It’s simple: If you’re unhappy, unsub.

[Zogarth]

I said if you’re unhappy. Sounds like you have a part of the game you’re enjoying and are not unhappy!

Sounds worth 15$ a month to me brother. Enjoy =)

But the thing, I am unhappy with the game. I don't like the direction it is taking, i despise azerite, the RNG of the loot system, the directed play experience, the gameplay of most classes (including my main), island expedition, and many things more. All the things I like about WoW has nothing to do with BFA. I like WoW, but I hate BFA. I don't stay subbed because of BFA, but in spite of it.

If the social aspect was not there, I would be gone in a heartbeat. Prior expansions at least had me motivated to try and find a new group/keep going into something else.

[Tinytalon]

It's not that simple

Except for.. that it actually is. No one is holding you a hostage and telling you to keep paying for an activity you don't enjoy. I think the root of the problem is the addiction some people don't recognize they have, which is a point where they need help.
I understand being addicted very well, I've been most of my growing life, ever since classic times. But I've broken free about half a year ago myself, I'm at a point where if the game doesn't bring me entertainment, I simply won't play it.

At the end of the day, it is that simple. People spend way too much energy and time on being angry, when they could simply vote with their feet.

[predasmoke3]

[QUOTE=Savagedragn;50593428]I’m more interested here in effective ways of interacting with Blizzard. Not as much the actual content of the changes people want to see.

Blizzard has no reason to interact with the playerbase for the aforementioned reasons. Sub numbers will always be the metric used to determine a game's success, not degree of enjoyment of those subs. Since the game is framed under the monthly loot-casino model, counting on sub chances to drop to a point where blizzard would care would be like counting on everyone with a gambling addiction to stop gambling just because the odds aren't in their favor.. o wait.

[hasslehoof]

Whenever I see someone say the "if you dislike the game, unsub" line, it's painfully obvious they are a casual who doesn't raid mythic with a core of friends they have known for years.

raided top 100 since wod and around 250-400 prior to that since mid bc and I agree with the OP tbh. You can keep in touch very easily with people that you liked playing with, the game is so stale that it's honestly just not worth my time anymore. Found it more boring actually playing than doing nothing after clearing Uldir.

[Sithalos]

If everyone that was unhappy quit tomorrow, you wouldn't have a game.

Whenever I see someone say the "if you dislike the game, unsub" line, it's painfully obvious they are a casual who doesn't raid mythic with a core of friends they have known for years.

Also this.

[WowIsDead64]

It’s really that simple.

Post on the official forums as well if you’re interested in providing specific feedback. Maybe they’ll see it and maybe your point will be discussed at their meetings. I work in software development for a fortune 100 company and you can be damn sure we care about our customers. You have to make hard decisions, but ultimately people gotta pay for your products or you’re dead.

I’ve unsubbed and am currently trying out FF XIV. I don’t actually have my first job yet but I don’t care. Just enjoying seeing another take on MMO’s. Also playing some Starcraft 2 again. It’s still a great game.

Get out and enjoy your life. Make choices, try something new, try something old. Give feedback to Blizz if you love wow and want it to be good again but please please please don’t give them your money if you actually want to see a change.

I'm unsubbed now. For the second time in my life I'm completely unsubbed instead of just playing some old content, leveling some alts, etc. Just because not only BFA is so bad, but old content is also ruined now. It's not only scaling. It's ilvl pruning, that destroyed whole gear progression in old content. And BFA consolidated all the worst mistakes from several previous xpacks.

I'll resub, when 8.2 will be released, if it will be as good, as I think. But if not, I guess, I'll never resub again, i.e. completely skip this xpack and hope, that next one will be better.

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Whenever I see someone say the "if you dislike the game, unsub" line, it's painfully obvious they are a casual who doesn't raid mythic with a core of friends they have known for years.

Social obligations - is one of things, MMO developers exploit, to keep their players subbed, even when this players no longer like their game. Yeah, I'm casual player, so I don't want to have any social obligations in this game. I want to play game, cuz I enjoy it, not because I'm obligated to play it. That's why I purposely avoid this obligations.

