[Movie] Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

[Kellorion]

So wait, you're telling me that Snoke's throne room was his "throne room"?

Meant his mannerisms. His projecting of power through movements, his using his height to lord over people, his absolute certainy, everything.

[Zeta333]

You're coming off so cringe dude, and arguing about physics in a scifi movie that has never tried to be serious about it is one of the most stupidest things to argue about. You didn't like the movie, I get it, now sit back, relax, and move on. Your opinion doesn't need to be the right one.

Also Disney trash? I think they did a way better job then LUCAS FILMS did with the prequels. You're arguments are just so immature and not well thought out.

Come up with a better argument than ITS SCIFI IT DOESNT HAVE TO MAKE SENSE. Starwars has had in universe mechanics, and explanations for and how damn near everything/works. Hyperspace was pretty much fleshed out, but according to disneys version episode one would have never happened. Why run the trade federation blockade when you can just jump into hyperspace in a gravity well and be off to corusant. Why send an armada to fight a deathstar when you can just send a cruiser to hyperspace ram it. Sorry id like things to make a little sense. You people cant just slap scifi sticker on it and say that explains magic and fuckery. If you like the flashy lights and loud explosions then fine go drool on your popcorn and begone.

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Meant his mannerisms. His projecting of power through movements, his using his height to lord over people, his absolute certainy, everything.

I enjoyed his guards being so far away they wouldnt have been able to stop anyone from killing him.

[Schmittay]

Come up with a better argument than ITS SCIFI IT DOESNT HAVE TO MAKE SENSE. Starwars has had in universe mechanics, and explanations for and how damn near everything/works. Hyperspace was pretty much fleshed out, but according to disneys version episode one would have never happened. Why run the trade federation blockade when you can just jump into hyperspace in a gravity well and be off to corusant. Why send an armada to fight a deathstar when you can just send a cruiser to hyperspace ram it. Sorry id like things to make a little sense. You people cant just slap scifi sticker on it and say that explains magic and fuckery. If you like the flashy lights and loud explosions then fine go drool on your popcorn and begone.

Tiny unmanned (or manned) craft with the ability to go faster than light and ram into anything = wipe out anything (like entire fleets and planets) in any scifi show with that capability. Except it would be a shitty movie / show, so they obviously can't follow the laws of physics so they...wait for it...don't follow conventional physics. Stop being that ​guy.

"and begone"....really?Cringe intensifies.

[Zeta333]

Tiny unmanned (or manned) craft with the ability to go faster than light and ram into anything = wipe out anything (like entire fleets and planets) in any scifi show with that capability. Except it would be a shitty movie / show, so they obviously can't follow the laws of physics so they...wait for it...don't follow conventional physics. Stop being that ​guy.

"and begone"....really?Cringe intensifies.

Go back to watching flashy lights since thinking things through is to hard. Your obviously disneys target audience right now, as plot and story breaking mechanics fly right over your head.

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Go back to watching flashy lights since thinking things through is to hard. Your obviously disneys target audience right now, as plot and story breaking mechanics fly right over your head.

When one completely ignores a valid argument and goes straight to insults you know they've lost. I know you NEED to be right, but it's perfectly fine to not be sometimes. Happy new years dude.

[Zeta333]

When one completely ignores a valid argument and goes straight to insults you know they've lost. I know you NEED to be right, but it's perfectly fine to not be sometimes. Happy new years dude.

your argument is its scifi anything can happen.

[shaunika123]

your argument is its scifi anything can happen.

Well first of all it's not scifi it's fantasy.

but why nitpick that genuinely well executed moment, when there's like 500 genuinely bad things about the movie, that's like trying to shoot a pigeon in the middle of 500 turkeys.

why is it a problem that they take the universe forward "technology" wise

TFA had the whole "hyperjump inside the atmosphere" thing that was also genuinely cool imho

and this had the hyperspace crashing a fleet thing

it has been over 30 years since Jedi happened, they couldve come up with that concept after.

star wars never really lacked plot holes.

like, a new hope is already stupid in its own right, because it implies the constructors of the deathstar were so incompetent that they literally put a self destruct button on outside of it.

but that's not the point, it's a fairy tale in space. so small logic leaps like this shouldnt matter.

you know what has to make sense? the story and the characters, and they dont make a lick of sense in TLJ. THATS an issue.

a hyperspace shattering a space fleet in half isnt really, it looks cool, and sounds awesome, and its an acceptable thing in the star wars universe.

