[Megathread] The Division 2

[kenn9530]

It's £8.59 in the UK (about $12) so still not worth it as it will probably just languish on my UPlay list with a bunch of Assassin Creeds I'll never touch. I did find some sort of gold pack with Division 1+2 for free but trying to claim it broke the store.

the base game on uplay is £2.50 so together you could get the base game and expansion for less than £30, just getting a character to max level would give your moneys worth at the very least and the game will be even better a few more patches down the line.

[Aliven]

the base game on uplay is £2.50 so together you could get the base game and expansion for less than £30, just getting a character to max level would give your moneys worth at the very least and the game will be even better a few more patches down the line.

Dont preorder anything. Especially when we know for a fact that there will be even more fucked up monetization.

[dope_danny]

aaand just like every other live service game they announced with the expansion they are pushing the Seasons meme. AKA trying to bruteforce retention with shitty battlepass style time limited horseshit.

This trend cannot die fast enough. How can every one of these games try to make you dedicate time not for fun but to do a time limited grind like a second job before they realise when everyones doing it then its going to burn people out even faster.

[Aliven]

aaand just like every other live service game they announced with the expansion they are pushing the Seasons meme. AKA trying to bruteforce retention with shitty battlepass style time limited horseshit.

This trend cannot die fast enough. How can every one of these games try to make you dedicate time not for fun but to do a time limited grind like a second job before they realise when everyones doing it then its going to burn people out even faster.

Because it works. Because it is better to have short term gain and then create new game with the same system.

You see you are not human being for them, just wallet that need to be separated from your money. It is sad only because the core systems and gameplay of Division and other Ubisoft titles are legit, fun and deep (most of the time, unless fucked with bugs).

[Thelyron]

Dont preorder anything. Especially when we know for a fact that there will be even more fucked up monetization.

If i know i'm gonna play a game anyway, i will pre-order it a day or 2 before it launches, and there is absolutely no good reason not to do that.

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The 20% discount you can buy for 100 Uplay points on the Ubisoft Store can be used on Warlords of New York for $6 off, despite saying it can't be used on preorders.

FYI

Nice, thanks for letting us know.

[Skizzit]

If i know i'm gonna play a game anyway, i will pre-order it a day or 2 before it launches, and there is absolutely no good reason not to do that.

It shows companies that people are still foolish enough to pre-order games so they will continue with shitty business tactics like releasing half finished games but slapping some worthless digital trinkets on as pre-order "bonuses" figuring they can just update it later if too many people complain about the game being incomplete. That is the good reason not to pre-order.

Why anyone would pay full price up front for a product that's quality is still in question is beyond me. Pre-orders at least made some sense when games were physical media with limited copies and you could just plunk down $5 at Gamestop to save a copy. In the age of digital media, it makes zero sense.

[I Push Buttons]

It shows companies that people are still foolish enough to pre-order games so they will continue with shitty business tactics like releasing half finished games but slapping some worthless digital trinkets on as pre-order "bonuses" figuring they can just update it later if too many people complain about the game being incomplete. That is the good reason not to pre-order.

Why anyone would pay full price up front for a product that's quality is still in question is beyond me. Pre-orders at least made some sense when games were physical media with limited copies and you could just plunk down $5 at Gamestop to save a copy. In the age of digital media, it makes zero sense.

Except that's not even almost the case anymore. Its not 1999 where the only information you have on a game is some 144p video on some backwater gaming site or an article in a magazine.

We know basically everything about games before they release now. Hell almost every game that comes out these days has an open beta/trial/etc., where you can play the game yourself before it releases. Further still, most publishers full on partner with content creators and allow their entire games to be streamed days before they even come out.

If the quality of a game is still questionable for you on the eve of its launch in this day and age, its because you are willfully ignorant and/or intentionally avoiding any and all information about the game. Even the shittiest most broken games don't even hide that kind of shit... Just look at games like Fallout 76 and Anthem, which had betas in all their terrible glory. If you still bought those games and others like them in the wake of such terrible showings and were surprised by how shit of a product you got, you are an idiot.

And not only do you know everything about what you are getting, there are then the bonuses on top of that, which you will either miss out on or have to pay more for later if you don't take advantage of them prior to launch.

