Poor Rastakhan

[Nathreim]

If not for her, the Horde wouldn't be there in the first place.

Rastakhan wanted us to come which is why he sent Zul with Talanji. He even broke ancient laws of the Empire just so we could stay. Sylvanas was expecting them as well its clear they were supposed to have some kind of summit before the Alliance captured Zul and Talanji.

[Ophenia]

Rastakhan is a lot more interesting than "boring no-flaw" Talanji.

Talanji doesn't do a lot either, beyond "being here and there". Everything that was done in Naz'mir against Blood Trolls are our acts while she watches behind.
Rastakhan was in the front line of the assault on Atal'dazar by Zul. And he actually did something to try to save his empire (by bargaining with Bwomsandi), while Talanji was resigned to ... let the troll empire disappear/Azeroth entirely die ?

But Talanji in the end will be this white knight savior of azeroth, because she is as perfect (and perfectly boring) as Anduin. No flaws allowed !
She knows everything in advance, she'll never make any mistake, she won't ever wander into this "morally grey" zone, she will spread love and flowers all around Azeroth. Inb4 Anduin v Talanji perfect teletubbies world against the Void Threat

[Garkanh]

Did you really expect SJW Blizzard to allow a male character to stay in power? This exspansion is all about those strong, independant women afterall.

[Scrysis]

He's saying that Talanji is being established via the writing shitting all over Rastakhan.

Understandable that you don't, since you got them backwards. Rastakhan was known to us in the Zul Gurub patch 1.7, brought up again in Cata for the 4.1 patch, and was featured in the RPG. Talanji came out of nowhere to shit on our first glimpse of the legendary troll emperor.

I don't remember Rastakan being referenced in 1.7, so I'll have to take your word for it. Although, if that's true, I'm surprised that you guys aren't mentioning ANYTHING about how Zul is being used to shit all over Rastakan. If anything, THAT is more of the case than Talanji being used to do it. Zul is the one who proposed the alliances, Zul is the one who went over and raised the Thunder King, and now Zul is the one who orchestrated the release of Mythrax, the gradual decline of the empire, and the death of Rezan, the Loa of Kings. Talanji is just being used to pick up the pieces. So in all honesty, they're using Zul to make Rastakan look the fool. Talanji did nothing to orchestrate Rastakan's downfall.

Now, you could argue that Rastakan could try and rise up and reorganize and bring back the country himself. And that would be a valid point. It might make for a very interesting story about self-reflection and redemption. But the problem goes back to the main narrative and the story with Sylvanas and the Horde. They're very clearly setting up a turn-around, contrasting Saurfang and Sylvanas. Utilizing a story about Rastakan repairing his country would not only A) throw shade in the main narrative, which is BAD for storytelling, but also B) give the Zandalari no reason to join the Horde.

Think about it and the implications. Suppose Rastakan sees that he's been misled, and that his inattentiveness has led to the partial ruin of his country. He strengthen ties with the loa, organizes his army, wipes out the blood trolls, maybe forms an alliance with Vorrik to undermine the Faithless and form a new and friendlier Sethrak state. Why does he need the Horde again? Seriously. If he fixes his country, he doesn't need the Horde. The Alliance weren't interested in attacking his borders until the Horde show up. If he fixes everything and chases the Horde away and goes back to the isolationist policies, the Alliance might very well leave him alone.

So Blizzard NEEDS someone like Talanji. Given how this is an empire and leadership is based on Heredity, it has to be a family member of some sort. So far, we've had two rather big narratives involving inheriting a kingdom from Father to Son -- Arthas and Terenas Menethil, and Anduin and Varian Wrynn. Now, if they want to introduce a leader of an allied race on lesser footing, a younger, more inexperienced character is easier to see in that position than an older one. That's why I think they went with a child, rather than an aunt or uncle taking the throne. It also makes for some really nice narrative symmetry with what is happening in Kul'Tiras. The only real reason I think they chose a female character, rather than a male character to inherit the throne is because they want to keep the analogies between Arthas and Anduin really clear. With the sheer number of Arthas references and call backs, I think they're trying to foreshadow something significant, and don't want to muddy up the message. So they needed a daughter.

[Wyrt]

It feels like all the characters Blizzard wants us to like this expansion are either bland or just crappy while other side characters are more interesting. Zul was way more interesting than any of these crap characters, a shame he went evil.

Rastakhan is a good character. He's a king who wants to do his best for his people, but has flaws and pride that prevented him from seeking help when he needed to and ended up making a deal in desperation because he waited too long.

Talanji is just bland, barely any personality and no failures. Just kind of walks through everything like it's nothing and doesn't phase her.

[Mixxy]

Wait Blizzard is still actively adding new content on the Horde side?

Jesus.

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Talanji is way more useless than Rastakhan is. All she does from the moment we save her is fail to do anything right and we have to bail her out all the damn time. Its worse than Anduin.

At least Rastakhan cleaned up his mess in the end.

Did he though? He made a deal with Bwonsamdi, dooming his people to worship literal death forever and failed to stop Zul from doing anything.