[Torto]

Sounds very similar to the infamous EA Battlefield V edict, if you don't like it don't buy it! Look how that turned out.

[Mayia]

Whenever I see someone say the "if you dislike the game, unsub" line, it's painfully obvious they are a casual who doesn't raid mythic with a core of friends they have known for years.

indeed, mostly they are just people who float game to game, and just don't care about anyone but themselves quite often very selfish people will say these kinds of things, good fans want improvements to keep coming.
i've tried moving onto other games my achievements in wow always pull me back even if its a casual matter.

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Avoiding ties to guilds and friends so dev's can't screw you robs you of really great gameplay, some of the best times i've had in wow have been spent with other players i'd love to go back and play during TBC knowing what i do now those times were great! even most of Wrath was so fun to me, but after that the game just died to me because of blizzard directly.

[Powerogue]

Pretty much. When Runescape stopped being appealing to me because I felt the content updates were becoming too sparse in favor of microtransactions, I just stopped playing for 6 months. Caught up on the Steam backlog and whatnot. Much, much healthier for my sanity than those people that have been complaining for over a decade about a game they claim to not even play anymore on the forums.

[Th3Scourge]

Except for.. that it actually is. No one is holding you a hostage and telling you to keep paying for an activity you don't enjoy. I think the root of the problem is the addiction some people don't recognize they have, which is a point where they need help.
I understand being addicted very well, I've been most of my growing life, ever since classic times. But I've broken free about half a year ago myself, I'm at a point where if the game doesn't bring me entertainment, I simply won't play it.

At the end of the day, it is that simple. People spend way too much energy and time on being angry, when they could simply vote with their feet.

No it not. You can be frustrated with decisions, direction, and overall feel less happy with the game than you are happy but it doesn't mean you have to or want to throw it away. There's plenty I can't stand about the game right now but I still find enjoyment out of it and I enjoy spending time playing with guildies and friends.

[clevin]

You get the game you're willing to put up with. Boycotts are nothing new, nor are they childish. If you've reached a point where overall you're unhappy with the product, to keep paying for it is asinine.

Sure, for people who're mostly or entirely unhappy, unsubscribe. My point is just that dividing people into just two buckets, happy and unhappy, is simplistic and I'm a little tired of people who categorize any criticism as hating and say "so just unsubscribe!" as if people can't have more complex, nuanced stances than "Me love!" or "Me hate!".

Note that I let my sub lapses a week or so ago since I"m bored and busy with other stuff, so I'm not unsympathetic to the appeal.

[Puupi]

No it not. You can be frustrated with decisions, direction, and overall feel less happy with the game than you are happy but it doesn't mean you have to or want to throw it away. There's plenty I can't stand about the game right now but I still find enjoyment out of it and I enjoy spending time playing with guildies and friends.

Taking a break from something for some time is not ​throwing it away.

[Th3Scourge]

Taking a break from something for some time is not ​throwing it away.

Yes, obviously, but to the OP it doesn't seem like there is a difference. I 'took a break' and skipped 3 xpacs (most of cata, MoP and most of WoD). My entire point is that you can be unhappy with something but on the balance of things still enjoy it to the point you'd rather be playing than not.

[Destinas]

There are people that I've known who want to love the game, but wind up really hating their experience, yet push forward for the sake of raiding/pvp/whatever else they are doing. In this case, sure, take a break. You're nto doing yourself or anyone else a favor by forcing yourself to play the game.

There are also people who I've known who unsub until Blizzard does the act that they want - there are two types of this person.
a.) They've never voiced this to Blizzard themselves, they just expect it. One person I met only played on trial characters until Blizzard adds High Elves as a playable race.
b.) They've voiced this to Blizzard. The people I've known who have done this did it due to the state of PvP or raiding, though of course it could be any reason for any player.

