[Movie] Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

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Using blatant push for toys in third installment, the aftermath of blatant push for toys and then the man's own words he appears to be changing by the moment is kind of intellectually dishonest.

I refer to my signature on just how reliable his claims are.

Yes, and Gary Kurtz left because of it. Empire and Jedi were supposed to be darker movies, but Lucas wanted a happy ending for Empire and we all know the story of Jedi.

The point is Lucas always had a clear view for the Star Wars franchise and he saw the kids brought the money.

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I was under the impression that he went into hiding because of his failure with Kylo.

He went there to die with the Jedi Order.

[PACOX]

I was under the impression that he went into hiding because of his failure with Kylo.

And Yoda and Obi went into hiding because of their failure with Anakin. The more I think about it the more Kylos destroying the temple and killing the padawans, taking those he could corrupt is basically Vader killing the younglings, taking the guards he could corrupt.

Obi and Yoda hid in the middle of a Civil War. There was no enemy during most of Lukes exile. The galaxy was a peace when Luke exiled himself, the First Order is a recent major threat. When there was a threat he only had the Resistance, a much smaller group than the Rebel Alliance, and the First Order was specifically looking for him.

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Obi and Yoda hid in the middle of a Civil War.

Actually, they exiled themselves after the declaration of the Galactic Empire.

[Molis]

So few Star Wars fans can watch any new movie without having a complete shit fit about every detail.

It is a fucking movie for entertainment. It is not supposed to be life changing.

What did you expect? Nothing will ever be Empire just like no game will ever be Vanilla WoW.

[ohiostate124]

Shhh people don't understand nuance. To them hiding because it's prudent while still having hope is the same as hiding because you are ashamed of failing.

Let’s not forget than Obi-wan was there to watch over Luke

[Verdugo]

So few Star Wars fans can watch any new movie without having a complete shit fit about every detail.

It is a fucking movie for entertainment. It is not supposed to be life changing.

What did you expect? Nothing will ever be Empire just like no game will ever be Vanilla WoW.

Its always the same, they congregate at those Star Wars conventions, hype everything that is comming, watch the movie few months later, shit on it everywhere, repeat. Just wait for the next convention where you will see the exact same people in their Porg costumes jizzing at another trailer with AT-AT in it.

[PACOX]

Actually, they exiled themselves after the declaration of the Galactic Empire.

I know, but the Rebel Alliance was fighting against the Empire even before the destruction of the Death Star.

The person I initially quoted made the claim that Luke hid in shame but Obi and Yoda did not. Im comparing and contrasting the their respective exiles.

[eschatological]

See, I think you are right about the fact that these are for a different audience, but the thing is, I'm not even a die hard star wars fan, neither of the games, nor comics, books and even my movie experience is mostly 1 time viewing each with maybe a second time after a couple of years on free TV. The thing is, if you have any recollection of the previous films and even base analytical skills you will notice that something is off here.. and people handing out perfect scores for poor execution just grinds my gears. These are really for people who have no clue about star wars at all, want to buy "cheap" disney toys and can ignore crass shifts in the direction of the writing, in what is supposed to be a connected trilogy. So essentially kids age 6-10.

Who is handing out perfect scores to this movie? Random people who've seen it?

[PACOX]

So few Star Wars fans can watch any new movie without having a complete shit fit about every detail.

It is a fucking movie for entertainment. It is not supposed to be life changing.

What did you expect? Nothing will ever be Empire just like no game will ever be Vanilla WoW.

The movie isnt perfect, no movie is.

Theres just as many fans who liked that didn't. I think it comes down to those who accept change and those who dont.

SW has changed for better or for worse.

I personally think some people have a romanitized view of SW that doesn't manifest itself in reality. They holding the franchise to standards that it never established.

[Shadowferal]

The movie isnt perfect, no movie is. Theres just as many fans who liked that didn't. I think it comes down to those who accept change and those who dont. SW has changed for better or for worse. I personally think some people have a romanitized view of SW that doesn't manifest itself in reality. They holding the franchise to standards that it never established.