Hell, the ONE thing he actually did manage to do - kill Zul - didn't matter for squat because "MERELY A SETBACK MON"

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Did you really expect SJW Blizzard to allow a male character to stay in power? This exspansion is all about those strong, independant women afterall.

And Nathanos.

Lordy lord is this expansion about goddamn Nathanos. He's fucking everywhere. On both sides.

And he's basically the only character actually succeeding at everything.

[Schattenlied]

I find funny how Vol'jin praise Talanji and call her the true leader and to rally her people in this time of crisis while Rastakhan is still alive at the top

Well, Rastakhan is the reason all this shit happened in the first place, sitting up there doing nothing being blind to all that surrounded him... Talanji is the only reason they didn't all die.

[Nathreim]

Wait Blizzard is still actively adding new content on the Horde side?

Jesus.

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Did he though? He made a deal with Bwonsamdi, dooming his people to worship literal death forever and failed to stop Zul from doing anything.

Hell, the ONE thing he actually did manage to do - kill Zul - didn't matter for squat because "MERELY A SETBACK MON"

He didn't doom his people just his bloodline. Also its not really doom at all. All Trolls go to Bwonsamdi after death and he treats them fairly well if they were good in life. All this means is he is now he gets worshiped by Talanji as her prime loa and any children she has.

The Darkspear already worship Bwonsamdi as one of their main loa hes very popular with them since he helped them take back their islands.

[LazarusLong]

Did you really expect SJW Blizzard to allow a male character to stay in power? This exspansion is all about those strong, independant women afterall.

How about you go crawl in the little shithole where you are from and shut up? Warcraft always had strong female characters. One of the things that attracted many girls to play it in the first place.

[nothingsjim]

He didn't doom his people just his bloodline. Also its not really doom at all. All Trolls go to Bwonsamdi after death and he treats them fairly well if they were good in life. All this means is he is now he gets worshiped by Talanji as her prime loa and any children she has.

The Darkspear already worship Bwonsamdi as one of their main loa hes very popular with them since he helped them take back their islands.

This, Bwonsamdi is shady as fk yes, but he has never been portrayed as evil. In fact, the whole "Bargain with Death" cinematic feels like a big red herring from Blizzard, and it worked because the players too naturally assume that "Death Deity = Evil Bad!"

[Garkanh]

How about you go crawl in the little shithole where you are from and shut up? Warcraft always had strong female characters. One of the things that attracted many girls to play it in the first place.

I don't have a problem with strong female characters. The problem is, when everyone is a strong female character, noone is.

And if you can't see how this exspansion is overflowing with them in every major storyline, you are borderline delusional.

Jaina
Sylvanas
Talanji
Most likely azhara later.
Tyrande in 8.1

Then we have major storylines revolving arround
The waycrest girl in drustvar, lucile, and her mother.
Bolvars daughter in stormsong and tiragarde, with lady ashvane as the main antagonist in tiragarde.

Now stop spewing bile all over the forum, and stop being toxic. Thanks.

[Deleted]

Its a real shame, how they butchered a major troll character, which people have waited for a long time, just to replace him with a female character, to appease the feminists and sjw's.

This story doesn't even make too much sense, because Rastakhan ruled for a very long time. An incompetent, weak willed character wouldn't even be able to rule that long. Not in the Zandalari society, where everything is about strength. Rokhan mentions very clearly, that we should not show any weakness towards the Zandalari, because they're still trolls and have no mercy for the weak. In the high circles of such a society, this would be even more true.

But at least the feminits will be happy i guess, looking at the Zandalari, they don't have one proper male character of any real importance.

[LazarusLong]

I don't have a problem with strong female characters. The problem is, when everyone is a strong female character, noone is.

And if you can't see how this exspansion is overflowing with them in every major storyline, you are borderline delusional.

Jaina
Sylvanas
Talanji
Most likely azhara later.
Tyrande in 8.1

Then we have major storylines revolving arround
The waycrest girl in drustvar, lucile, and her mother.
Bolvars daughter in stormsong and tiragarde, with lady ashvane as the main antagonist in tiragarde.

Now stop spewing bile all over the forum, and stop being toxic. Thanks.

And this is bad.. why? Cause snowflakes like you can't handle women characters?
There is war. Woman needs to be strong in times of war.

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Its a real shame, how they butchered a major troll character, which people have waited for a long time, just to replace him with a female character, to appease the feminists and sjw's.

This story doesn't even make too much sense, because Rastakhan ruled for a very long time. An incompetent, weak willed character wouldn't even be able to rule that long. Not in the Zandalari society, where everything is about strength. Rokhan mentions very clearly, that we should not show any weakness towards the Zandalari, because they're still trolls and have no mercy for the weak. In the high circles of such a society, this would be even more true.

But at least the feminits will be happy i guess, looking at the Zandalari, they don't have one proper male character of any real importance.

How do you live with quarter of a brain? Honest question.

Infracted.