But there are also people who may be unhappy with an aspect of the game, but enjoy other aspects enough to keep them playing. On this forum over the years, I've seen people make threads about an aspect that they dislike, or suggest changes to, and in every one of those threads it boils down to "unsub then" - whether or not the OP has stated that they hate the entire rest of the game. I've, regrettably, said the same myself at times.

Sometimes you can speak with your words to improve on an aspect of the game that you think needs work. Sometimes you can speak with your money through your subscription. However, Blizzard doesn't always get that message, and they won't always do what you want. WoD was just kind of cut halfway through due to disinterest from players, I assume because they felt that a lot of the complaints from players were not able to simply be fixed (like garrisons).

So, sure, if you're entirely (or vastly) unhappy with WoW, unsub. No point in stressing yourself out. If you unsub to make a statement, you're more than welcome to do that, but it might not end up like you'd like in the end. The key is also communicating your thoughts to Blizzard - but even then, they may not listen.

[PaladinBash]

Once I finished the raid, that was it for me, same as it is every tier. Sometimes there's other shit to keep me interested but the mediocre playstyle of Ret just kills a lot of the fun in playing it and there's no way around that. Raiding's still fun, I still like that and with the new patch there'll be a new raid and other shit to do so I'm fine. Game's playable but it's not what it was because class design for some specs is awful.

[Deleted]

Whenever I see someone say the "if you dislike the game, unsub" line, it's painfully obvious they are a casual who doesn't raid mythic with a core of friends they have known for years.

I hated what the game became so much that I quit anyway in Legion. I already disliked the class changes in WoD.
80% of my guild also quit a few months later. We raided together for 6-8 years, I knew some of them since TBC.

Classes getting completely destroyed in the several ability prunings, punishing offspecs with artifact weapons (and in BfA that continued with spec specific gear traits), constant mythic+ grinding, world quest grinding, etc. was just too much. And this was before shit like forced personal loot. If we hadn't quit before that, that would have definitely been the coup de grace.
I've been following the news since BfA and it's just looking worse and worse. PvP servers are now literally removed, tier sets removed, more class mechanics removed, master looter removed, removed, removed. What are they going to take away next? Until MoP, new expansion alpha leaks were like opening my presents at Christmas. It was always exciting to see what new spells I got. From WoD it became the opposite. I feared every new expansion because I never knew what are they going to ruin next. It's ridiculous.
There is absolutely zero chance I'm going to raid again, unless they literally rewind to MoP mechanics and start from scratch again.

[Nightheart]

The WoW Community has changed so much since it's first released. I hate the fact that the community is becoming entitled pieces of shit.. it makes me not wanna be part of the community anymore. You either hate BFA or love it, you can't have both according to some players. Then there are people shoving their opinions and stating that they are right and everyone else is wrong. This is what the community has come to. It's no longer the united, it's the divided. What makes things worse is the patch isn't even out, BFA isn't even over, and everyones saying it's worse then WoD because WoD had this, and this. WoD in my opinion.. IS THE WORST EXPANSION. It's the shortest expansion with only 2 major patches, 1 that gave us nothing except a selfie cam and Garrison bs. I think BFA is better then WoD, and I personally think people who hate BFA atleast some, are doing it because Hating BFA is the new IT thing. (Again, I said SOME.)

Then there are people, biting the heads off other people because they like the expansion. Saying that they are wrong, or they are not Hardcore. And those are the people I dislike in the community. Criticism is one thing. You can criticize the game all you want, but sitting here, telling people they are wrong, they are the issue with the game and that their opinion is garbage.. Makes me sick. and those are the entitled pieces of garbage I am talking about. THEY don't care about the game. They are the people who live in their parents basement, scraping potato chips off their shirt, and smelling like Dorito's, Mountain Dew, and seman. I can't stand anyone who does that kind of shit to another person. Giving your opinion should be fine. Criticism is fine, cause who doesn't want to see the game be fun again. But telling someone to kill themselves because they like the game or have a different opinion then you, is wrong, but that's the fucking internet these days. Where people call each other faggots, and make horrible jokes.

