RIP Genn Greymane, Permabanned on 8.22.18
Your name will carry on through generations, and will never be forgotten.
RIP Genn Greymane, Permabanned on 8.22.18
Your name will carry on through generations, and will never be forgotten.
And when everyone around you insists on calling you "ma'am" or "miss", and refuses to acknowledge the pronoun you choose?
Your driver's license says "F" and all official documents refer to you by the wrong terms?
If you've been told you're using the wrong pronoun, and insist on continuing to do so regardless, then you're doing it to be abusive and condescending. Nothing more.
RIP Genn Greymane, Permabanned on 8.22.18
Your name will carry on through generations, and will never be forgotten.
Sounds like when Sweden started using "hen". Our words for "he" and "she" is Han and Hon. So, Hen became a neutral word. And some groups, went bonkers. Didn't matter, Hen is commonly used and accepted now, and quite useful.
All words are "new and dumb" until they become commonly used.
There is no "forcing".
If you behave like an abusive, condescending ass to others, over their gender identity, say, then everyone else is free and justified in treating you like you're an abusive, condescending ass.
That's what you're complaining about. That there are consequences for being a bad person. That others are free to respond to your poor conduct. You're free to act abusively, but everyone else is free to respond to you acting that way. If you don't like that outcome, you can stop being abusive. Or you can suck it up and accept the consequences of your decisions.
Last edited by Endus; 2019-12-12 at 08:36 PM.
if you expect me to use whatever word you want me to , because in your own mind that is right , thats enforcing no more
Abusive according to YOU i am free to talk the way i want and you are too. None forces you to talk to others and accept their ideas.You choose to relate with people and then choose to not to.
" That there are consequences for being a bad person" last time i checked i live in a democracy , so unless we live in some type of n.korea /china facist regime i got the freedom to use words my way and you can do the same .So this is the thing you belive in something and i believe in something different. You felt the need to reply to this post because you believe you are right , you can go your way but i dont have to.
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ITT, people bitching about pronouns when the real issue is half-wits who use "they" instead of "their"/"they're".
While there certainly are those who choose to use the "wrong" pronoun out of spite, people inherently use a pronoun that reflects how that person presents themselves. If a fully feminine, natal female, demands that people start referring to them as "him" and gets "offended" when people don't, they are the problem. And while it's not really a big deal to refer to someone as "they" when they ask it of you, non-binary pronouns aren't exactly mainstream, so it's going to be awhile before people accept it en masse. Grouping everyone who doesn't use whatever pronoun people demand into some "abusive and condescending" category isn't making you sound "woke" (a retarded term), it just makes you sound like a self-righteous cunt.
If someone prefers to be called "they", and asks that they be referred to as such with the understanding that it make take whoever they're asking some time to adjust, that's fine. But make no mistake, no one has any obligation to humor anyone else's preferences, nor is anyone entitled to special treatment. Also, people demanding non-standard terms like "xim", etc, they can go fuck themselves. This isn't an "abusive" stance. This is a stance akin to you demanding that I call you "Mr. Fart Copter" when I know you as "John". I'm simply not doing that. Deal with it or go away.
Yes, you live in a free democracy.
That means you get to accept that people taking issue with your poor behaviour is part of that system. If you want their ability to speak out against you to be restrained, feel free to join the elite of some autocratic system where such conduct would be criminal.
In the free world, you being called a "transphobe" and other such names, for deliberately misgendering someone, is exactly what you get to put up with, not just now, but forever. Until you change your ways, and no longer warrant people treating you that way.
To be clear, I'm talking about deliberate misgendering, not accidental.
And this isn't even a new issue. Calling men by female pronouns or names has always been seen as insulting. Calling women by male names and pronouns, the same. Misgendering has always been considered insulting, when done deliberately, it isn't something that changed in society.
I'll take issue with that kind of thing because pronouns are meant to be a generic reference point; if you want a specific term that describes you, individually, that's what your name is for. Beyond that, masculine, feminine, and a non-gendered pronoun is all I really feel is required, linguistically. Which doesn't mean people need to feel boxed in; that non-gendered option is broadly applicable if masculine and feminine pronouns don't fit. If you need finer gradations, that's what using more words is for. I'm all for self-realization and letting people be whoever they are, my stance on this is purely about the linguistic purpose of pronouns.Also, people demanding non-standard terms like "xim", etc, they can go fuck themselves. This isn't an "abusive" stance. This is a stance akin to you demanding that I call you "Mr. Fart Copter" when I know you as "John". I'm simply not doing that. Deal with it or go away.
the only autocracy i can see here is you trying to enforce your own opinion in others.
and ah yes the classic ad hominem , classic tactic when you have nothing else to say it always ends there.
This is what you dont get , your using of pronouns is YOUR opinion not mine , i dont have to use those words becayse YOU think i have to.
Calling me a transphobe because you think you are right is your own opinion in your eyes , is similar to calling you an infindel if you dont worship my religion.
I have nothing but sympathy for transgender people but every time I listen to a transgender advocate i walk away with a feeling that I'm being blackmailed by a delusional authoritarian into giving up common sense in exchange for keeping my good standing in society. I've done nothing wrong, why do i HAVE to agree with a non scientific political ideology?
The only "enforcing" I'm doing is expressing freedom of speech. So you're lying.
Your complaint was that people were calling you names because you were behaving badly.and ah yes the classic ad hominem , classic tactic when you have nothing else to say it always ends there.
Pointing out that you were behaving badly and thus deserved it is not an "ad hominem".
You don't. Nothing is forcing you to.I have nothing but sympathy for transgender people but every time I listen to a transgender advocate i walk away with a feeling that I'm being blackmailed by a delusional authoritarian into giving up common sense in exchange for keeping my good standing in society. I've done nothing wrong, why do i HAVE to agree with a non scientific political ideology?
But if you choose not to, and to abuse others by refusing to respect their wishes, people are going to call you out for that. Welcome to living in a free society.
Also, gender spectra issues are based in biology. Stacking science denial on top of everything else just adds to why people call you out.
You expect me to believe in your own ideas so you this is enforcing plan and simple.
Againg bad behaviour in YOUR eyes.should I go out and start calling people names if we don't worship the same god and tell them it's bad behaviour if they don't.lol no
The only fact here is you feel the need to enforce the idea I have to see the world in your eyes when I don't.its democracy , I see no legal binding behind made up words you came up with to identify yourself .go do it but I wontt I'm free to do so and none has the right to punish me for it.otherwise it's pure fascism.
I want typu to provide your evidence based on science.
And btw if you say I'm not forced to do anything why do you feel the need to reply and call me s tra nsphobe in the first place .
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1> No, it isn't. That's literally not what the word means.
2> Not even what I'm doing. Just pointing out that freedom means everyone else has the freedom to think you're awful, if you do awful things and they notice you doing them.
Intersex people exist.I want typu to provide your evidence based on science.
Biochemical differences have been observed between non-binary people.
Brain structure variations in the transgendered.
Among plenty of others. Sex is purely biological. Gender is somewhat more complex, but largely tied to biological roots in biological sex.
1> If I had done so, that wouldn't "force" you to do anything.And btw if you say I'm not forced to do anything why do you feel the need to reply and call me s tra nsphobe in the first place .
2> I literally did not do what you're claiming.