Active shooter situation at Florida high school, at least 20 injured so far

[TyrianFC]

I thought id roleplay as a true NRA-loving American and play 'Thought and Prayers: The Game'.

https://www.thoughtsandprayersthegame.com/

I managed to get a highscore of sending 201 thoughts and prayers by mashing furiously / thinking and praying really hard. Unfortunately I saved 0 lives. I did try the 'ban assault weapons' option, but unfortunately got the error messages stating I depend on NRA donations and that its unamerican etc. Maybe i'll save more lives by sending thoughts and prayers the next time something like this happens?

[Drusin]

Thing is. When the law says an item becomes illegal, you'll either return it or you will commit a felony. What you feel about it, what you think your rights are doesn't matter. See, this is the bit where the nation decides that you do not get to keep that illegal item. Most likely for very good reasons, like you thinking you're above the law or - worse - you make up your own bullshit laws in your head.

It's people like you that we're even talking about control for.

Well I don't recall making any laws, thinking I'm above the law or anything of the like nor do I read that in what I said. Actually what I feel about it does matter since what I feel is what will be heard by any political bodies that I can get in contact with, what message I'll send to my friends, and where the all important greenbacks get donated

[Deleted]

It's not so much that the Constitution is flawed, but that we're not seeing it in the right context. The Bill of Rights is far from some declaration of universal human rights, it doesn't even say anything about life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness which would probably rank above freedom of speech in terms of basic rights, never mind bearing arms. What it really represented was a guarantee, given that the new Constitution empowered the central government far beyond what it could do under the Articles of Confederation, that the government would not abuse its powers to make arbitrary bullshit laws that had no purpose other than to fuck with people. This kind of abuse was of course a fact of life under the British Empire, which always seemed to find ways to come up with new taxes and permits whenever it needed to refill its coffers or keep a restless population in check. So in that sense, the Bill of Rights represented a promise of government in good faith, that laws would not be used as a pretext to oppress or control people, and that is still a noble sentiment that a lot of people who claim to love the Constitution don't seem to be too keen on these days.

Look at it from an historic perspective all you like, but to drag out this bill and claim that it somehow is relevant 300 years later is were i draw the line. A sentiment, that is the right word for the whole thing.

There are (far to) many people here who, when they talked themselves into a corner regress to "hur dur they won't take my rights". This isn't an argument, its a platitude that only shows their incapability to justify the utter insanity that is "the right to bear arms". It is indefensible, some of them are actually arguing that they should use money allocated for education to hire armed guards or even arm the teachers. Seriously, don't you see anything wrong with this?

I have never in my life heard even one good explanation as to why people who live in civilization need a firearm. Sure, if you live in a rural area with wildlife that can hurt you then there is a case to be made, but in downtown city? in suburbia? Not a single defensible reason as to why someone would need a fire arm.

[PhaelixWW]

You actually did. You said you weren't concerned with what it was made for (which he said was harm), you were concerned with what it was ACTUALLY used for (which you said is sport and target).

Actually, I said that my argument was about how it was actually used, which is mostly for sport and defense. I never excluded harm from the list of things they are actually used for. But I understand, as you seem to fail to, that that is a very, very small percentage of the whole.

Guns are made for harm. Target practice is practicing for when you have to defend yourself (which is harm).

No, they're not; and no, it's not; (and no, it's not).

It's not my fault that you don't understand how language works.

It seems I understand it far better than you, since you apparently lack basic reading comprehension skills.

No, it is synonymous with "practicing to destroy shit", guns are designed to kill, nothing more.

No, they're not. Again, just because you state it as if it's a fact does not make it one.

If you buy a car ONLY to look at it doesn't mean that the car it self isn't designed to drive you around. Just because you use it improperly doesn't in any way change what it was designed to do.

If 99% of the cars that are bought are only used to look at, then it absolutely changes the overall purpose of cars in general.

Shooting is it's function. That function is used to either hit a Target or cause harm to someone/something, which you are free to break down even further.

