So how do you think Ally and Horde will go back to hating each other?

[Sevyvia]

Do you genuinely believe I don't already hate the horde?

But obviously, the Alliance will totally believe in peace again, and the horde will "suddenly, out of nowhere" attack again. Because Blizzard's writers are fucking idiots.

[Artelia]

I really want to see how do you create war with Horde leadership under Alliance control.

[VladlTutushkin]

I would disagree. To me it is the thing that made WoW awesome. (although I hoped for a Diablo MMO) And I give the devs a pass for thinking the same and not along your lines, because they very likely never assumed, this MMO would even last 10 years.

But having two factions is obviously not all that makes or breaks an MMO. SW without factions is unthinkable, yet SWoToR "failed". LotRo wich also "failed" could have been interesting with people being able to chose the evil side as playable races.

Yes, there always will be people who want things to change after 15 years and get bored of stuff....I get bored when we change it to the point where the factions are united, because you will need a crutch to allow pvp (sorry, you are not allowed to use RL reasons, because people shoot that down as "too deep storytelling")

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Would you be okay if the Alliance attacks out of nowhere (or a faction that just wants to see the world burn - maybe the Worgen wanting their land back or whatever?)

- or are the writers idiots no matter what?

I have no problem with a scenario where the leaders of several races try to hold piece, but 1 or 2 races just cannot hold their feet still. It could be Goblin greed, Night Elves or Forsaken seeking retribution etc etc.

But I guess at the end of the day we will be in another thread how that was predictable and the worst shit ever.

Well... only if Alliance attacking will also humiliate the Horde and drag them through the mud like they did with Teldrassil. And then we pin it all on one person which escapes and get scot free out of it.

[allawyn]

Blizzard will choose a Horde character, and then hit them and the faction with the villian bat. They will have the noble "never did anything wrong, even if we have ignore the nurder of civilians" Alliance stop them.

It is the only faction plot they have ever done.

[VladlTutushkin]

Laugh how an attack on the warchief and then bringing up someone to a meeting that attempted a coup are considered nothing by blizzard.

If this happened in middle ages say a vassal King of an empire attacked another king. Then instead of the Emperor publicly condemning them and throwing them to the attacked King held said attacker as their closest advisor it would have been all out war and everyone would have known who was the instigator.

Let's not forget even being unwillingly linked to a damn coup against a monarch would have been considered instigating the war too.

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Because blizzard has said since Vanilla if you're looking for a deep story you're in the wrong place. They go intentionally with 80s Saturday morning cartoons and kid comics as base because that's what they grew up with.

She never demanded Genn to be judged or given over to her. And she herself admitted that Calia’s wasnt Anduin’s fault.

[Nathreim]

The Horde and Alliance never stopped. Sure Anduin Baine and Thrall may be all buddies but the other leaders hate the opposite factions.

The people at large hate the other faction.

[valax]

If there is one thing that'll NEVER change in WoW, it's the feud between both factions (lorewise). Even Ion stated in Blizzcon that the faction vs faction dynamic is a staple of WoW and will never go away.


However, right now, the Horde and Alliance leadership are pretty much all sucking each other off in a big love orgy after they defeated Sylvannas. Thrall and Jaina are over there hold hands. Baine and Jaina are over there making out. First Arcanist Thalyssra and Jaina are over there scissoring. Anduin and the charred remains of Saurfang's corpse is over there 69in'.

So what now? There is too much love between the factions. How will they start hating each other again so we can get back to the status quo.

Loose ends , we still have night elves wanting orcs and forsaken heads

[MrSaggins]

Either Alliance becomes the world police in response to the Horde’s history of mass scale violence and Anduin soft-powers them into a state of obedience and servitude they can be angry enough about to rebel against (add some racism and greed from both sides in the mix), or the Alliance starts comingling and effectively colonizing Kalimdor so that we’re back to the cowboys (knights) and Indians heart of the franchise. Civilization vs barbarism.

At least I hope the Horde can sit out being the aggressor for once. If the Horde has to start it, please let it be over resource scarcity. That gave the Horde such an understandable motive in early Cata. No one is going to watch their children starve.

[VladlTutushkin]

Either Alliance becomes the world police in response to the Horde’s history of mass scale violence and Anduin soft-powers them into a state of obedience and servitude they can be angry enough about to rebel against (add some racism and greed from both sides in the mix), or the Alliance starts comingling and effectively colonizing Kalimdor so that we’re back to the cowboys (knights) and Indians heart of the franchise. Civilization vs barbarism.

At least I hope the Horde can sit out being the aggressor for once. If the Horde has to start it, please let it be over resource scarcity. That gave the Horde such an understandable motive in early Cata. No one is going to watch their children starve.

All things considered Horde just refuses to learn anything. Politically or economically. They just always rely on simplest (and less efficient) solutions - come and steal what you need from someone who has it. They also unstable and prone to self destruction as a faction. Basically even if they defeat Alliance and “win” they will ruin Azeroth in a few decades or so and end up turning it into an “Outland 2.0”.

[Donatello Trumpi]

Horde will be aggressors, Alliance will be the good bois.

Same old same old. "Horde favoritisms hurr durr!".

Not having real consequences for your insane rampages and killings IS favouritism.

[LuminaL]

Alli attacks, no one cares, horde attacks AMAG BLOODSHED, TYRANTS, MONSTERS! and voila we got a war.

gotta remember that 10,000 deaths at #muhcamp taurajo because 3 alliance cities<one fucking camp with 2 tents.
not even gonna count all the zones and villages burned and destroyed in war of thorns or stormsong valley with kids crying to the corps of their death parents who are pinned to a wall with spears.

