honest and tell us.

[Armourboy]

It's weird though. Like they know it's gonna cause an outrage so instead they wont tell us. kinda big fuck you to their players though.
Even if it causes rage, atleast be honest and tell us.

This I can agree with, and have yet to figure out why after all these years they still do it.

Past that, it's laughable that a couple extra hours of playing is just oh so brutal to someone.