I mean think about it, if any time anyone writing/directing a star wars movie came up with a new cool idea to do, they went "well that didnt happen before so it cant happen in this movie"

[Zeta333]

Well first of all it's not scifi it's fantasy.

but why nitpick that genuinely well executed moment, when there's like 500 genuinely bad things about the movie, that's like trying to shoot a pigeon in the middle of 500 turkeys.

why is it a problem that they take the universe forward "technology" wise

TFA had the whole "hyperjump inside the atmosphere" thing that was also genuinely cool imho

and this had the hyperspace crashing a fleet thing

it has been over 30 years since Jedi happened, they couldve come up with that concept after.

star wars never really lacked plot holes.

like, a new hope is already stupid in its own right, because it implies the constructors of the deathstar were so incompetent that they literally put a self destruct button on outside of it.

but that's not the point, it's a fairy tale in space. so small logic leaps like this shouldnt matter.

you know what has to make sense? the story and the characters, and they dont make a lick of sense in TLJ. THATS an issue.

a hyperspace shattering a space fleet in half isnt really, it looks cool, and sounds awesome, and its an acceptable thing in the star wars universe.

I mean think about it, if any time anyone writing/directing a star wars movie came up with a new cool idea to do, they went "well that didnt happen before so it cant happen in this movie"

if we are just going to have a movie of things that look cool and sound awsome why not hire micheal bay for the next one, he does looks cool and sounds awsome. I didnt read starwars or watch it becuase things looked cool and sounded awsome. It was never about either of those things, it was an amazing expansive universe. And tbh if they are just going to throw shit in there cus it looks cool and sounds awsome they should just go die in a fire. Thats not what we need more of.

[Tackhisis]

Only 3 weeks and its the 3rd highest earning movie of 2017, highest domestic.

But it is 31% worse than its predecessor, and the difference keeps increasing.

[Deleted]

Again, where is that woman in a stupid dress identified by name? Minute and second, please.

The concept of movie credits is new for you?

Why are you equating human races with alien species?

That's somekind of xenophobia you are now presenting?

[PACOX]

But it is 31% worse than its predecessor, and the difference keeps increasing.

Being that it still hit #1 domestic and 3 world says a number of stuff, the movie being deemed a failure isn't one of them. Movie attendance is down in general.

[tyrlaan]

When one completely ignores a valid argument and goes straight to insults you know they've lost. I know you NEED to be right, but it's perfectly fine to not be sometimes. Happy new years dude.

The dude's been Mr. Salt since he stepped into this conversation. Mods already asked for things to tone down once since he joined, but I'm sure he'd say he's not the problem.

But it is 31% worse than its predecessor, and the difference keeps increasing.

Guys, WoW is dead.

[Snuffleupagus]

It wasn't great as a Star Wars film. Okay as a movie in general (if you look at it as not a Star Wars movie), but otherwise just weird.

Overall, it seemed like the Director wanted to "make his own Star Wars movie", which quite frankly he shouldn't have.

The BAD:
- Ignoring the fact that an old man (Lor San Tekka) who has a map to Luke, knows Kylo Ren, and happens to live on the same planet as Rey (Jakku) means that The Force Awakens starts on a massive coincidence. This movie has retroactively made tFA bad.
- The endless slapstick was out of place. Luke throwing the lightsaber aside was bad, the cooked Porg was bad, the Porg against the windscreen was bad, the bad phone line gag with Hux and Poe was bad, Fnn running around in his leaking suit was bad, Luke and the blue milk... it was all just bad.
- I understand why the Porgs where there (puffins), but extrapolating them further into the story was a poor choice.
- The entire casino adventure lends nothing to the story.
- Rose was obviously shoehorned into the movie and didn't need to be there. In fact, she should have been replaced with Poe and the "love" story discarded. OR alternatively, she should have been introduced in tFA, even at the end.
- The movie was 30 minutes too long.
- Kylo Ren is not suited to be the archvillain.
- All that build up for Snoke and then killing him off.
- Yoda acting like a child. Why? Did they not watch Empire?
- Holdo didn't need to be in the movie. Instead of killing Admiral Ackbar offscreen so casually, they could have had him fill in that role. Also, the hyperspace ram was actually pretty bad despite looking cool. Why not just send unmanned drone into large targets at light speed in future? The Death Star could have been destroyed by sending a handful of craft (which they lost more than in trying to attack it) at lightspeed.
- Phasma was useless. Moreso than Boba Fett, which is insane considering they were obviously trying to position her to be in a Boba Fett type role.
- DJ (Benicio Del Toro) was another useless character. Would have been more interesting to have him be the person they were looking for all along (in the same vein that Luke was searching for a great Jedi Master when he found Yoda - subversion of expectation) and maybe even have had him gamble away the token they were looking for (the one Theroux had) and get arrested over debt before they find him.

