Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[RaoBurning]

Over Trump's tenure, several posters here have suggested Putin attacked the election (known) in favor of Trump (known) because they wanted to sow chaos, not because they specifically wanted Trump. I disagree, but let's humor that point for now.

What will happen in 2020? The Russians clearly didn't get a candidate they cared for all that much. Oh sure, they got Syria. But they're about to lose Iran, and the US just dumped a pile of cash into the military. And it's not like Trump's tariffs are helping matters much, either. If the goal is to sow chaos, in 2020, there's no reason they wouldn't attack the election again, but in favor of the most leftist, most socialist, most spendiest candidate they could find. None of that is Trump.

If the GOP finds they blocked election security, and Russia attacks the election in favor of the Democrats, McConnell will be thrown out of his position in disgrace and mocked even by his own part as one of the most destructive people the Republican Party has ever seen...while Trump is still an option.

Fair rebuke and excellent points. Chaos over all else makes sense as the primary goal. Thanks!

IIRC Skroe is no longer a Republican. I think there's actually a few on these boards who have since left the party in the wake of its manifest madness.

This is true, but I figured I'd cover my bases anyway since, card carrying party member or not, Skroe's one of the few conservative folks around these parts whose posts I read with enthusiasm basically every time. Not that he and I have ever really interacted directly, but the general sense of "I'm not sure I agree with everything here, but damned if you aren't convincing, engaging, and articulate" I get when going through his frequent mini-essays is a feeling I'd like to see more of in the broader discourse.

[Yetanothernewbie]

I like how you continually call me a Republican, despite my never voting or advocating for Republicans ever, even one single time.

Lambasting fringe leftist retardation does not make someone a Republican.

Yes of course you are just a woke independant centrist. Just like Zenkai and the others that consistantly defend Republican actions.

If you think we believe that for one second then I would like to talk to about some beachfront property I recently aquired....

[Jehct]

Yes of course you are just a woke independant centrist. Just like Zenkai and the others that consistantly defend Republican actions.

If you think we believe that for one second then I would like to talk to about some beachfront property I recently aquired....

Damn you are living so rent free in his head right now its awesome. I can't wait for you to come back to the circle jerk. mmm

[Felya]

The GOP like doesn't even talk about establishment Democrats anymore, they take the fringe leftist retardation and paint a narrative of them being representative of all Democrats.

This doesn’t make sense... they do talk about establishment democrats, they just call them all extremists. The fact that GOP has painted all disagreements as extreme, doesn’t mean they don’t talk about it.

[cubby]

Developing story: Trump friend and serial child rapist Epstein found in his jail cell with marks on his neck.

Possible attack by another inmate. Possible suicide attempt. Possible faked suicide attempt to get transferred. No, that's not my conjecture, that's from one of the sources NBC talked to.

Not that I want to see this, or almost any, issue resolved with violence or death but...hey @cubby does lawyer-client confidentiality survive the client's death?

Epstein being attacked or attempting suicide is interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if he did attempt suicide. Putting a hit on him now, which is about the only place in-jail violence would be coming from, is too early. Unless we're going to see his client list soon because Epstein is out of options...which is I guess reasonable.

By the way - the charges Epstein is facing are dramatic. You don't put those on the table without substantial proof. There are plenty of lesser crimes that the federal prosecutors could have charged him with. The fact that they are going for the gold, so to speak, is YUGE.

To answer your question specifically, attorney-client privilege survives the death of the client. I link a wiki site because it will take you both to the full court ruling, and also gives the background - which is frustratingly ironic, having come from the Kenneth Starr investigation of Bill Clinton.

[Draco-Onis]

Their wanting to fundamentally alter if not outright destroy the country I love?

He says that while giving a pass to the alt right who are literally killing innocent people but keep harping on the "fringe" left who want to give people healthcare

[DarkTZeratul]

Putting a hit on him now, which is about the only place in-jail violence would be coming from, is too early.

Nah, doesn't have to be anything so nefarious as that. Could just be good old fashioned "other prisoners really don't like child fuckers" violence.

[Fugus]

Nah, doesn't have to be anything so nefarious as that. Could just be good old fashioned "other prisoners really don't like child fuckers" violence.

