Trump Supporter's I got a serious legit question for you.

[szechuan]

No, our friend here has all the answers. He has studied centuries of the voluminous literature of socialism. I'm sure he would like to explain to us why social democracy is essentially pre-maturist in the Trotskyite sense. I mean, it isn't like his opinions are based upon television or anything like that.

Modern Democratic Socialism in some forms has shown to work in fact it can work even better when in tandem with Capitalism.

[Theodarzna]

They can fix that with proper immigration... The refugee crisis is how not to handle immigration but look for skilled labors and non criminal low skill immigrants is a winning strategy. Invite anyone in isn't.

So your country then becomes a parasite. Once more then your ideology can never spread because if everyone copies Europe and has the same withered population there will be no means of sustaining yourself. Even your strategy is inherently an admission of failure, your paradise cannot sustain itself, and once more isn't a solution for the world but depends on keeping other parts of the world from ever reaching it so they can be the flesh farms to sustain themselves like vampires feasting on the living.

This very fact is an admission that it isn't an actual solution.

[Adam Jensen]

Why does it make you happy to see people angry or upset or afraid? Why does other people's misery make you feel good? I genuinely don't understand this. I've felt some degree of schadenfreude in situations where I felt someone got their just desserts, but I've never just wanted other people to be miserable, even if they don't agree with my ideals.

Because he's immature.

[Cthulhu 2020]

What is a social scientist? I mean, History and Linguistics are Social Sciences. Does this mean I too am a Social Science who can make authoritative pronouncements?

You'd actually have to have a history of posting factual information.

Rather than BS jargonistic rhetoric that makes you sound like you're talking about to the clueless, but is really just a whole lot of lies and hypocrisy.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

So your country then becomes a parasite. Once more then your ideology can never spread because if everyone copies Europe and has the same withered population there will be no means of sustaining yourself. Even your strategy is inherently an admission of failure, your paradise cannot sustain itself, and once more isn't a solution for the world but depends on keeping other parts of the world from ever reaching it so they can be the flesh farms to sustain themselves like vampires feasting on the living.

This very fact is an admission that it isn't an actual solution.

Designer babies are an option and its gonna take at least a century to turn most of the 3rd and 2nd world around. We've got the resources and low population aren't a bad thing when artificial intelligence is gonna end up taking most of the jobs anyway. China huge population with an average iq above americans is gonna help them with ai but I don't know how they're gonna keep all those people fed.

[Theodarzna]

Designer babies are an option and its gonna take at least a century to turn most of the 3rd and 2nd world around.

That answers nothing. There is still the admission that your ideal countries all subsist parasitically on other countries to expand their GDP and pay for this massive liabilities. A situation which cannot continue if more of the world reaches the same wealthy and pampered state. More over the taxing effects of providing that much material wealth to the whole planet will strip it of every resources imaginable. Finally "designer babies" aren't a very ethical choice. What the plan is to just engineer tube children raised by the State like their a wheat harvest?

This is all very hand-wavy and ignoring the core issue.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

That answers nothing. There is still the admission that your ideal countries all subsist parasitically on other countries to expand their GDP and pay for this massive liabilities. A situation which cannot continue if more of the world reaches the same wealthy and pampered state. More over the taxing effects of providing that much material wealth to the whole planet will strip it of every resources imaginable. Finally "designer babies" aren't a very ethical choice. What the plan is to just engineer tube children raised by the State like their a wheat harvest?

This is all very hand-wavy and ignoring the core issue.

I know and that is far off at least 50-100 years and by that point ai would probably be doing all jobs better than any human ever could. We wouldn't need more people and if the whole world was stable we'd all be better off. Intelligence correlates with generosity basically we have 50-100 years to fix our current problems peacefully. If we fail there will probably be riots and a ton of terrorism.

[Theodarzna]

I know and that is far off at least 50-100 years and by that point ai would probably be doing all jobs better than any human ever could. We wouldn't need more people and if the whole world was stable we'd be better off.

As a species we actually do. But again, you are assuming that "Don't worry some WoWGeeWiz Tech" will solve it all and ignoring the negative implications or possible hazards of that. The issue is the world isn't stable. Europe isn't stable, nowhere really is. There is no stasis or stability.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

As a species we actually do. But again, you are assuming that "Don't worry some WoWGeeWiz Tech" will solve it all and ignoring the negative implications or possible hazards of that. The issue is the world isn't stable. Europe isn't stable, nowhere really is. There is no stasis or stability.

