IKR! There are buttloads of information about classes in vanilla, those classes wouldn't have changed in classic due to the (vanilla experience). :P
I wonder if those same clowns are players that never played during vanilla and only know tanks from later expacs. Knowing is half the battle!
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I've joined groups as a tank and NOT been a leader. I have no issue with asking the dps or healer telling me which way to go *if i'm new to that dungeon* but that's me.
It takes awhile to find a tank sometimes, so if the group wants to be stupid and only accept a leader tank, they can wait longer for one.
The hunter hoe with the least beloe.
I've literally tanked every 5 man as full fury spec with a shadow priest healer, it's not hard, most of the time I don't even use full tanking gear.
Probably referring to fact that you make a wall of text on why you can't tank as fury when tanking as fury is just getting fed more rage and doing more damage.
Except it is true, CC isn't just marking a mob and keeping it in a sheep for the whole pull, challenge modes in MoP and WoD, Mythic+ all require CC, it's now about timing the CC and maximizing damage, it requires some skill to do well now.
Out of curiosity what do you mean by this? Is it that prot warriors can't perform any other roles than tanking and at the same time got too many abilities to keep track of?
I dunno man. In my experience (started playing warrior in vanilla), the tank has always been expected to shoulder somewhat of a leading role of the dungeon/raid. I lead 99% of the dungeons I tank and in the rare occation that someone else steps up and wish to lead then I'll take the back seat but that rarely (like, never) happens.
As someone else already stated. Your value is only has high as the value you are attributed by the market. If you play a common class/role and are easily replacable, then your service wont be worth anything, even if you are exceedingly skilled/well geared. Scarcity is the biggest factor here. Simple supply-demand economics.
Try sell dps service and see how well you do. You will probably have a hard time getting customers, maybe not impossible but really hard. Boosting service on the other hand is definitely an avenue worth exploring as a DPS.
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Because they started making the game more casual and it took many expansion for the game to not have ppl waiting 30+ in ques waiting on a tank or looking for one. SO they made everything a tank in order to keep the peace about que timers for dungeons.
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Yea its kinda odd for ppl to have to tell the guy who sets the pace of pulling what to go pull.
This is why Classic is better . It actually feels like playing with people, while retail feels like playing with bots.
How to play Classic :
1. Be nice to people, random buff them, offer to help someone who needs help for a quest in an area.
2. This is how you make friends, put them in your friends list, greet them when they come online.
3. Help your friends when they need it.
4. Ask for help when you need it.
5. If you're a nice guy and people like you, you'll have no problems finding tanks and healers.
6. If you're really good, you'll get invited on a private channel, with only good players for premade dungeon runs and PVP groups.
7. Profit.
Have a friend who plays tank.
Okay, thanks for clearing that up. If we're talking protection spec specifically then I dont agree with you. You got Sunder, shieldslam and revenge, all great tools for threat building on several targets, and mocking blow for the odd stun. Also 3/3 improved revenge shouldnt be underestimated, it's an amazing talent for 5man dungeons. That being said, for fury I agree with you, its exceedingly more challenging for tanking purposes in 5man dungeons.
“Listen... Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.” – Dennis
What are you even talking about? As a pala tank I do like 70 interrupts in motherlode, besides all other dps doing 20sh each. Plus hard cc - stuns, dispels, hunter traps, knocks. You miss a interrupt/hard cc in a +18 have a nice time with that assassin.
Wanna your tanks face melted ? Not doing CC in current game is WAY more punishing than anything in vanilla, some casts oneshop ppl if they don't use defensive spells. We have more CC tools now, but holy fuck some packs alone have more mechanics than entire MC.
Seems to be no lack of tanks on Thalnos. My guild seems to recruit a new warrior every other week and they are tanks almost every time. Which is fairly annoying when we've got the MT/OT/OT situation figured out and we just need Fury warriors who can throw on a shield once in awhile for Harbringer and Domo. Instead we have like 4 Prot warriors and 1-2 Fury warriors. We still kill Ragnaros before he submerges so it's not a big deal, but teaching a guy who has no business tanking a raid how to do a fight every week is annoying.
being a tank in Classic is very stressful, it's not fun or leisure time
i don't get why people do it, except for warriors that just want to gear up for pvp at 60
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Are you talking retail or classic ? If classic then im asking you: under wich stone are you living ?Druids can't tank past level 40+ instances so thats the problem
Not a serious problem whatsoever.
Just be nice and respectful to the tanks you play with, and don't be a moron.
If you act like an idiot, random pull stuff, whine about path, attack before tank even engages, stuff like that, tanks will remember you, and i'm sure they won't join you again.
Also, druids can tank, and there's just a huge fucking stigma about it, prejudice even.
Did you even read the post? At all? I made a warrior knowing I would be raiding and knowing I would be a valuable asset to my raid team as either a DPS OR a tank based on what they needed. Turns out they already have 2 main tanks and 2 off tanks. Kay. So I’m DPS. I’m also playing one of the worst gold farming classes. And there’s solid mathematical evidence to support the lack of tanks.
I’m a raider. Current raid is 40 people with 2 tanks. That’s 1 tank per 20 people.
Dungeon groups are 1 tank per 5 people.
If everybody is spec’d to raid, you are going to have a tank shortage.
I ABSOLUTELY would be prot on non raid nights when I want to do dungeons if I could make 100g easily enough in a week (I’m actually leveling a mage right now for the sole purpose of gold farming for spec change money). I make like 20 gold per hour if I’m lucky just farming mobs in EPL for grays. 20-30g per hour off Satyrs for Felcloth in felwood if that spot is open. But I can’t solo Tyr’s Hand elites like a mage or hunter can, and I definitely can’t do Lasher farm runs like a mage.
I leveled up my shaman as 100% Resto, but with my warrior, he's dps till his 50s, then he will go prot, I'm not suffering in anyway before I have to buckle down and go pure tank.
All in all, tanks are rare due to most often sticking solely to guild only runs (or damn near it) as I typically only heal guild only runs (often with same guild tanks).