Tokens allow players with lots of gold to buy game time and shop items like pets and mounts without having to pay money
Why not? It's awesome that you feel confident to make such a bold statement, but it's utterly worthless unless you can back it up.
Account theft and botting have been legalised?
It's adorable that you think that's an actual rebuttal to what I said. If someone is spending $$ to buy gold, then it's obvious that they wish to spend that gold on something. Clearly some of that (if not most) is going to land up paying other players for things.
How so? It's awesome that you feel confident to make such a bold statement, but it's utterly worthless unless you can back it up.
Thanks for resorting to ad hominem, just in case any of were delusional enough to think you actually had any kind of actual argument.
From PvE perspective there is no actual PvE race to kill stuff and gold wont buy you extra hours and honor from PvP, so i dont see what bad impact this will have for Classic than even attracting a few more players and making it less dreadful to play gold-wise.
Someone who understands the facts of the matter and is able to apply critical thinking to it.
Your assertion is patently nonsense. You've done absolutely nothing to substantiate it. And when I rebutted it with reasoning, you chose not to address that reasoning, but instead resorted to ad hominem. Which pretty much tells me that you lack any actual argument.
It's not hard to see the obvious flaws in what you've stated, and maybe if you took the effort to actually construct an argument to try and support your assertions, you too would see this.
It is kinda unbelievable to see so many people acting like the token is OK.
It is the absolute worst change possible for Classic WoW.
The entire game is an economy based MMORPG. From your first character on every level, deciding if it is worth to buy a new Bow from the vendor, or if you should save for your abilities. You reach Darnassus and you spend your little silver to buy some 6 slot bags on AH.
In every aspect of your leveling experience, you try to save up money. Don't buy unnecessary spells, Sell green items on AH, Pick up Mining and Skinning. If you do it all correctly, you might be able to afford mount on level 40. Now, after this, spend the rest of the leveling experience saving up as much as possible.
Ooooooooor... Be level 1, run to AH, buy a token for 20$, bam, 200g. Buy some 16 slot bags, enchant all your gear all the way to 60.
Even when you are 60 it's an economy based MMORPG. You spend your gold on consumables, enchants, respecs and BoEs.
You spend more time preparing for raids, than raiding. Farming.
Oooooooor... Buy a couple of more tokens, it's only like 2 hours of work worth of money anyway... Now you can just raid log. Congratulations, you just skipped 90% of what the game is about.
Hmm.. I wonder how the game was originally intended to be played...
It completely ruins any motivation to do 90% of what the game is about. And it affects everyone on your server. You stop bothering putting up 6 slot bags on AH, who needs it? You will stop bothering selling low-level greens, only 1g? That's nothing compared to a token. You even stop being excited for blue/epic drops because they are still worth less than a token.
Obviously, prices on items will also skyrocket. Expect triple the price on raid consumables and BoEs. Expect no one to have any other profession than Engineering making materials skyrocket in price.
What you also will obviously see a huge increase in is boosting services. Mages selling leveling AoE boosts. Guilds selling MC runs with "2 personal traders".
I also think it is really ignorant to say that Chinese customers are so different than us. There is a reason the Chinese Classic players choose Classic and not BfA. If everything Blizzard has added to the game is "good for the Chinese", why would they play Classic at all? How can you possibly just state that "they want Tokens"? Do they also want LFR? Do they also want LFG? Do they also want 4 raid difficulties? Do they also want M+? Do they also want character boosts? No. They want Classic.
But hey, let's not see the big picture. Let's just narrow our mind into saying "I want gold that guy wants to sell gold what's the big deal?"
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Why only China though? I hate having to play retail now to make gold for tokens to play Classic. I'd much rather use Classic gold to buy them and uninstall retail till Shadowlands at least.
Because it literally gives you the option to SKIP and dont even have to play the game/economy.
Someone already told me:
"What do you care about how others play their game. Let them have their fun and dont tell them how to play"
Just like the LFR argument...
I personally dont agree with.
For the past 10 days i have been farming for 40g an hour. <-------------- this is part of the classic experience
Having to work to earn money IS part of the Classic experience.
Well...with the WoW Token it will no longer be. Its a tragedy IMO.
If you played like that. Great. But I disagree with most of what you said.
If you wanna sell 6 slot bags, and greens on AH.. no one would stop you. Not all players will buy or sell tokens so I'd imagine they'd still get bought. Also check out retail maybe, nothing has skyrocketed. In fact most items and mats are dirt cheap.
And why would everyone have engineering? Do you honestly think everyone will sell tokens for gold? I for one am interested in buying them for gold so I need professions to make that gold and I'd imagine most players would neither buy or sell them so it would change nothing.
And what you said about not being excited about blue or epic drops is just nonsense. Ooh my BiS belt dropped in BWL.. oh no, I can't be excited about it cause tokens exist? Somehow.. How does that even make sense to you? If you mean BoEs though then most of them aren't exciting in the first place and I've vendored some as they wouldn't sell even for 5 gold.
Why on earth would I do that? Find your own gold farms, that suit your playstyle. My healer buddie got a farm that nets him around 50-100g/hour. My warrior friend (he's dps not tank though), farm jumpruns with randoms and reserve Thorium Nodes at the end for him self, nets him nice gold. He also sells tanking services for dungeons.
Find your way to make gold, and it really isn't that hard to get. Doing what EVERYONE else does however, isn't very lucrative.
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"plenty"
Lionheart, Edgemaster, Cloudkeeper, Corehound belt, some random +X spell dmg greens.. T1 pieces aren't BiS anymore, so those are dropping in price as we speak. What else do you have?
You will most likely never get Hand of Ragnaros or Thunderfury by buying tokens, unless you find a guild willing to sell the legendary material, and luck out on actually having it drop.
And if you suffer farming gold, I'd suggest you stop doing it. Why do something that makes you suffer in a videogame?
for reals? first time I hear about it! gonna be great!
Anyone that thinks wow tokens would have any kind of negative impact on Classic's economy are delusional.
Do you have any idea how easy it already is to buy classic gold with either real life money or retail wow gold? If someone wants to buy gold now they already have many ways to do so. In fact I personally know a fair amount of people who have done so.
The only thing wow tokens would do, is legitimize these gold trading practises and prevent people from getting scammed trying to buy gold from other players or different sources. The tokens dont add more gold into the economy either, it just moves gold between players.
It will just lead to the rich players paying for their gametime by buying tokens and the players who have little gold get an easier legitimate way of obtaining the gold they would have bought regardless.
Those are only the BiS for level 60 AND for this phase.
Thunderfury and Rag weapon are extremely expensive to make.
You are supposed to suffer a little bit to get them.
Thats what makes them legendary. THE EXPERIENCE! The farm. The suffering...for the grand finale.
If you are trying to tell me the WoW Token doesnt "save time" and lets you "skip" the "farming" of the entire game...please be more specific why.
Because, for me, thats a crazy opinion to have.
WoW Token is literally created to save time.