[VladlTutushkin]

gotta remember that 10,000 deaths at #muhcamp taurajo because 3 alliance cities<one fucking camp with 2 tents.
not even gonna count all the zones and villages burned and destroyed in war of thorns or stormsong valley with kids crying to the corps of their death parents who are pinned to a wall with spears.

Because Horde has a right to go full “genocide mode” each time they got their pants in a twist or feel slighted but Alliance cant retaliate because that makes them wrong and/or gives Horde another carte blanche for slaughter.

[Mehrunes]

Alli attacks, no one cares, horde attacks AMAG BLOODSHED, TYRANTS, MONSTERS! and voila we got a war.

Like Nnyco said here, if the next war is to be like the previous two ones, it can't be "Horde is the aggressor" that some people proclaimed. It has to be "Alliance attacks, Blizzard fails to address it in any way in the story and consequently pretends it didn't happen, the Horde reacts, Blizzard tries to pretend the war is all on Horde". Because that was the case with both the Alliance-Horde War of WotLK-MoP and the "4th" War of BfA.

Also, the entire Horde leadership needs to die because the current "Horde" leaders are nothing more than a bunch of Alliance puppets. So the third step of the above chain of events won't happen with them in charge. Instead of reacting to Alliance's aggression that bunch will bend over and either punish Horde members seeking retribution or outright join the Alliance in their aggression against the Horde as they had done in the past.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Not having real consequences for your insane rampages and killings IS favouritism.

Sure it is, because it's totally the players having the rampages, rather than X lore character...

Try better next time. Always being on the side that instigates war and then loses it/a leader, is not favoritism from the writers. It's just lazy writing.

[ABK Morgan]

One word - Gallywix.

That tubby little turd-nugget is sure to cause some drama along the way in the future, be it from his greed, his support of Sylvanas in BFA, or his Pimp Hat.

Gallywix, im telling you.

[Feanoro]

Sure it is, because it's totally the players having the rampages, rather than X lore character...

Try better next time. Always being on the side that instigates war and then loses it/a leader, is not favoritism from the writers. It's just lazy writing.

"Maybe if I conflate players with characters, it'll deflect that the Horde NEVER pays for the crap it pulls, just pins it on that mean ol' Blackhand/Gul'dan/Doomhammer/Garrosh/Sylvanas!"

If you want to talk player experience, the other side takes massive losses, has all characters look like shoe size IQ fools, and ends up taking their amnesia pills when it's all over. Bonus points, the mewling peaceniks get to make speeches about how they were right all along.

[deenman]

200% some horde agression as usual,blizz has shown time and time again they cant write this stuff,also tyrande isnt doing anything,she made it clear its sylvanas she wants,not the horde,they made her say that for a reason,it wasnt like jaina in mop saying to dismantle the horde,and even with jaina she was the most agresive example of aliance anti horde,and even SHE chickened out of punishing the horde and didnt flood ogrimmar,something that would have been 100% justified in that scenario,if russia nukes usa,usa will nuke them back no matter how many ''innocent'' russians die,same in that situation

[Azerate]

Orcs, which are the major power in horde, are literally space animals magically given too much brain for their own good who can't help themselves but murder random people for fun.

Sure there are a couple of enlightened ones, so you can always claim #notallorcs but in general they are just savage beasts that should have been put down years ago for the good of the races living on Azeroth.

[Tyrathius]

They never really bothered to address the fact that most of the Horde wants to exterminate the Alliance.

It was made clear in the war campaign that the majority of the Horde supported Sylvanas' genocidal campaign. Saurfang's forces were said to be a fraction of hers. Sure, they eventually betrayed her, but not because they disagreed with what she was doing. It was only because Saurfang tricked her into admitting she didn't care about the Horde.

So Sylvanas is gone, but all those Horde still want the Alliance dead. Nothing happens to show us they've changed, nor does the Alliance do anything to ensure that the Horde can't pull anything if it turns out the fifth time isn't the charm for peace. So it's really just a time bomb at this point. Sooner or later some Horde is gonna go "Hey, we should try to genocide the Alliance again" and most of the Horde will listen because they all want that too.

[VladlTutushkin]

They never really bothered to address the fact that most of the Horde wants to exterminate the Alliance.

It was made clear in the war campaign that the majority of the Horde supported Sylvanas' genocidal campaign. Saurfang's forces were said to be a fraction of hers. Sure, they eventually betrayed her, but not because they disagreed with what she was doing. It was only because Saurfang tricked her into admitting she didn't care about the Horde.

So Sylvanas is gone, but all those Horde still want the Alliance dead. Nothing happens to show us they've changed, nor does the Alliance do anything to ensure that the Horde can't pull anything if it turns out the fifth time isn't the charm for peace. So it's really just a time bomb at this point. Sooner or later some Horde is gonna go "Hey, we should try to genocide the Alliance again" and most of the Horde will listen because they all want that too.

Plus it baffles me how they both push this “Horde is a savage, but honorable nation that values strength” but then make it so “peace” achieved through Alliance showing weakness. Its like... opposite of what should be done to achieve peace with the Horde. If they value strength so much then actually pressing them as hard and brutally as possible (and not “let the mourn” after getting an advantage) would have made them respect Alliance and fear them. But alas those writers cant even notice their own writing tropes.