So, uh... anyone defending Sylvanas anymore? (SPOILERS!!!)

[ausoin]

Did you honestly think they had a choice to join factions like scourge or twilights hammer?

So you are comparing reuniting with your loved ones with joining factions that want complete destruction?

Noice

Or do you mean they didnt have a choice when they joined those factions than yes they didnt but whats does that have to do with anything?

[Dalheim]

'A pretender'? She's the only one who has a valid claim to the throne of Lordaeron. She's of the royal bloodline. She's the god damn princess. How is she a 'pretender'?

Does she really have a claim, though? She's older than Arthas, yet she was not next in line for the throne? We don't know how royal ascension works in Lordaeron.

[Corroc]

Isn't the entire point of the Forsaken society that unlike the Scourge they have a choice in whether or not they want to follow their master?

No? Where did you get the idea that anyone jumping side wasn't considered a traitor? Be it Alliance or Horde?

[Tharivor]

Sorry, why is that a bad thing?

If Sylvanas' goal is to protect her people, then having them be accepted by the Alliance and reintegrate into their former society should have her holding fireworks festivals in the courtyard of Loredaeron.

The only redeeming feature that remains of Sylvanas that all the fanbois cling to is that Sylvanas will "do anything" to protect her people. This is literally the exact opposite of that. Her people finally got a chance at true redemption, a return to relative peace, reuniting with their families, and she not only quashed that possibility but outright murdered them.

It depends on what kind of Forsaken you are- if you want to return to the old days and reintegrate into alliance and human society then yes Sylvanas' actions are a big problem. On the other hand if you're the kind of forsaken that has embraced their new (un)life and considers living humanity to be alien at best and a danger at worst, then quashing a move to potentially reintegrate Lordaeron into the alliance makes a whole lot more sense.

The Forsaken are, surprise surprise, a diverse bunch- an idea of what constitutes "their protection" is going to differ from person to person

[ausoin]

Does she really have a claim, though? She's older than Arthas, yet she was not next in line for the throne? We don't know how royal ascension works in Lordaeron.

Blizz cant write complicated royal ascensions so you are stuck with the basic "the closest next family member is the heir".

[The Stormbringer]

No? Where did you get the idea that anyone jumping side wasn't considered a traitor? Be it Alliance or Horde?

And yet she still killed the ones who were coming back, who showed no signs of being traitors and were siding with the Forsaken.

[Verdugo]

So you are comparing reuniting with your loved ones with joining factions that want complete destruction?

Noice

Or do you mean they didnt have a choice when they joined those factions than yes they didnt but whats does that have to do with anything?

You can do whatever you want UNLESS its against the Forsaken and the Horde. And them joining Alliance would be against both.

[Corroc]

And yet she still killed the ones who were coming back, who showed no signs of being traitors and were siding with the Forsaken.

And yet I wasn't debating about that. Two wrongs dont make it right.

[Teddybearavenger]

I think the best part of the novel I've seen so far is Genn's reaction. He sees that not all Forsaken are complete psycho monsters, and that they are still the same people they were before, albeit warped in some ways. He was surprised to find that Forsaken and Human families could come together and part amicably, even if they didn't agree.

And, of course, the heart-string tugging moment of him admitting he'd give his life if he only he could have the chance to meet with his son one more time, even in such a fashion.

actually that's the worst. what a fucking hypocrite character. Attacks the horde in stormheim, Gets revenge on sylvanas by destroying a potential future change for the forsaken. But let me pitty them now in the book. FFS no shit storytelling.

[ausoin]

You can do whatever you want UNLESS its against the Forsaken and the Horde. And them joining Alliance would be against both.

Who the hell gives the Forsaken the right to dictate on what and what you cannot do with your life?

If Sylvanas decides that eating babies for launch is the law and if you don't agree with that does that mean she is 100% justified to kill you.

What if she decides that joining any faction that isn't the Horde or the Forsaken is forbidden, then what?

What gives her the right to tell you cant be with your family if you so choose to.

That's not freaking free will its "you can have free will but I can take that away whenever I choose".

[therealbowser]

Black and white poll is nasty. Sylvanas isn't "the new Garrosh", but she's definitely not a good warchief.

But yeah, you can make Sylvanas the most evil being in existence and you'd still have her personal fan club claiming that she can do no wrong. It's okay to like a character that is evil, though... so it surprises me how obsessive people can get about it.

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If she'd let the forsaken back into society they'd start spreading ideas that she really doesn't want spreading. Sylvanas did right by killing them before they could become a threat.

Case in point. "Sylvanas made the right call in murdering her own people for trying to share ideas she disagreed with." In fact, I have to ask... are you seriously posting this, or is this satire?

[Friendlyimmolation]

Who the hell gives the Forsaken the right to dictate on what and what you cannot do with your life?

If Sylvanas decides that eating babies for launch is the law and if you don't agree with that does that mean she is 100% justified to kill you.

What if she decides that joining any faction that isn't the Horde or the Forsaken is forbidden, then what?

What gives her the right to tell you cant be with your family if you so choose to.

That's not freaking free will its "you can have free will but I cant take that away whenever I choose".

yet again you consistently fail at making comparisons. They are free to leave as long as they aren't supporting an enemy of the Forsaken. That makes them a traitor, and traitors are often killed.

[Deleted]

Is having nothing against Horde to be evil, and even little bit genocidal sometimes, still counts as defend?

She can resurrect them again so what's wrong?

Or maybe Calia would become able to.

[Soeroah]

Why do people act like Golden took over the narrative completely the minute she was hired?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

God this thread so glorious, she kills her own people for no reason and people still say she’s not evil, love it.

[Corroc]

Who the hell gives the Forsaken the right to dictate on what and what you cannot do with your life?

If Sylvanas decides that eating babies for launch is the law and if you don't agree with that does that mean she is 100% justified to kill you.

What if she decides that joining any faction that isn't the Horde or the Forsaken is forbidden, then what?

What gives her the right to tell you cant be with your family if you so choose to.

That's not freaking free will its "you can have free will but I can take that away whenever I choose".

It wasn't just for being with your family. It was being under Anduins leadership. Treason is god knows how old law and still people dont understand it.

[ausoin]

yet again you consistently fail at making comparisons. They are free to leave as long as they aren't supporting an enemy of the Forsaken. That makes them a traitor, and traitors are often killed.

And yet again you ignore that she kill all those who DIDNT defect! She said they were still traitors.

WITHOUT PROOF!

[Lupinemancer]

Sadly there will always be fans who will defend their wanking idol no matter what evil she does. That's just how some people are, sadly!

Infracted.

[ausoin]

It wasn't just for being with your family. It was being under Anduins leadership. Treason is god knows how old law and still people dont understand it.

According to the Forsaken you have a choice to make your own path in life.

Those people did and were killed for it.

But again the real problem is that she kill those that DIDNT defect, without any proof that they were traitors.

[Arrashi]

Why do people act like Golden took over the narrative completely the minute she was hired?

Because this entire book reeks of her personal style.