If you don't like a game.. It's understandable for someone to say "Then unsub. Why play something you aren't enjoying?" There are other games out there much more fun the WoW At the moment, HELL In January, I am likely dropping WoW till Zandalari come out and playing KH3 (Which I am really excited for.) and atleast 8.1 is giving us SOMETHING to do.. Unlike 6.1. WoD could of been amazing if blizz didn't cut so much shit. BFA atleast has a chance, We aren't even done with BFA yet.

This is why I say, Save your opinions of BFA till the end of it, Cause it's not over. When WoD Was still going, I waited till the end to give my opinion, and I had good things to say about the raids and dungeons.. but everything else was bad and gutted. I thought Legion was a step in the correct direction, and I Miss my artifacts. BFA has been out for 4 months, it's not great, but there is still time for it to improve, and if BFA doesn't improve, then we move on.

Sorry I had to rant alittle. People on the internet and in the WoW community have just changed, and it's sad cause I miss it being a unified community.

[Frostyfire14]

This is the first WoW expansion that has allowed me to try more games out; because nothing in WoW is worth keeping up with when the next week it's easier to get.

[Savagedragn]

Yes, obviously, but to the OP it doesn't seem like there is a difference. I 'took a break' and skipped 3 xpacs (most of cata, MoP and most of WoD). My entire point is that you can be unhappy with something but on the balance of things still enjoy it to the point you'd rather be playing than not.

OP here.

My point is that people should make decisions in there life and if they’re unhappy with BFA they should move on and unsub.

Maybe you think I’m simplifying too much. Sometimes it’s useful to simplify. Unhappy people will fall into two categories: either you’re just not into the game and completely unhappy, or you really want the game to improve because you remember something you loved. There can also be community ties that make people want this game to be better.

For the people that actively wish to improve the game despite being unhappy, what are there options for effecting change?

Providing feedback to Blizzard
Unsubbing

I haven’t seen anyone suggest anything else yet.

They seem hard committed to their path this expansion based on what we’ve seen so far from 8.0 to 8.1. Maybe 8.1 is just too fast to pivot. Maybe the extended timeline for 8.1 was due to them trying to see if they [I]Could[I] pivot. Either way, I’m still arguing that a hit to their bottom line is sufficient to effect change. Maybe not necessary.

What would you suggest? Do you think posting in official forums and staying subbed is sufficient?

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Sorry I had to rant alittle. People on the internet and in the WoW community have just changed, and it's sad cause I miss it being a unified community.

Was this directed at commentary throughout the thread or my OP? I’m definitely not trying to call anyone out except to say that whining and complaining are not effective means for change and that if someone is unhappy they should unsub and enjoy some other parts of life =)

[Nightheart]

OP here.

My point is that people should make decisions in there life and if they’re unhappy with BFA they should move on and unsub.

Maybe you think I’m simplifying too much. Sometimes it’s useful to simplify. Unhappy people will fall into two categories: either you’re just not into the game and completely unhappy, or you really want the game to improve because you remember something you loved. There can also be community ties that make people want this game to be better.

For the people that actively wish to improve the game despite being unhappy, what are there options for effecting change?

Providing feedback to Blizzard
Unsubbing

I haven’t seen anyone suggest anything else yet.

They seem hard committed to their path this expansion based on what we’ve seen so far from 8.0 to 8.1. Maybe 8.1 is just too fast to pivot. Maybe the extended timeline for 8.1 was due to them trying to see if they [I]Could[I] pivot. Either way, I’m still arguing that a hit to their bottom line is sufficient to effect change. Maybe not necessary.

What would you suggest? Do you think posting in official forums and staying subbed is sufficient?

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Was this directed at commentary throughout the thread or my OP? I’m definitely not trying to call anyone out except to say that whining and complaining are not effective means for change and that if someone is unhappy they should unsub and enjoy some other parts of life =)

It was directed mostly at many of the posts i've seen on here and on the WoW forums. The whole WoW Community is in chaos with people generally being dickheads to each other. Honestly with this post, I think you handled it perfectly, but other people on this website and on the forums are just... grrr!