Hunting, self-defense, deterrent, fighting, assassination, etc. are all achieved with the concept of harming the target. That's the common denominator between these "several" purposes of a firearm.

Ah, so you're going the disingenuous route, I see.

Let's be honest here; you can paint that dichotomy any way you want: Their function is either to harm or not harm. Their function is either to be used in a legal manner or illegal manner. Their function is either to hit or to miss. Their function is either to shoot close range or shoot long range.

They're all arbitrary dichotomies. You're simply trying to force a dichotomy that appeals to your rhetoric. And all because you're attempting to "zing" me because, what, I used a plural? Get over yourself and make an argument of substance, if you can.

I am simply pointing out the ludicrous statement that firearms being used for entertainment somehow means they have other uses aside from harm. If that is the argument than even poison has other uses since some people enjoy watching people suffer and die.

Firearms: 99% of their use is a non-harmful, legal form of entertainment.
Poison: 100% of its use is harmful, and only 0.0001% of users find such harm "entertainment".

Looks like a false equivalency to me.

Gun control only works if the whole country is involved. People in Chicago can just hop over to the next state and buy guns.

Popular misconception. No, they can't.

[Wyrt]

Popular misconception. No, they can't.

Why not? The Las Vegas shooter bought his guns from 4 different states.

[Deleted]

No, they're not. Again, just because you state it as if it's a fact does not make it one.

Yes, they are most definitely exactly that, made to harm/kill. That is a FACT, this doesn't change just because it doesn't comply with your feelings.

If 99% of the cars that are bought are only used to look at, then it absolutely changes the overall purpose of cars in general.

No it does not, not in any way. Just because you insist on using something wrongly doesn't imply that the tool you are using isn't designed to do something else. Guns are made to kill/harm, there simply is no way around this. You can put a flower in one, but that doesn't make it designed to be a vase.

[PhaelixWW]

Why not? The Las Vegas shooter bought his guns from 4 different states.

At different times over the last 15 years or so, he lived in at least three of those 4 states.

Regardless, federal law makes it illegal to buy a handgun outside your home state. Unless they have dual-residency in multiple states, Illinois residents can only buy handguns in Illinois.

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Yes, they are most definitely exactly that, made to harm/kill. That is a FACT

No, it's not. You can use capitals all you want, but that doesn't magically make it true. The more you repeat this, the more foolish you look.

this doesn't change just because it doesn't comply with your feelings.

It has nothing to do with feelings. Objectively, you're wrong.

[Slant]

please tell me what ive been reading that is not useful?

Whatever sold you the idea that you need weapons to free yourself.

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Well I don't recall making any laws, thinking I'm above the law or anything of the like nor do I read that in what I said. Actually what I feel about it does matter since what I feel is what will be heard by any political bodies that I can get in contact with, what message I'll send to my friends, and where the all important greenbacks get donated

Yes, and that's why I shed no tears for your dead. You are good at making your nation give you the entertainment that you crave. Bread and games. So, what will you do until the next shooting? Gets boring inbetween, doesn't it.

[Travis B]

The following are NOT legit reasons: Collecting guns, shooting in their backyard or anywhere outside hunting premises/shooting ranges outside of cases of emergency, using guns to impress people on the street, walking with guns on the street without a clear cause of self defense or to prevent harm to other people.

Aww, but I was hoping to buy a gun just so I could hold it sideways and look like a badass to everyone.

[Deleted]

Hi!
I was reading that kid said he wanted to be a Professional School Shooter, all the warning signs were there and yet nothing happened.

[Slant]

Aww, but I was hoping to buy a gun just so I could hold it sideways and look like a badass to everyone.

I know, I know... you can still do that with replica's, how about that?

[Deleted]

Look at it from an historic perspective all you like, but to drag out this bill and claim that it somehow is relevant 300 years later is were i draw the line. A sentiment, that is the right word for the whole thing.

There are (far to) many people here who, when they talked themselves into a corner regress to "hur dur they won't take my rights". This isn't an argument, its a platitude that only shows their incapability to justify the utter insanity that is "the right to bear arms". It is indefensible, some of them are actually arguing that they should use money allocated for education to hire armed guards or even arm the teachers. Seriously, don't you see anything wrong with this?