I'm still waiting for a Star Wars that bears some resemblance to how Star Wars used to be.
Rogue One showed that they can do it.
And I forgave them for TFA, but it was on the condition that we got something that was worthy of "Empire Strikes Back."
Didn't get that though. What I got was something that everyone gets; a sequel...which reinforced what sequels are stereotyped as.

[Zeek Daniels]

I approve of this post. People complaining about certain things in TLJ and TFA need to go rewatch the originals.

[tyrlaan]

I approve of this post. People complaining about certain things in TLJ and TFA need to go rewatch the originals.

Oh man, that's amazing! lol

[PACOX]

I'm still waiting for a Star Wars that bears some resemblance to how Star Wars used to be.
Rogue One showed that they can do it.
And I forgave them for TFA, but it was on the condition that we got something that was worthy of "Empire Strikes Back."
Didn't get that though. What I got was something that everyone gets; a sequel...which reinforced what sequels are stereotyped as.

I feel like Rogue One was different and TFA is classic SW, its literally a rehash of A New Hope and Kylo is JJ Abrams Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader fan fiction.

My theory is that Rogue One breathed a new life into the franchise that hasnt been seen in the saga movies. The kind of story telling related to SW in the cartoons, books, comics, video games, but never on screen. It kind of spoiled the sega movies for some people. I remember a lot of people not like Rogue One because its not like the saga movies, it does have epic characters, it doesnt have the heroic moments that are in the saga movies, good v evil, dark side v light side. The casual SW thought Rogue One was too dark and gritty and too removed the saga films.

I thought The Last Jedi was going to be move of time jump too, instead it was like TFA: Pt 2, which does take away from the old "epic" feel of SW. They took a risk to change the tempo. IX better have a time jump. This movie is too fresh (IMO) to weigh its overall impact.

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Gotta say Im over the critique of the bombers. Such a small part of the movie thats easily over looked and then bombs have been explained (they are driven by an electromagnet type system, think rail gun that shoots cannonballs).

SW tech, since day one, has been loyal to aesthetics than practicality/feasibility. From the lightsaber to to the Death Star. No of that shit actually makes sense, some of it doesnt even make sense in the SW universe. Dooku used a damn solar sail, why is it too expensive for the Empire to put life support in TIEs but the Rebels could afford it? Why Sidious so tactically incompetent in the OT but a genius PT? Why did Vader have his suit controls where anybody could touch them? How come he never received an upgrade in 30 years and how are we supposed to assume his suit lasted 30 years? How could Ewoks destroy AT STs with logs and rocks - AT STs that are all terrain and can withstand a considerable amount of ordnance. B Wings make no GD sense. Why are the command decks on 9/10 of the captial ships red bullseyes? A bunch of medicore Jedi could fight on the frontlines with nothing more but robes and laser swords.

[Zeek Daniels]

I'm still waiting for a Star Wars that bears some resemblance to how Star Wars used to be.
Rogue One showed that they can do it.
And I forgave them for TFA, but it was on the condition that we got something that was worthy of "Empire Strikes Back."
Didn't get that though. What I got was something that everyone gets; a sequel...which reinforced what sequels are stereotyped as.

TLJ literally flips the universe on its head. Republic gone. Resistance gone. A new unstable sith general leading the only fleet of ships capable of ruling the galaxy. A new jedi order is about to be formed. Something we are going to see built from scratch. What direction will Rey take the new order so that it builds on the past yet doesnt fail like previous orders.

I really like what the movie did to set up the future. And i really like how this movie opened up what the force can be.

[tyrlaan]

I thought The Last Jedi was going to be move of time jump too, instead it was like TFA: Pt 2, which does take away from the old "epic" feel of SW. They took a risk to change the tempo. IX better have a time jump. This movie is too fresh (IMO) to weigh its overall impact.

It will feel really, really weird if they don't time jump for IX.

Gotta say Im over the critique of the bombers. Such a smal

l part of the movie thats easily over looked and then bombs have been explained (they are driven by an electromagnet type system, think rail gun that shoots cannonballs).

