Now that many are done leveling...

[Tyze]

I play BM and it helps me fall asleep easier

[Chaosweaver]

Been playing hunter since TBC because I like archery. Have zero interest in playing a melee DPS with a melee weapon. I am sure many other hunters feel the same. Melee survival can eat a dick.

Then you must have hated old Survival that's for sure. It had literally nothing to do with Marksman or Archer theme. People who liked old survival and hated BM and MM (I liked and played all three specs back then) are the guys who liked playing a magic damage dot class but wanted to wear mail instead of cloth.

Old survival was so far away from anything to do with archery that Blizzard decided that they have to remake it. I agree tho, they should have just added a 4th mele spec.

[Deleted]

Used dubble tap before the nerf. Now its leathal

[Fumu]

Then you must have hated old Survival that's for sure. It had literally nothing to do with Marksman or Archer theme. People who liked old survival and hated BM and MM (I liked and played all three specs back then) are the guys who liked playing a magic damage dot class but wanted to wear mail instead of cloth.

Old survival was so far away from anything to do with archery that Blizzard decided that they have to remake it. I agree tho, they should have just added a 4th mele spec.

Old Survival’s flavor felt like a DnD Arcane Archer. That was fun for many people, myself included.

[ydraw]

Then you must have hated old Survival that's for sure. It had literally nothing to do with Marksman or Archer theme. People who liked old survival and hated BM and MM (I liked and played all three specs back then) are the guys who liked playing a magic damage dot class but wanted to wear mail instead of cloth.

I liked all the ranged specs.

Don't like Melee and never will, and taking away a ranged spec to add a melee spec that most hunters have no interest in is the worst thing that's ever happened to the class.

[Gsara]

I like all the specs but will be playing BM because my guild needs ranged players. Ill probably end up playing all three specs though at some point in the xpac.

[NutellaCrepe]

You have to understand how autistic Hunters are about melee Survival. It doesn't matter if it's the best designed spec in the game, they'll still hate it just because it's melee and that's different.

Why do you have to be a drama queen and insult people who simply don't like a play style? Why do you care enough to call people autistic? Are you projecting?

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I liked all the ranged specs.

Don't like Melee and never will, and taking away a ranged spec to add a melee spec that most hunters have no interest in is the worst thing that's ever happened to the class.

I must say I disagree. In the past Surv and MM have been extremely close together (usually 2-3 skills difference and a cool down difference on the traps). With thew way talents are designed now, they could easily re-work the MM talent / work with azerite gear to add very different feels to MM to be more akin to old school ranged surv spec if that's what you are looking for.

[Bepples]

Believe it or not, survival is by far the most fun spec at the moment but most hunter players won't ever try it because it's not ranged. Both Survival and Marksmanship top stat is Haste so all of you MM players out there feel free to give Survival a try it's better than you think both gameplay wise and dps wise.

God forbid people picked a purely ranged class to play a ranged DPS and therefore aren't willing to play a melee spec when it gets shoehorned into the class.

Maybe you should spend less time deflecting blame to the players who don't give a shit about the spec and more time seriously considering the validity of a melee spec in the Hunter class when it has such a small audience within the class and has so far done a bad job at pulling in anyone from outside the class.

You have to understand how autistic Hunters are about melee Survival. It doesn't matter if it's the best designed spec in the game, they'll still hate it just because it's melee and that's different.

Same goes to you. You have this same entitled attitude in other specs: Hunters MUST like Survival and how DARE they not play it!!! This is what happens when you shoehorn a spec with a totally alien playstyle to a class at the expense of a popular existing spec. You can blame the ranged Hunters for not licking the boots of melee Hunters all you want but the failure of Legion Survival is on the designers.

Also, it's not like people who play Hunters ONLY play Hunters and are completely resistant to anything differnt. That might be true for some people but believe it or not Hunters might entertain melee specs once in a while. Although usually they go to an alt of another class with a much more established and well-defined identity and playstyle. Those players also for the large part didn't need nor want a melee spec coming to Hunters. Especially one that is, and be honest here, all over the place. It seems like people are falling over themselves to praise the spec because it now actually has a coherent playstyle but a) the identity is a bigger mess than ever and b) plenty of specs in the game have a coherent playstyle, both now and in the past (i.e. ranged Survival!).

People (hunter players) dismiss the spec and pretend it doesn't exist because it's mele. My post was towards those exact people who say the spec is a complete joke ONLY because it's mele.

I am staying on topic and giving my feedback on the hunter specs, you go ahead and bitch about people discussing and giving their opinions on the hunter specs in the Hunter class forum. If that's mind boggling for you then you should get yourself checked.