The GOOD:
- Luke being a flawed character was an interesting choice and made for a good arc (apart from just killing him off like that).
- Driver portrays an excellent villain overall and is pretty much what I'd expected from Anakin in the prequels.
- Despite my above comment about killing Snoke off (still a mistake), I did like that he didn't see it coming. The way he described his vision showing Ren striking down his "true enemy" was quite well done, although showing the lightsaber slowly rotating in several shots was unnecessary.
- The Luke/Kylo fight at the end (except Luke brushing off his shoulder after the initial assault - that belongs in trash-tier anime, not Star Wars), although again - far too on the nose with shoving it in our faces that Luke wasn't really there. He shouldn't have looked younger or had his old lightsaber (which we saw destroyed not long before that scene), allowing us to actually be as shocked as Kylo when we realise he's not there. Him not disturbing the sand was a nice touch, but the acrobatics and excessively choreographed fight was another mistake.

Unfortunately, this doesn't leave me looking forward to Star Wars 9, and it really seems like despite the opportunity to create a cohesive story, they really dropped the ball.

J. J. Abrams has his work cut out for him to fix this, and I don't think he can do it.

[shaunika123]

if we are just going to have a movie of things that look cool and sound awsome why not hire micheal bay for the next one, he does looks cool and sounds awsome. I didnt read starwars or watch it becuase things looked cool and sounded awsome. It was never about either of those things, it was an amazing expansive universe. And tbh if they are just going to throw shit in there cus it looks cool and sounds awsome they should just go die in a fire. Thats not what we need more of.

a: no he doesnt, what michael bay does doesnt look cool or sound awesome, it looks like a colourful blurry mess of vomit and sounds like regurgitated cogwheels.
b: way to completely and utterly miss my point, I literally agree with you, ITS NOT WHAT STAR WARS IS ABOUT, so why complain about a 10 second scene, which star wars isnt about? why not complain about how what it should be about (great characters) is fucked up?

[tyrlaan]

Heh, only agree with three of your bad points, which really just goes to show how different tastes can be. Left them below if you're curious.

- The movie was 30 minutes too long.
- Phasma was useless. Moreso than Boba Fett, which is insane considering they were obviously trying to position her to be in a Boba Fett type role.
- DJ (Benicio Del Toro) was another useless character. Would have been more interesting to have him be the person they were looking for all along (in the same vein that Luke was searching for a great Jedi Master when he found Yoda - subversion of expectation) and maybe even have had him gamble away the token they were looking for (the one Theroux had) and get arrested over debt before they find him.

[Aurrora]

Being that it still hit #1 domestic and 3 world says a number of stuff, the movie being deemed a failure isn't one of them. Movie attendance is down in general.

The brand's a license to print money, it was never a question of would it make money barring a fuckup out of Lucasfilm on the scale of what EA did with Battlefront II. Total ticket sales for movies are down but rising ticket prices have left the box office earnings relatively level, so you can't blame the 31% less sales on that. Whether or not the film was a success for Disney should be based on how it performed in comparison to their expectations. I expect it didn't perform as well as they were expecting given the drastic falloff when they had thought the movie was so wonderful that they had just given Rian Johnson an entire trilogy of his own.

The other thing you need to consider is this film was actually somewhat harmful to the franchise. Every other Star Wars trilogy has gaps between its films that become playgrounds for other medias to fill, between II and III we have the Clone Wars, between IV and V we have the comic series, between III and IV we have Rebels and between VI and VII we have books. With VIII picking up right after VII there's no room for expanded universe material featuring the main characters.

[Snuffleupagus]

Heh, only agree with three of your bad points, which really just goes to show how different tastes can be. Left them below if you're curious.

You don't think they absolutely butchered Yoda?

[Zeta333]

The dude's been Mr. Salt since he stepped into this conversation. Mods already asked for things to tone down once since he joined, but I'm sure he'd say he's not the problem.



Guys, WoW is dead.

They can ask me to tone it down, but they cant make me like it, and being rude isnt against the rules. The belligerence i saw with episode 7 came out and the disney cucks were all over anyone who spoke against it is a funny comparison.

[tyrlaan]

You don't think they absolutely butchered Yoda?

No not really tbh

They can ask me to tone it down, but they cant make me like it, and being rude isnt against the rules. The belligerence i saw with episode 7 came out and the disney cucks were all over anyone who spoke against it is a funny comparison.

Yeah I mean whatever floats your boat and all that. I mean bravo for wanting to be a dick I guess.

[Snuffleupagus]

No not really tbh

They literally changed his character for no reason and you think that's not butchering Yoda?

Come on now.