SW tech, since day one, has been loyal to aesthetics than practicality/feasibility. From the lightsaber to to the Death Star. No of that shit actually makes sense, some of it doesnt even make sense in the SW universe. Dooku used a damn solar sail, why is it too expensive for the Empire to put life support in TIEs but the Rebels could afford it? Why Sidious so tactically incompetent in the OT but a genius PT? Why did Vader have his suit controls where anybody could touch them? How come he never received an upgrade in 30 years and how are we supposed to assume his suit lasted 30 years? How could Ewoks destroy AT STs with logs and rocks - AT STs that are all terrain and can withstand a considerable amount of ordnance. B Wings make no GD sense. Why are the command decks on 9/10 of the captial ships red bullseyes? A bunch of medicore Jedi could fight on the frontlines with nothing more but robes and laser swords.

Exactly.

TLJ literally flips the universe on its head. Republic gone. Resistance gone. A new unstable sith general leading the only fleet of ships capable of ruling the galaxy. A new jedi order is about to be formed. Something we are going to see built from scratch. What direction will Rey take the new order so that it builds on the past yet doesnt fail like previous orders.

I really like what the movie did to set up the future. And i really like how this movie opened up what the force can be.

I feel like TLJ aims to flip everything on its head and open up possibilities, but needs Episode IX to show us if it succeeded, which is not a great thing. Like I mentioned earlier, i liked the movie, but it does feel like it will be made or broken by what IX delivers.

[Martymark]

I didn't like it. Casino planet, sad suicidal Luke, etc etc. But that's just my opinion.

[Independent voter]

SW has changed for better or for worse.

I personally think some people have a romanitized view of SW that doesn't manifest itself in reality. They holding the franchise to standards that it never established.

They call that "head cannon", head cannon is the cannon you keep in your head, your idea of how the story should go, how the characters react and so on. All head cannons are at least a little different, some are really different.

When someone say's "he would never do that!" that's their head cannon conflicting with what they've just seen.

I like the term.

[Rafoel]

They call that "head cannon", head cannon is the cannon you keep in your head, your idea of how the story should go, how the characters react and so on. All head cannons are at least a little different, some are really different.

When someone say's "he would never do that!" that's their head cannon conflicting with what they've just seen.

I like the term.

Since when is consistency called "head canon" ?

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I approve of this post. People complaining about certain things in TLJ and TFA need to go rewatch the originals.

That's literally the most stupid commentary of star wars I've seen this month.

What movie is he actually talking about? 4,5 and 6 all together? And why does he mention prequels, that came out much later? "Abandons his friends"? Like where exactly?? Has anybody in history of star wars considered Luke's decision to try to save his friends illogical?? Can somebody be so stupid to not see a difference between what single character said and officially recognized canon? How is Cloud City pointless?? - its literally the main story driving element of the movie. Where was that build-up for Boba Fett? We literally didn't know his name until 5s before his death. Darth Vader killing the mood? He was the SOURCE of the mood.

[stomination]

I approve of this post. People complaining about certain things in TLJ and TFA need to go rewatch the originals.

Yea its a great fake post.

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Since when is consistency called "head canon" ?

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That's literally the most stupid commentary of star wars I've seen this month.

What movie is he actually talking about? 4,5 and 6 all together? And why does he mention prequels, that came out much later? "Abandons his friends"? Like where exactly?? Has anybody in history of star wars considered Luke's decision to try to save his friends illogical?? Can somebody be so stupid to not see a difference between what single character said and officially recognized canon? How is Cloud City pointless?? - its literally the main story driving element of the movie. Where was that build-up for Boba Fett? We literally didn't know his name until 5s before his death. Darth Vader killing the mood? He was the SOURCE of the mood.

You don't get it that they couldn't post that in the 1980s?

[Shadowferal]

I really like what the movie did to set up the future. And i really like how this movie opened up what the force can be.

Yeah, it shows that immature children having temper tantrums can rule if they have the Force.