You went ahead and said, and I quote, "Believe it or not, survival is by far the most fun spec at the moment" as if that were an undeniable, objective fact. You then proceed to spend the rest of the thread chastising Hunters for not accepting the spec. @Ladyoftheforest is 100% right in calling you out for that.

Hunter is just as much a mele class as Druids, Shamans, Paladins and Monks are. Aside from ranged specs they have a mele one as well. He was referring to the people who still pretend Survival is exactly the same as it was in Legion and the people who call it bad because it's not ranged.

Only since Legion's retconning. Before then it was a thoroughly ranged class. It has always been described first and foremost as the ranged weapon use class, even all the way back to the original manual, and even to this day ranged weapons are still being used as the icon of the class as that's the one thing that is truly unique to Hunters. In Legion they had to dilute the definition of the class to make Survival fit; that's why I use the term "shoehorning" because their primary goal was to force a melee spec onto the Hunter class at all costs rather than to make the spec/class better by introducing melee.

And yes, I call Survival bad because it's melee. I came to this class specifically to play a ranged weapon spec and ranged Survival was the spec I settled on. You can imagine how little tolerance I have for a melee spec coming to the class let alone replacing my main spec. Not having a ranged weapon is a dealbreaker for me and I'm going to call that 100% reasonable. You can stamp your feet and demand we unconditionally love and praise Survival all you want but for those of us who want a ranged spec Survival will absolutely be the worst spec of the class for as long as it's melee. I don't care how well it's tuned or how "fun" the playstyle is, however you might measure that (being melee makes it not fun in my perspective).

Then you must have hated old Survival that's for sure. It had literally nothing to do with Marksman or Archer theme. People who liked old survival and hated BM and MM (I liked and played all three specs back then) are the guys who liked playing a magic damage dot class but wanted to wear mail instead of cloth.

Old survival was so far away from anything to do with archery that Blizzard decided that they have to remake it. I agree tho, they should have just added a 4th mele spec.

Yeah, nothing to do with archery if you ignore the use of a ranged weapon with abilities such as Explosive Shot, Serpent Sting, Black Arrow, Cobra Shot, and Multi-Shot?

What a ridiculous statement. You should be ashamed of yourself for posting such misleading nonsense.

Doing magic damage does not preclude it from being a ranged weapon based spec. In fact, that is very common in RPGs. For instance, the Bard of FFXIV (the ranged weapon class) is heavily magic damage based with DoTs; it actually most closely resembles ranged Survival (moreso than existing Hunter specs in WoW; even Marksmanship). It's a similar deal in Elder Scrolls Online with the Siphoner build. Augmenting projectiles is a staple of ranged weapon users in fantasy and Survival was the spec that specialised in that; the removal of ranged Survival denies us that archetype in WoW and all its possibilities and that's a tragic loss of potential and depth in the class.

And no, that's not the reason they remade it as melee. That's not even their stated reason, which I still believe to be PR bullshit. They stated they changed it to diversify the class because it was "too similar to Marksmanship", which is the type of statement uttered by someone who is totally clueless about the class. It really is the equivalent of saying Arms is the same thing as Fury. If you think that's unfair to the developers do understand that this was coming from the same person who said that "focus is irrelevant if you are GCD-capped" and "BM needs breaks in its rotation for pet management". They were creatively bankrupt when it came to ranged specs so they took the easy way out and turned a ranged spec into melee, just like how every single DPS spec they have added to the game post-launch is melee. You celebrating that is enabling the shittiest class design imaginable and I find that detestable.

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I must say I disagree. In the past Surv and MM have been extremely close together (usually 2-3 skills difference and a cool down difference on the traps). With thew way talents are designed now, they could easily re-work the MM talent / work with azerite gear to add very different feels to MM to be more akin to old school ranged surv spec if that's what you are looking for.

^ Also clueless.

As of WoD MM and SV literally shared 1 rotational ability (Multi-Shot) and even that worked differently between the specs. There was a very clear difference in toolkit and identity (MM focused on the quality of the shooting i.e. sniping, SV was all about the augmented projectiles/exotic munitions). That's why you could NOT easily re-create ranged SV via MM talents right now. You just make both approaches worse and end up with two watered-down half specs. MM's baseline skillset and theme is not compatible with that of old SV (e.g. Aimed Shot, Rapid Fire). Ranged Hunters should not have to settle for ranged SV living on MM's couch while its old apartment is given to melee SV all to itself. Melee SV is too thematically confused, badly established, and unpopular to justify continued existence and support after this expansion (or any time after 7.0 really). There are far too many melee specs in this game to be squandering our few ranged weapon specs just to squeeze in another melee.

[NutellaCrepe]

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If you want elemental ranged DPS, Shamman and Mages are there waiting for you. Want a dot ranged class? Aff Locks and SPriests are there also waiting for you.