There's no reason not to preorder games you want now unless you are a retard.

[Skizzit]

Except that's not even almost the case anymore. Its not 1999 where the only information you have on a game is some 144p video on some backwater gaming site or an article in a magazine.

We know basically everything about games before they release now. Hell almost every game that comes out these days has an open beta/trial/etc., where you can play the game yourself before it releases. Further still, most publishers full on partner with content creators and allow their entire games to be streamed days before they even come out.

If the quality of a game is still questionable for you on the eve of its launch in this day and age, its because you are willfully ignorant and/or intentionally avoiding any and all information about the game. Even the shittiest most broken games don't even hide that kind of shit... Just look at games like Fallout 76 and Anthem, which had betas in all their terrible glory. If you still bought those games and others like them in the wake of such terrible showings and were surprised by how shit of a product you got, you are an idiot.

And not only do you know everything about what you are getting, there are then the bonuses on top of that, which you will either miss out on or have to pay more for later if you don't take advantage of them prior to launch.

There's no reason not to preorder games you want now unless you are a retard.

Except betas and preview weekends do not tell the full picture. Since nearly every game is online in some form these days you will never actually know how a game will play out until it is released into the wild. Server issues are still abound and most online games will frontload their content knowing full well people will only get to see the early parts in preview weekends. So many games like Anthem, Destiny, and even The Division 2 get worse and worse the deeper you get into them and have shit endgame. It is why we still see games like No Man's Sky.

Am I saying every game is like this? No, of course not. But the more people pre-order games, regardless of it then ends up being a mess or not, the more companies are going to see it as a totally valid option to have a great trailer, put out a well made vertical slice, pay off some streamers to give it high praise, and bank on foolish people pre-ordering a game. Then, a few weeks after launch they will say how hard they are working to improve things and put out the infamous "road map" to get people to keep hanging on and playing the game while they pump more and more micro transactions into it and maybe a year or so later the game will actually be in the state it should have been at launch.

If people want to pay up front for something to get some petty bonuses that mean very little, be my guest, but don't complain when what you end up with isn't what you were promised.

[KrayZ33]

The gameplay from the open beta of The Division was vastly different than what you got at endgame.
So was the balance and the PvP.

The earliest you should do your pre-purchase is one day before it's release.
Though by now it's a safer bet to wait 2 weeks after release for every single game.

[kenn9530]

Dont preorder anything. Especially when we know for a fact that there will be even more fucked up monetization.

30 for an expansion is nothing, WoW you pay double that and your doing the same content you have been doing the previous expansion and its the same with most games, the division you dont have to spend anything past the front up price, other games you have front up price and subsciption which increases the cost by up to 3 times.

[ro9ue]

Seems pretty good for $3. I wanted to buy it for a while anyway.I only finished the first 2 missions but I think I already got my moneys worth.

Hows the multiplayer? Are there dungeons/raids like in WoW?

[kenn9530]

Seems pretty good for $3. I wanted to buy it for a while anyway.I only finished the first 2 missions but I think I already got my moneys worth.

Hows the multiplayer? Are there dungeons/raids like in WoW?

there are plenty of 4 man missions to do which are dungeons, one 8 player raid and open world stuff for unlocking more points for specialisations and weapons upgrades, then you can get into PvP if you want, unlocking cosmetics and working on your builds.

[Aliven]

If i know i'm gonna play a game anyway, i will pre-order it a day or 2 before it launches, and there is absolutely no good reason not to do that.

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Nice, thanks for letting us know.

At the very least wait for reviews and make informed choice.

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30 for an expansion is nothing, WoW you pay double that and your doing the same content you have been doing the previous expansion and its the same with most games, the division you dont have to spend anything past the front up price, other games you have front up price and subsciption which increases the cost by up to 3 times.

There are literally 2 games with mandatory sub and those are WoW and FF14.

I would pay for that expansion. I love gameplay. Love enviromental storytelling they have. But i would not support anything with a battle pass ala fortnite. Not in a product i have to pay upfront.

[Mirishka]

Just throwing this out there for you guys: The Division 2 now has a hardcore mode. Welcome to real combat.

So its 'real combat' if your character dies to server lag, disconnects, freezing, getting stuck, etc.