I know and it's our job to identity those problems through debate and research rather than sitting on our hands and pretending we have no agency. In the United States the right wing needs to stop cosigning corrupt and both sides need to cut it out with identity politics.

[Theodarzna]

I know and it's our job to identity those problems through debate and research rather than sitting on our hands and pretending we have no agency. In the United States the right wing needs to stop cosigning corrupt and both sides need to cut it out with identity politics.

Why Identity politics? Humans are inherently tribal and group oriented. Why would we stop having identities? Those problems you describe don't seem like problems that have some solution that can be technically solved, like a busted motherboard or car problem. These questions seems to be questions of how we should live and what should give life meaning.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

Why Identity politics? Humans are inherently tribal and group oriented. Why would we stop having identities? Those problems you describe don't seem like problems that have some solution that can be technically solved, like a busted motherboard or car problem. These questions seems to be questions of how we should live and what should give life meaning.

Because people being killed by the police unfairly is everyone's problem especially if the victim is a law abiding and tax paying citizen. Unskilled migrants and illegal immigration hurts all races, they're issue that transcend race but because of willful ignorance, tribalism, or complacency they're now partisan issues. Legal immigration done right is a boon but it's just something got up in the pipes at the moment.

If we address both of those problems it's better for everyone honestly.

[Theodarzna]

Because people being killed by the police unfairly is everyone's problem especially if the victim is a law abiding and tax paying citizen. Unskilled migrants and illegal immigration hurts all races, they're issue that transcend race but because of willful ignorance, tribalism, or complacency they're now partisan issues.

If we address both of those problems it's better for everyone honestly.

That isn't really a reason. Humans are tribal by nature, and the individualist world is just a fantasy doomed to be undone by any sufficiently well-organized group. And no, ultimately it isn't so much my problem unless it specifically harms anyone I would be prone to care about, nothing you described actually is an arguement for identity. After all the community targeted is just that, a community.

Finally about skilled migration. Doesn't Eritrea, Somaliland, Libya, Egypt, Morocco, Turkey, Mexico, Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala all deserve skilled people? You are still parasitically harvesting other people.

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I can offer my parents version of why they abandoned him. My mom didn't like his track record with women. The grab em by the pussy gaffe wasn't the catalyst. My dad didn't like how he just abandoned his focus on America platform. There's a good number of people who feel we (America) need to take care of ourselves first. Before we can aid others. Trumps campaign loved to say that. Well here we are a year later with just a shitty tax bill. No cracking down on h-1b visas, the wall is turning into a money sink. Still nothing in regards to his infrastructure promises. Now he serms to think shutting down the government will hurt the dems. Newt gangarich can tell him Whats going to happen

The ultimate irony about all the people gloating that Trumps voting constituency are disappointed is that they are ultimately let done by him Governing in a way they seemingly would want. Thus proving what someone else said in another thread. The biggest issue most of the Anti-Trump crowd have is that he isn't a Democrat.

[szechuan]

The ultimate irony about all the people gloating that Trumps voting constituency are disappointed is that they are ultimately let done by him Governing in a way they seemingly would want. Thus proving what someone else said in another thread. The biggest issue most of the Anti-Trump crowd have is that he isn't a Democrat.

And Democratic Policy was better in Healthcare before Trump came in.

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That isn't really a reason. Humans are tribal by nature, and the individualist world is just a fantasy doomed to be undone by any sufficiently well-organized group. And no, ultimately it isn't so much my problem unless it specifically harms anyone I would be prone to care about, nothing you described actually is an arguement for identity. After all the community targeted is just that, a community.

Jaded. Society has improved greatly in History.

Finally about skilled migration. Doesn't Eritrea, Somaliland, Libya, Egypt, Morocco, Turkey, Mexico, Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala all deserve skilled people? You are still parasitically harvesting other people.

There's a difference between treating them humanely and something called not exploiting them as well as abusing them.

[Varvara Spiros Gelashvili]

That isn't really a reason. Humans are tribal by nature, and the individualist world is just a fantasy doomed to be undone by any sufficiently well-organized group. And no, ultimately it isn't so much my problem unless it specifically harms anyone I would be prone to care about, nothing you described actually is an arguement for identity. After all the community targeted is just that, a community.

Finally about skilled migration. Doesn't Eritrea, Somaliland, Libya, Egypt, Morocco, Turkey, Mexico, Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala all deserve skilled people? You are still parasitically harvesting other people.

I'm more from approaching problem for an individual standpoint rather than a racial one. The world and society is always at risk better stop trying to move forward, I mean it could come crashing down... You do realize that all your bringing to this conversation.

