So, uh... anyone defending Sylvanas anymore? (SPOILERS!!!)

[Corroc]

Btw those Forsaken where ready to commit treason against the Horde by jumping ship, uniting with their families wasn't enough they wanted to be under Alliance rule which is basically a treason.

[ausoin]

Btw those Forsaken where ready to commit treason against the Horde by jumping ship, uniting with their families wasn't enough they wanted to be under Alliance rule which is basically a treason.

One group did, the second didnt, Sylvans killed both.

[TickTickTick]

'A pretender'? She's the only one who has a valid claim to the throne of Lordaeron. She's of the royal bloodline. She's the god damn princess. How is she a 'pretender'?

It's similar to Game of Thrones and Daenerys Targaryen situation, only that the Seven Kingdoms survived. Kingdom of Lordaeron is no more. Yes, it can be rebuilt, but as of now, there is no Lordaeron.

Daenerys likes to yell how she's the only rightful heir to the throne and so could Calia - the question is why would she be? Both Targaryens and Menethils were overthrown. Both lands have had new rulers for quite some time now. Both lands were not ruled by their previous houses from the very begining. Westeros was not always ruled by Targaryens, and Lordaeron was not always ruled by Menethils.

Both worlds are ruled by conquest. Else trolls would have a claim to all of Azeroth.

[Delekii]

I'm all Alliance but I kinda understand why she killed those Forsaken. Maybe it would have been different if she was not the Warchief but just a race leader, but as the Warchief she cannot allow her own faction to play North-South Korea unity. She needs to be the only clinging hope of the Forsaken to keep a place for them in Azeroth,if it became widespread that Anduin is offering a better alternative, the Forsaken would become Embraced (by the Alliance), since they'd most likely prefer living in a humanlike environment with their living families and not in sewers with abomination guards. Still hideous killing though, just like Sylvanas.

Sorry, why is that a bad thing?

If Sylvanas' goal is to protect her people, then having them be accepted by the Alliance and reintegrate into their former society should have her holding fireworks festivals in the courtyard of Loredaeron.

The only redeeming feature that remains of Sylvanas that all the fanbois cling to is that Sylvanas will "do anything" to protect her people. This is literally the exact opposite of that. Her people finally got a chance at true redemption, a return to relative peace, reuniting with their families, and she not only quashed that possibility but outright murdered them.

[Deleted]

What about sto crying about Sylvanas beign evil? She always has been evil.

All these mmo kiddo that want to play "undead" "good" are grotesque.

[Verdugo]

Sorry, why is that a bad thing?

If Sylvanas' goal is to protect her people, then having them be accepted by the Alliance and reintegrate into their former society should have her holding fireworks festivals in the courtyard of Loredaeron.

The only redeeming feature that remains of Sylvanas that all the fanbois cling to is that Sylvanas will "do anything" to protect her people. This is literally the exact opposite of that. Her people finally got a chance at true redemption, a return to relative peace, reuniting with their families, and she not only quashed that possibility but outright murdered them.

Repeat it as much as you want, but life in Alliance is fate worse than death, just ask Night Elves.

[Villager720]

I actually think this incident makes Sylvanas much more sympathetic and understandable than before. With Anduin harbouring and supporting a pretender to the throne of Lorderon who actually has a chance of getting some support from the Forsaken, Sylvanas' paranoia with regards to the Alliance seems more justified. If she tries to follow the path of peace then there is a very serious possibility that more undead would follow the Desolate Council and join Calia in the Alliance

Except she gave the order to murder all her people before she even recognized Calia.
Sylvanas is paranoid of betrayal (Varimathras/Vereesa) and is no longer acting in the best interest of anyone but herself.

[Amaterasu65]

Sorry, why is that a bad thing?

If Sylvanas' goal is to protect her people, then having them be accepted by the Alliance and reintegrate into their former society should have her holding fireworks festivals in the courtyard of Loredaeron.

The only redeeming feature that remains of Sylvanas that all the fanbois cling to is that Sylvanas will "do anything" to protect her people. This is literally the exact opposite of that. Her people finally got a chance at true redemption, a return to relative peace, reuniting with their families, and she not only quashed that possibility but outright murdered them.

Oh trust me, I totally agree with you. I sympathize with the slain Forsaken and their living families. I am saying I understand why she commit that crime.

[Villager720]

Btw those Forsaken where ready to commit treason against the Horde by jumping ship, uniting with their families wasn't enough they wanted to be under Alliance rule which is basically a treason.

That was only a few of them though. Most were coming back and she killed everyone. And they wanted to be with their families - hardly full blown treason.
I play Horde and main a Forsaken and this was my last Sylvanas straw.