Your wall of tears won't trigger any change in Blizzard's decision to design a hunter spec to be unique. It might trigger you so hard you feel compelled to write a subjective novel as to how you don't like the spec, but the truth of the matter is a ton of people play and enjoy the spec. SV hunters are incredibly popular.

Your ego seems to lead you to believe that you hold a monopoly on the class. I pray for all that is good that you are never put in a game design decision making position.

I enjoy SV as much as I enjoy reading how the existence of a melee hunter spec is rustling your jimmies.

[Chaosweaver]

You went ahead and said, and I quote, "Believe it or not, survival is by far the most fun spec at the moment" as if that were an undeniable, objective fact. You then proceed to spend the rest of the thread chastising Hunters for not accepting the spec.

"Chastising" is a gross overstatement to be honest.

Only since Legion's retconning...

I was refering to the hunter class as it is today, therefore my statement is 100% accurate.

Yeah, nothing to do with archery if you ignore the use of a ranged weapon with abilities such as Explosive Shot, Serpent Sting, Black Arrow, Cobra Shot, and Multi-Shot?

Shooting fire balls, magical arcane arrows and black magic arrows and having more than 90% of your damage being magic is not what being an archer means. No amount of examples of random mmo's will change that. You're either an archer or a magic damage dealing dot class - pick one.

You celebrating that is enabling the shittiest class design imaginable and I find that detestable.

Taking it way too far with the role playing and nerd raging here. I really won't bother quoting the rest. It's amazing how someone liking survival and asking people to try it out first before shitting on it gets your so mad. If you really wanted to play a magic damage dot class there are several options to choose from in WoW.

[Eleccybubb]

Maining Survival. With the right talents it feels a very smooth and fluid spec imo.

Plus I decided I want to try Melee this expansion. Got Outlaw Rogue and SV Hunter at 120 atm.

[Yhcti]

Maining Survival. With the right talents it feels a very smooth and fluid spec imo.

Plus I decided I want to try Melee this expansion. Got Outlaw Rogue and SV Hunter at 120 atm.

Exact same as me haha. Rogue and Hunter is what I'm running with this expo. If i run out of things to do then ill bring up my Mistweaver also

[Avikur]

I'm currently 115 with my Hunter, playing Survival while questing and really enjoying it, but noticing the slow down each time I level due to decreasing haste, just curious how it feels at 120 at ilvl 330+?

[RaZz0r]

I will be sticking to BM 100% mobile range dps is really nice.
Melee dps is just not my thing and from past experiences in terms of end game pve content.
Being a melee dps has a tendency of being really freaking annoying.

I messed around with MM but its just too freaking slow it feels like the spec takes way to long to get going.
Maybe if we get a decent amount of haste i might give it a go again but for now im sticking to BM

[ydraw]

I must say I disagree. In the past Surv and MM have been extremely close together (usually 2-3 skills difference and a cool down difference on the traps). With thew way talents are designed now,

The only skills they shared in WoD were focusing shot and traps.

they could easily re-work the MM talent / work with azerite gear to add very different feels to MM to be more akin to old school ranged surv spec if that's what you are looking for.

Or they could just remove melee survival which nobody asked for or plays.

[Avikur]

Or they could just remove melee survival which nobody asked for or plays.

In Legion I would have agreed not many people played Survival, however, that certainly isn't the case now (so far)

[splatomat]

I am doing dungeons as BM because it's easy and I like exotic pets. Beast cleave, yay.

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Hunters who used to enjoy Survival as a ranged spec resent the fact that their entire spec/playstyle was literally taken away. Not sure why that simple fact escapes so many people, but okay.

Me, i just boggle that they decided to cram a melee spec down the throats of a class whose players by and large didn't ask for it (I remember the multi-hundred page info requests, and Survival as a melee spec was NOT in there), and they couldn't even put in the effort to make it a tanking spec. Maybe next expansion? A medieval-knight type hunter who wields a polearm like a jousting lance and rides his pet into battle? That would be cool as shit and I don't even like tanking. Just the spectacle of a hunter tank riding around on a giant crab would be awesome. Plus, the game always needs more tanks, right?

[ydraw]

In Legion I would have agreed not many people played Survival, however, that certainly isn't the case now (so far)

It will soon change when they realise nobody is recruiting yet another melee DPS.

[Tokas]

Maining Survival. With the right talents it feels a very smooth and fluid spec imo.

Plus I decided I want to try Melee this expansion. Got Outlaw Rogue and SV Hunter at 120 atm.

which one you like better? Since I'm Outlaw as well

[NutellaCrepe]

Or they could just remove melee survival which nobody asked for or plays.

Check out the wowstats. A ton of people play survival.