Fox bewails children being taught the concept of fairness

[Katie N]

Well that is the idea, taxes are meant to support public projects that benefit the community as a whole.

Regardless of how well that works in practice.

It supports the projects the government wants. Not the community. Sometimes they might coincide because the government wants something that people can benefit from too but they don't want it because the community benefits from it.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Fairness is giving all people the ability to have a Job they want and contribute to society, feeling you have the right to wanting what everyone else has is demanding people support you regardless of what you do.

Fairness shouldn't include supporting lazy people. Either work for what you want or eat the shit sandwich.

You are conflating, to make it easier for you to slide away from what I said and the point you obviously take. Nobody is suggesting anybody be given what has to be earned, but nobody should have to earn clean fucking drinking water, the right to healthcare, access to tools that bring upward mobility.

Whether you feel others have to be worthy of that or whataboutism of those cultures and places that have even less.

The point is fair is an objective observations not a subjective.

You might not be owed fresh water if you didnt go get it yourself to store enough to save the trip next time.


But you do owe it not to pollute the stream, fence it off, collude with others to stop anyone from getting it, then pass laws that those who so much as want a drink have to do whatever you say or pay you for the privilege.

That's not conflating that is the reality and the world we live in.


Where as all the bullshit you said, is nonsense. People are upset and angry and MOVED to fight when they can no longer afford not to, which is exactly whats going on.

[Katie N]

What's in it for you right, it's all about you, forget that tradition and honor and culture right, didn't you bang on about that, aren't you the one who also said why should you care about say the Vietnam war?

And the lasting reverberations for people other than yourself who were put through living hell?

Yeah the fuck everybody who isn't me leads to the kind of thinking that it is only incumbent to give a shit about others like you when it serves only you.

Are you yet another American who thinks we should care about a war that's in the past because you think we should care about it? What the fuck is wrong with you?

[Mormolyce]

That's not true. Many companies (in some countries it is required by law for public companies) have internal audit departments that answer ONLY to the Audit Committee, which in place is staffed by the board and is required to have at least an even split of independent and corporate members.

As for CEOs, yes the golden parachutes ARE a problem. But the fact that CEOs go for shortterminist approaches that will damage the company on the long term is NOT on the CEO, it is what the investors demand.

Audits are rare and usually hilariously ineffective. I supported several audits in my time, those guys were barely better informed than contractors lol.

But auditors are there to ensure the accounts are accurate. Not to assess a CEO's performance. You'd need modellers for that, and they all report straight up the chain.

[Rafoel]

What did the Fox News commentator mean when he said:

"The idea of fairness has been promoted in our schools for a long time. We’re starting to see kids who grew up with this nothing of fairness above all. Now they’re becoming voting age, and they’re bringing this ideology with them."

?

The idea of fairness he is talking about is all about existence of someone richer than you as inherently unfair. Of course, it begins with huge values, because more people tend to instinctively agree with them - "Do you think its right that you earn 1000$ per month and sb earns 1000000$ per month?". Yet logically there is nothing special about number 1000000. If you consider that situation unfair, then sb earing 100000 is also unfair. 10000 is also unfair. And finally, even 1001 is also unfair. I don't think I need to elaborate any further.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Are you yet another American who thinks we should care about a war that's in the past because you think we should care about it? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Hahaha No, I am an American that thinks everyone should care about it, because other people there besides YOU care about it, because apparently it's not all about YOU.

[Xath]

A progressive tax rate is the opposite of fair, and punishing the rich both in terms of personal and business sense is what causes people to evade taxes by relocating their offices overseas. If taxing a company higher forces them to move to Ireland, then instead of getting a smaller percentage of their tax, you now get 0.

Should be a flat tax rate for everyone, with no tax below a threshold, while at the same time taxing companies according to where the profit was made. If you had revenue of 100 million in country A you should be taxed in country A not in country B with a lower corporate tax rate. Lower tax rate but removal of all these tax evasion loop holes.

Which is why you start punishing companies that do that with massive tariffs and you get rid of loopholes a multi millionaire should not have a 14% effective tax rate. You also tax investment gains as well.

[Mormolyce]

The idea of fairness he is talking about is all about existence of someone richer than you as inherently unfair. Of course, it begins with huge values, because more people tend to instinctively agree with them - "Do you think its right that you earn 1000$ per month and sb earns 1000000$ per month?". Yet logically there is nothing special about number 1000000. If you consider that situation unfair, then sb earing 100000 is also unfair. 10000 is also unfair. And finally, even 1001 is also unfair. I don't think I need to elaborate any further.