[Lochton]

So the second part of the achievement Spirits Be With You has hit the live servers

https://es.wowhead.com/news=287766/j...uest-available

I find funny how Vol'jin praise Talanji and call her the true leader and to rally her people in this time of crisis while Rastakhan is still alive at the top, to be honest this questline would have make more sense after the raid of Zuldazar or well actually involving Rastakhan with her daughter and giving some bonding moments with her before his death in the next raid, also it seem we aren't in Bwonsamdi side and Talanji doesn't seem to appreciate him or even hate that loa and with learning the pact of his father at some point, this will increase the raid boss flags of the old bwom.

You forget the part of Vol'jin not really liking Rastakhan?

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Its a real shame, how they butchered a major troll character, which people have waited for a long time, just to replace him with a female character, to appease the feminists and sjw's.

This story doesn't even make too much sense, because Rastakhan ruled for a very long time. An incompetent, weak willed character wouldn't even be able to rule that long. Not in the Zandalari society, where everything is about strength. Rokhan mentions very clearly, that we should not show any weakness towards the Zandalari, because they're still trolls and have no mercy for the weak. In the high circles of such a society, this would be even more true.

But at least the feminits will be happy i guess, looking at the Zandalari, they don't have one proper male character of any real importance.

First of all, you sound like you should loosen that tin foil, clearly stopping airflow to your brain.

Secondly, Rastakhan is living on borrowed time. He's been alive for FAR too long, much longer than the 2nd oldest troll. His time is neigh and he is a needed sacrifice to develop the story.

As well, stop being such a whiny kid. Female characters can take charge too without having some sinister plot behind it - unless we talk like Sylvanas etc.

As for the, 'proper male character', you do know you killed A LOT of their champions in Pandaria too, right?

[Torrasque]

Are you kidding? Nearly all of the Zandalari (and by extension, most troll tribes') problems over the course of even previous expansions stem from Rasta'mon's bad decisions.

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Its a real shame, how they butchered a major troll character, which people have waited for a long time, just to replace him with a female character, to appease the feminists and sjw's.

This story doesn't even make too much sense, because Rastakhan ruled for a very long time. An incompetent, weak willed character wouldn't even be able to rule that long. Not in the Zandalari society, where everything is about strength. Rokhan mentions very clearly, that we should not show any weakness towards the Zandalari, because they're still trolls and have no mercy for the weak. In the high circles of such a society, this would be even more true.

But at least the feminits will be happy i guess, looking at the Zandalari, they don't have one proper male character of any real importance.

You do realize that most of the Zandalari's problems stem from Rastakhan since all the way back in classic, right? He failed, repeatedly, to keep his empire from open revolt and fragmenting several times over across the expansions. When the cataclysm hit, he did nothing to stem the damages outside of rebuilding only the capital, telling all other tribes to screw off in the process. Then, we came to realize that he is not only responsible for the blood trolls defecting by not hearing them out originally, but then he makes mistake after mistake in the current expansion.

Rastakhan has ALWAYS been a weak-willed, weak-minded, idiot of a ruler that has always thought higher of himself and his golden city than his own people, which is why he's had revolt after revolt. Not only that, we learned that the ONLY reason that he survived so many uprisings is because of Rezan literally handling all of his problems for him over the years. He's always been a shit character, no "feminism" required. It's been evident ever since he first appeared in the lore and has never changed.

[Feanoro]

In classic, he was emperor only of the Zandalari, which all other troll tribes respected, as they were the leaders of the ancient troll empire. When we finally get to see him, they make an idiot out of him. Somehow this is ok, not a disappointment.

[Blizzard Moneybot]

Did you really expect SJW Blizzard to allow a male character to stay in power? This exspansion is all about those strong, independant women afterall.

Right, is that why the race defined by 'warrior women' got exterminated in a genocidal purge and their 'great leader' backed by a female Goddess can't even fight off the Horde Undead whom are coming from across the sea to attack them in what was their homeland? Such stronk female power there, or maybe you're just looking for a dumb excuse.

[Arrashi]

Right, is that why the race defined by 'warrior women' got exterminated in a genocidal purge and their 'great leader' backed by a female Goddess can't even fight off the Horde Undead whom are coming from across the sea to attack them in what was their homeland? Such stronk female power there, or maybe you're just looking for a dumb excuse.

Sorry, but you can't be stealing any spotlight from strong HUMAN female characters. The game was rigged from the start.

[Deleted]

I don't have a problem with strong female characters. The problem is, when everyone is a strong female character, noone is.

And if you can't see how this exspansion is overflowing with them in every major storyline, you are borderline delusional.

Jaina
Sylvanas
Talanji
Most likely azhara later.
Tyrande in 8.1

Then we have major storylines revolving arround
The waycrest girl in drustvar, lucile, and her mother.
Bolvars daughter in stormsong and tiragarde, with lady ashvane as the main antagonist in tiragarde.

Now stop spewing bile all over the forum, and stop being toxic. Thanks.

Which female character isn't a strong woman in your opinion? You basically listed all female characters who were involved in the main questlines. Based on your discriptions it seems that every female character with more than two lines and who does something is a strong female character.

[sillag]

rastakhan literally only exists to die and put talanji on the throne, even the universe doesn't pretend his life has any other significance