This is definitely true. I know someone who has spent more time in than out (Back in last I heard). Molesters have a special place of hatred in prison and once they are known, they many times will require solitary confinement or being stuck with others like them to avoid being beaten or killed. Rapists and Molesters are seen as worse than snitches.


But they know this, they would have put Epstein in a more secure place given his crimes and how high profile he was. So this honestly needs looking into.

[Noxx79]

Really? Where, when? I want to read that one.

There’s a lot of confusion and willful ignorance.

The original exchange with Rep Lieu seemed to imply that mueller was saying that there was enough evidence to charge trump when he left office.

Mueller later clarified to mean that trump could be charged when he left office, but maintained neutrality on if there was enough evidence to charge trump.

[cubby]

Nah, doesn't have to be anything so nefarious as that. Could just be good old fashioned "other prisoners really don't like child fuckers" violence.

Good point. My concern is that correctional facilities usually keep molesters in more secure areas, because they are typically at the lowest point in the pecking order when it comes to criminals. The fact that Epstein is already high profile and is also being charged with raping children and sex trafficking (which is just insane), I would think they would keep him even more isolated and protected.

Which makes this injury even more serious. I would bet that it's self inflicted, but it needs to be looked into. And he cannot be removed from jail - no cushy accommodations for him (a foreign passport with his picture but a different name - what the fuck).

[Mayhem]

There’s a lot of confusion and willful ignorance.

The original exchange with Rep Lieu seemed to imply that mueller was saying that there was enough evidence to charge trump when he left office.

Mueller later clarified to mean that trump could be charged when he left office, but maintained neutrality on if there was enough evidence to charge trump.

Ah, ok.

Does anyone understand why Mueller maintains neutrality?

[DarkTZeratul]

Ah, ok.

Does anyone understand why Mueller maintains neutrality?

Essentially, professionalism. Since Mueller can't charge the president, saying that there would be enough evidence to charge him under different circumstances is tantamount to accusing him of a crime without the opportunity to defend himself in a legal setting. So all he's going to do is say "here's the evidence" and let the people whose job it is to make a determination based on said evidence do something with it.

[Fugus]

Ah, ok.

Does anyone understand why Mueller maintains neutrality?

Because he isn't allowed to say or even hint at him being guilty according to the Mueller report, but he can call him innocent if he thought so, but the evidence prevents him from doing that.


As said before, he can only say "Not Guilty" or "Not Not Guilty". Neutral is the closing thing he can come to to saying guilty without breaking DoJ guidelines.

[cubby]

Ah, ok.

Does anyone understand why Mueller maintains neutrality?

Because he's insanely ethical and does his job almost perfectly. He was the perfect to appoint given a world that would actually act on information (i.e. the GOP get on board with impeachment for obstruction). The man redefines beyond reproach.

[Rasulis]

Interesting. Four GOP reps announced their retirement this year - Martha Roby (Alabama), Susan Brooks (Indiana), Paul Mitchell (Michigan) and Pete Olsen (Texas). Not familiar with the first three districts, but Olsen's district is in Houston and he only won by 5 pts. in 2018.

[Felya]

Ah, ok.

Does anyone understand why Mueller maintains neutrality?

Because it’s his job and he is good at it. Muller isn’t the problem...

[kaelleria]

What a whiny baby. How petty can you be.
https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...bama-book-deal

I know, this is totally not news.

[DKjaigen]

Really? Where, when? I want to read that one.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...charging-trump

The Mueller report is done . after 2.5 years and 30 million in tax dollars the only thing they got is a maybe. The courts do not do maybe´s . So even if Trump loses 2020 which at this point i consider to be unlikely he still walks away a free men.

[Orbitus]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...charging-trump

The Mueller report is done . after 2.5 years and 30 million in tax dollars the only thing they got is a maybe. The courts do not do maybe´s . So even if Trump loses 2020 which at this point i consider to be unlikely he still walks away a free men.

He couldn't charge him. Because of the OLC memo. And the time is NOTHING compared to Watergate and other investigations, and the investigation MADE MONEY. And no, he won't walk away a free man in 2020. There are almost a dozen instances of obstruction that he can be charged for.

[DKjaigen]

Because it’s his job and he is good at it. Muller isn’t the problem...

Thats not the impression i got. he was more a bumbling old man struggling to answer even the easiest questions. Better hope Bar doesn't find any criminal activity with the origins of the investigation or the democrats are really done 2020