They do but we can take the ones who want to immigrate here. We create trade deals with those countries and offer aid when possible because of our intervention in China they're heading towards becoming a super power. The Chinese are trying to do the same thing with Africa as we speak and it's worked in the past with Japan. Inb4 sweat shop they're better than subsistence farming and the Chinese are slowly building a middle class which partly because of us. Botswana is another country that getting slowly pulled out of poverty by offering resources while attempting to diversify.

[szechuan]

Well unlike the republicans who seem to think the George bush jr doctrine is still viable. The dems seem capable of learning from past mistakes. Trump and the current GoP are making them look like paragons. If they can keep it up is the real question.

They won't be soon, those new young Republicans will turn away from Capitalistic Healthcare once they realize how expensive and inefficient U.S. Healthcare is and they have to fend for themselves.

[Theodarzna]

And Democratic Policy was better in Healthcare before Trump came in.

I don't disagree with the statement that America has a terrible health care system. I envy for example the NHS or some sort of National Health Care policy. Not that I don't recognize its hazards to liberty and the problem of funding it over a long period of time when most countries face population contraction. The liberty question being that now the State is invested in our health and may start regulating and prescribing our diet. Then again America is so riddled with morbid obesity maybe these fat fucks need to be whipped into shape. Also, I am a tad biased as I was born in the UK and might be prone to looking at Britains ways more sympathetically.

Trumps Health Care policy is bad, though Obama's did not necessarily engender much support. After all it was a lacklustre version of Romney Care, surpassing it to be sure, but still not exactly the policy of relief one might have hoped for from a president given untold powers after his wave election in 2008.

What I speak of is people, on the one hand, revitalizing Bushes image but then seemingly suggesting people should have voted for Hillary because Trump has a habit of doing more and more centrist mainstream ideas like President Bush would have done. Like if he declared tomorrow we are doing regime change in Iran and obviously many supporters get pissed, is that really a reason they should have voted differently? Like if Trump today signed TPP Part 2: Electric Boogaloo, would that really prove the Trump voter should have trusted Hillary instead or does it say something else considering she was certainly going to do those policies too? If anything, Trump betraying his base would be much like Obama betraying his base with not prosecuting the banks and effectively letting Wall-Street off the hook and focusing on Neo-Liberal economic policy. Is that really a victory? Or a stunning indictment of the so-called Democracy we inhabit. One in which apparently votes don't actually have any bearing on political policy what so ever.

[szechuan]

Trump has a habit of doing more and more centrist mainstream ideas like President Bush would have done.

LOL, Trump is not a Republican Centrist nor are his Policies. Bush WAS NOT A CENTRIST nor was he considered one lol.

[Theodarzna]

I'm more from approaching problem for an individual standpoint rather than a racial one. The world and society is always at risk better stop trying to move forward, I mean it could come crashing down... You do realize that all your bringing to this conversation.

What is forward?

They do but we can take the ones who want to immigrate here. We create trade deals with those countries and offer aid when possible because of our intervention in China they're heading towards becoming a super power. The Chinese are trying to do the same thing with Africa as we speak and it's worked in the past with Japan. Inb4 sweat shop they're better than subsistence farming and the Chinese are slowly building a middle class which partly because of us. Botswana is another country that getting slowly pulled out of poverty by offering resources while attempting to diversify.

First, do not act like you are doing those farmers favors. If you were you would pay them the same wages as Americans. If it were possible to not pay them at all Foxcom would do so. China also has a demographic bomb soon to cripple their country with unfunded liabilities all the same. Soon they too will have to ponder sustaining modernity. China will be a superpower for a generation, until most of their people are old and gray.

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LOL, Trump is not a Republican Centrist nor are his Policies. Bush WAS NOT A CENTRIST lol.

Trump is being pushed that way, especially by the same foreign policy jackets that wrecked Iraq, and the same jackals that advised Obama to ruin Libya and Syria. Bush is now considered a centrist darling. I wouldn't call him as such, but mainstream society likes to put him there now.

[szechuan]

Trump is being pushed that way, especially by the same foreign policy jackets that wrecked Iraq, and the same jackals that advised Obama to ruin Libya and Syria. Bush is now considered a centrist darling. I wouldn't call him as such, but mainstream society likes to put him there now.

Push'd by Republicans who are pushing the flag pole, can't wait until Hating on Nazi's is considered Centrist.

[Theodarzna]

Push'd by Republicans who are pushing the flag pole, can't wait until Hating on Nazi's is considered Centrist.

Lol "BUT DA NATSEES!"

Did you want to talk about anything serious?