[ausoin]

Repeat it as much as you want, but life in Alliance is fate worse than death, just ask Night Elves.

Repeat it as much as you want, but life in Horde is fate worse than death, just ask Darkspear.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Repeat it as much as you want, but life in Horde is fate worse than death, just ask Darkspear.

Darkspear are getting some fantastic stuff in the beta, what are you talking about?

[ausoin]

Darkspear are getting some fantastic stuff in the beta, what are you talking about?

Talking about complete neglect of the Darkspear leadership and their own story on how they cope with losing their main leader, hell Sylavanas is against the idea that they choose a new leader because of fear or something, not sure its def because of fear though.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Talking about complete neglect of the Darkspear leadership and their own story on how they cope with loosing their main leader, hell Sylavanas is against the idea that they choose a new leader out of fear or something.

No story is better than the complete emasculation of a race to further prop up humans, also what?

[ausoin]

No story is better than the complete emasculation of a race to further prop up humans, also what?

Oh, you mean how the nature loving tauren spread the plague that destroys nature and damages mother earth, you know their main religious figure?

Sylvanas apparently doesn't want a new Darkspear leader, not sure though have to double check.

[Corroc]

And they wanted to be with their families - hardly full blown treason.

No matter what your reasoning is its still a treason.

[ausoin]

No matter what your reasoning is its still a treason.

Isn't the entire point of the Forsaken society that unlike the Scourge they have a choice in whether or not they want to follow their master?

[Verdugo]

Isn't the entire point of the Forsaken society that unlike the Scourge they have a choice in whether or not they want to follow their master?

Did you honestly think they had a choice to join factions like scourge or twilights hammer?

[Tharivor]

Except she gave the order to murder all her people before she even recognized Calia.
Sylvanas is paranoid of betrayal (Varimathras/Vereesa) and is no longer acting in the best interest of anyone but herself.

According to the preview on wowhead she doesn't give the order to kill until after the forsaken priestess comes back to her and reports that Calia is on the field. She orders the retreat before that, but doesn't decide to kill the retreating forsaken until after she realises Calia is there. And yes it is paranoia but its the kind of paranoia we see in real world history all the time- a few members of a certain group collaborate with the enemy and so the less-than-saintly ruler decides to kill the whole group just in case some of them were in on it.

As for whose interest its in, I would say its in the interest of the Horde-aligned Forsaken to nip any alliance-sympathisers at the bud. As Sylvanas herself says there is no way to know whether those fleeing really were doing so out of loyalty or whether they had intended to join the alliance like the others but just chickened out at the last moment. Now I agree its certainly immoral and tyrannical to kill potential innocents "just in case" they might ally with the enemy, but from a completely cynical pov it still makes political sense.

[Artelia]

Well.... Its not Golden. Look at Blizzard. Every character they are done with or can say something againts their plan or even use own brain is killed.

Kael'thas. Killed because being popular too much. Other blood elves doesn't matter and nobody cared about some light red head (Liadrin) and sunwell.

Thrall saved because his own creator liked him. So they just put him aside and destroyed his lore.

Garrosh was too free in his mind. Too agresive and too much orcs ideal. Killed because without mormal reason he just go crazy.

Varian. Too much everybody loved him. He was what alliance was. Great and strong. United. Killed because it was too hard make him do wrong things.

Vol'jin. Too boring for blizzard. Bfa can't happen with him. So they killed him. Easy.

And now... Sylvanas. If someone say forsaken ..only Sylvanas come in your mind. She is loved. She is genius who can win every fight and every war only because she know where and when shot.

Yes... They want destroy her. Make her evil or just let her die in some "i save Azeroth for you" scenario. But they must first find way to force people hate her. Like they hated Garrosh. Because...why not.

When they killed Kael..he was traitor created only to be hated traitor.

When they put Thrall aside they just force him do things out of character.

They killed Garrosh after he traitored horde and bombed theramore.

Killed Voljin and Varian in same time only to force people look at Sylvanas. Because we where shocked more by her as warchief more than some deaths.

And now...they kill Sylvanas because they want make story where she will be main protagonist or she can stop main protagonist. Who know. But first..they force you to hate her. Make Saurfang little good honorable orc and Anduin little good alliance king who killed angry hated bitch.

And even we who really like her since w3 just must wait for what blizzard put on us.

But In fact if they make Saurfang warchief. Im done.

[GetCrunk]

In page 19 of the book she says that she does not want to follow Garosh footsteps, but in Arathi she does what Garosh has done "follow me or die".
Is like they forgot that in 200 pages