I have never in my life heard even one good explanation as to why people who live in civilization need a firearm. Sure, if you live in a rural area with wildlife that can hurt you then there is a case to be made, but in downtown city? in suburbia? Not a single defensible reason as to why someone would need a fire arm.

I think you are wasting your time looking at the intellectual side of the argument. That's a fight between a midget and an elephant, it is obvious no rational mindset could tolerate the current insane gun laws.

In order to win the gun control debate people gun control advocates are going to have start thinking about this in psychosexual terms. How do you carry out a symbolic act of castration on millions of uneducated angry white men? Too much time is being devoted to reasoning where there is no reason.

[Drusin]

Yes, and that's why I shed no tears for your dead. You are good at making your nation give you the entertainment that you crave. Bread and games. So, what will you do until the next shooting? Gets boring inbetween, doesn't it.

Eat the bread and play the games?

Take people who've never shot before to the gun range so they fall in love with shooting and I have one more person on my side

[Deleted]

No, it's not. You can use capitals all you want, but that doesn't magically make it true. The more you repeat this, the more foolish you look.

It is, that you are denying this fact just makes you look silly. So, what are all these other things that guns are made to do besides harming stuff?

It has nothing to do with feelings. Objectively, you're wrong.

It has everything to do with your feelings, otherwise you would simply agree that guns are made to harm, and nothing else.

[Drusin]

I am just stating if you were given a choice of only 10 basic rights owning a gun would not be on that list if you thought it through.

Shiiiiit, it'd be top 5

[Slant]

Eat the bread and play the games?

Take people who've never shot before to the gun range so they fall in love with shooting and I have one more person on my side

Yes, Americans, watch this... this dude is not alone, but he is the reason why I've stopped giving a fuck about your deads. Get rid of idiots like him by educating them or whatever means that is bloody enough for you lot, and then come back to me and ask for sympathy when someone does another shooting. Until that day comes, I will not stand in the way of you and your glorious entertainment.

Panem et circenses.

[Deleted]

I think you are wasting your time looking at the intellectual side of the argument. That's a fight between a midget and an elephant, it is obvious no rational mindset could tolerate the current insane gun laws.

In order to win the gun control debate people gun control advocates are going to have start thinking about this in psychosexual terms. How do you carry out a symbolic act of castration on millions of uneducated angry white men? Too much time is being devoted to reasoning where there is no reason.

If this is a fight between a midget and an elephant then why are people still saying that the midget will win?

The only thing they can do is recall them on mass, as long as they do not do this then they just want these shootings to happen.

[Cthulhu 2020]

So the guy was talking about killing gays, mexicans, and blacks in a chat group, and had been part of a clearly radicalized far right group.

So... when is this kid going to be called a terrorist by the right?

*Chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp*

[Drusin]

Yes, Americans, watch this... this dude is not alone, but he is the reason why I've stopped giving a fuck about your deads. Get rid of idiots like him by educating them or whatever means that is bloody enough for you lot, and then come back to me and ask for sympathy when someone does another shooting. Until that day comes, I will not stand in the way of you and your glorious entertainment.

Panem et circenses.

Yes Americans watch this...a conversation has devolved into slinging insults and thus is no longer being taken serious and jokes will be rendered forthwith at all future comments.

[Cthulhu 2020]

crazed school shooters go after soft targets, the same as any criminal.
i know the cucks dont want to hear it, but i have no intention of allowing myself to be disarmed

There was an armed guard on the school campus at the time, he never encountered the shooter. Trump has also severely cut funding that gave schools money for security.

Any questions?

We're going to start sending young, irrational children to school with weapons? Yeah, most of them won't go on shooting sprees, but a part of me wants to see conservatives arm every kid in school just to laugh at them when it blows up in their faces because kids will inevitably get into fights and do stupid shit. Most of the time they only have their fists. Give them a gun and see how well it turns out. Have them do this little social experiment before I have kids and send them to school please though.