Real combat... what a joke. You're sitting your ass pushing buttons either way, nothing 'real' about it.

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It shows companies that people are still foolish enough to pre-order games so they will continue with shitty business tactics like releasing half finished games but slapping some worthless digital trinkets on as pre-order "bonuses" figuring they can just update it later if too many people complain about the game being incomplete. That is the good reason not to pre-order.

Why anyone would pay full price up front for a product that's quality is still in question is beyond me. Pre-orders at least made some sense when games were physical media with limited copies and you could just plunk down $5 at Gamestop to save a copy. In the age of digital media, it makes zero sense.

Here's a better take: stop getting so angry about the way other people spend their money. It really isn't any of your business.

[Witchblade77]

At the very least wait for reviews and make informed choice.

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There are literally 2 games with mandatory sub and those are WoW and FF14.

I would pay for that expansion. I love gameplay. Love enviromental storytelling they have. But i would not support anything with a battle pass ala fortnite. Not in a product i have to pay upfront.

ok. I'm confused. what do you mean by battlepass in Division 2? because I feel like I missed something here. are they going to be charging extra for seasons? because my impression was that they are included with expansion.

[Skizzit]

Here's a better take: stop getting so angry about the way other people spend their money. It really isn't any of your business.

Who says I am angry? He said there is no good reason to not pre-order and I pointed out that there are very good reasons not to pre-order. If people want to continue to reward companies for taking advantage of people, they are free to do so. I just hope they are not the same people who then complain when the game they end up with is not what was promised before launch.

ok. I'm confused. what do you mean by battlepass in Division 2? because I feel like I missed something here. are they going to be charging extra for seasons? because my impression was that they are included with expansion.

Like many battlepasses, there will be a free version and a premium version. Gotta pay for the latter.

[Thelyron]

At the very least wait for reviews and make informed choice.

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There are literally 2 games with mandatory sub and those are WoW and FF14.

I would pay for that expansion. I love gameplay. Love enviromental storytelling they have. But i would not support anything with a battle pass ala fortnite. Not in a product i have to pay upfront.

My informed choice is that i like the base game, and the expansion will be more of the same. It's not like i'm blind-buying into a completely new franchise here. If an mmo/service game i like announces an expansion, i know exactly what i'm going to get the second they announce it: more of the same, which is exactly what i want. Just like i'm going to pre-order Doom Eternal a day before release, because it will be exactly like DOOM, just fancier. I know what i'm getting.

[Aliven]

My informed choice is that i like the base game, and the expansion will be more of the same. It's not like i'm blind-buying into a completely new franchise here. If an mmo/service game i like announces an expansion, i know exactly what i'm going to get the second they announce it: more of the same, which is exactly what i want. Just like i'm going to pre-order Doom Eternal a day before release, because it will be exactly like DOOM, just fancier. I know what i'm getting.

You dont. You have only hope.

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ok. I'm confused. what do you mean by battlepass in Division 2? because I feel like I missed something here. are they going to be charging extra for seasons? because my impression was that they are included with expansion.

There is a free version of season and a paid one (10$ after the first one) because fuck you and give us money mentality. Paid version has more rewards. Say hello to life service games.

[kenn9530]

At the very least wait for reviews and make informed choice.

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There are literally 2 games with mandatory sub and those are WoW and FF14.

I would pay for that expansion. I love gameplay. Love enviromental storytelling they have. But i would not support anything with a battle pass ala fortnite. Not in a product i have to pay upfront.

your saying its ok to pay 2-300 for one game but its not ok for a game to charge 30-50 for an expansion and never pay anything past that.

WoW is charging you a monthly fee for a season pass, other games dont charge anything more. Plus you dont even need the division 2 season pass you still get all the content, all you miss out on if you dont have the season pass is a few cosmetics and have to unlock specialations the long way but you still need to do them to get all the rewards anyway.

[Woogs]

ok. I'm confused. what do you mean by battlepass in Division 2? because I feel like I missed something here. are they going to be charging extra for seasons? because my impression was that they are included with expansion.

As others have said there is a premium track with apparel items. The first season's premium track will be free. The next three will cost $10 each to unlock.

A lot of info about the expansion can be found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision...ary_26th_2020/