Impressive mental gymnastics lol.

I'm sure your masters will appreciate today's toadying.

[Katie N]

Hahaha No, I am an American that thinks everyone should care about it, because other people there besides YOU care about it, because apparently it's not all about YOU.

So the answer is yes, you are.

[Doctor Amadeus]

So the answer is yes, you are.

No the answer is No I am not and no amount of throwing yourself into some unelected voice or conscience for the people of Vietnam matters, especially when you seem to express to not give a fuck about whats fair except for you.

[Katie N]

No the answer is No I am not and no amount of throwing yourself into some unelected voice or conscience for the people of Vietnam matters, especially when you seem to express to not give a fuck about whats fair except for you.

The answer is yes, you think people should care about it because you think they should. Good luck with that.

[Keristrasza]

Because that's not teaching fairness, that's teaching communism. Why should someone who busted their as to get where they are have to give 50% or more away just because they were driven to do more than anyone else?

Earn more, pay more. That is the way it should always be. You cannot get blood from a lemon and expecting the poor to cover the tab while Richy McRicherson over here can keep his billions cause "He earned it" is ludicrous. Everything wrong with America is due to the rich and them filling the pockets of people they WANT to be in government. Well now they can literally pay the price for that greed.

I don't give a flying rats arse if you bust your ass to make money, no one should be given a free ride in life simply because they "worked harder" I know people who nearly kill themselves in jobs that prissy rich people sneer at. Hard labour should be viewed higher than pencil pusher #921.

[Dangg]

Because that's not teaching fairness, that's teaching communism. Why should someone who busted their as to get where they are have to give 50% or more away just because they were driven to do more than anyone else?

"The rich people in America are rich, because they work a lot harder."

ROFL, didn't know people are actually that brainwashed

[Coolthulhu]

No if they learn life isn't fair and don't try to do anything about it, that is a mental condition of slavery, and 2nd class citizenship, regardless if you think you are first class or not.

It's a shitty system and not sustainable. especially when we have 2nd, 3rd and 4 Class all being down graded while first class keeps going up.

A mental condition of their own creation, if they don't try and do anything about it. What of those that try to do something about it and become successful and prone to avoid delusions?

[Darknessvamp]

Reading the article and looking at the piece they are referencing I'm fairly certain they're not arguing that kids being taught the concept of fairness in school is causing this but rather they are being convinced in addition that the idea of taxing the rich more is actual fairness which is where the ideological part of the teaching is coming from not the concept itself. Essentially exploiting their desire for fairness by labeling it as such irregardless of the fact that fairness is largely subjective to each individual and not a rule as such.

[Adamas102]

What would be fair is to tax everyone at the same % of income. Its fair if everyone gives the same % of income. Its not fair to say people who earn more have to pay more. Fair is treating everyone equally.

So everyone should have the same income?

The obvious answer is of course not, but since there is no "fairness" of income then taxing everyone the same % isn't really fair either.

[Mighty Tim]

Rather misleading title... any country ran not as a nation out of it's own self interest but rather a charity is condemned to suffer.

Must we forget Venezuela so quickly? The concept of redistribution has always and without fail lead to suffering beyond compare to every other system..

[Jibjub]

No, it's not objectively fair. You are punishing poor people while giving lenience to richer people. For someone who has $100, that $10 can be the difference between having food on table or not. For someone that has $10000, paying $1000 doesn't make a difference to that. It only reduces the luxuries he can afford.

So you don't understand.... basically... anything, then?

Cool.

[PL-Cibo]

The notion that people with an income of over $1 million have somehow been bustin' their ass any more than poverty stricken folks who have to hold two jobs to even pay rent is downright delusional. You don't earn an income of over $1 million just because you've been working harder than anyone else, you earn it through luck and nepotism.

exactly this. But maybe the illusion that it#s otherwise helps the american dream or so :>

[Jibjub]

Also, why are we so concerned with JUST America? The poor in America, by and large, are WAY richer than the poor in other countries. Where is the fairness there?

Want to talk about fair!? We should tax our rich about 90% and give it to developing nations!! Now THAT'S fair!

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exactly this. But maybe the illusion that it#s otherwise helps the american dream or so :>

Not necessarily work harder (but I would bet many rich people have great work ethics -- almost toxic work ethics in many cases), but often times more specialized and with more responsibility.