What can the Horde do to make amends?

[Voidwielder]

Not even kidding, we should kill them all or get one of the spacegoat ships, pack them in and blast that fucker in to some void consumed planet.

We saved this world despite them killing it's Guardian. We protected this world from invaders. We were on the front lines while they hid in Kalimdor.
Azeroth is our territory and we should not share it with them. Jaina was right in SoO.

[Phantombeard]

Not even kidding, we should kill them all or get one of the spacegoat ships, pack them in and blast that fucker in to some void consumed planet.

We saved this world despite them killing it's Guardian. We protected this world from invaders. We were on the front lines while they hid in Kalimdor.
Azeroth is our territory and we should not share it with them. Jaina was right in SoO.

Amen!! Brother, AMEN!!!

[Ardenaso]

The Zandalari attacked the Pandaren, the Elves of Quel'Thalas and the humans they allied with, then attacked their Gurubashi brethren, enslaved the Goblins.

to be fair those were Zul's loyalists who were going against Rastakhan

[Powerogue]

Passively assisting in hunting Sylvanas while staying the hell away from Tyrande seems their best bet for the moment. After that, they got druids and shamans, how about they help finally de-Cataclysm and de-plague Darkshore? That place is a mess. Leave that whole cleanup to the Horde. It'll keep them busy, Baine as a tauren can lead it so he can do something, sounds good to me.

The Alliance are already doing enough just by letting Derek and Calia mingle with the forsaken where they seem to have the intention of helping them rebuild hope in the wake of everything.

[Skulltaker]

The zandalari haven’t actually done any thing to the alliance, zul broke off and was a dick for a bit but even the panda’s were able to figure out that he wasn’t working with the king so if the alliance couldn’t that would be quite sad.

This entire 'Zul was working on his own' angle to the story came with BfA. The Zandalari in MoP had Prelates, who in turn are followers of the Loa of Kings. My Ass Rasthakhan didn't know what Zul was up to at least to some extend.

And even if, no effort was made to explain that this newest threat to the freedom of all other races was just some nutjob being a grey-green supremacist, who got to keep his position at the Kings side.

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to be fair those were Zul's loyalists who were going against Rastakhan

The Prelates, Devoted of Rezan, the Loa of Kings, were there without the King knowing what they were up to. Right.

This is why retcons suck for everyone. At least own your past mistakes. At best Rastakhan learned what Zul did afterwards in Pandaria, and didn't punish him. He got to keep his position and whatnot. Cannot blame anyone onthe outside looking at that and thinking Rasthakhan did it, especially considering the Zandalari history of basically attacking everyone in sight unless it suits them to work with them.

[Ardenaso]

Passively assisting in hunting Sylvanas while staying the hell away from Tyrande seems their best bet for the moment. After that, they got druids and shamans, how about they help finally de-Cataclysm and de-plague Darkshore? That place is a mess. Leave that whole cleanup to the Horde. It'll keep them busy, Baine as a tauren can lead it so he can do something, sounds good to me.

probably the most sensible answer. Also execute every single Royal Apothecary member, no "just following orders" excuse this time.

then hold a Nuremberg for all the immediate aggressors: Liadrin, Belmont, Eyegouge, Rogers, Umbric, some Void Elves, some Dark Irons, many Forsaken

[matrix123mko]

One day, ogrimmar shall burn with righteous fire.

When the last rotting corpse stops moving, when the last greenskin takes its final breath, we shall have peace, and not a moment before.

Wait 5 seconds until Tyrande starts a war over lumber mills.

[Toho]

Passively assisting in hunting Sylvanas while staying the hell away from Tyrande seems their best bet for the moment. After that, they got druids and shamans, how about they help finally de-Cataclysm and de-plague Darkshore? That place is a mess. Leave that whole cleanup to the Horde. It'll keep them busy, Baine as a tauren can lead it so he can do something, sounds good to me.

The Alliance are already doing enough just by letting Derek and Calia mingle with the forsaken where they seem to have the intention of helping them rebuild hope in the wake of everything.

Considering Tyrande did not sign the armistice I imagine any shaman or Horde that sets foot on NE land is going to get killed.
Druids too unless they are being escorted by NE druids.

Ps. The Horde shamans played a key role in making sure the fire spread and burned as hot as it did.
I imagine hunting down shamans is first on Tyrande's list.

[Voidwielder]

Forsaken hate the living and life itself. Killing some who are in to know-how on the making of WMD is not enough. That entire race has rotten morality and ethics, incompatible with the living.

Alliance owns this planet. You just happen to live here. How many times are we going to have to remind that to the Horde?

[mysticx]

The zandalari haven’t actually done any thing to the alliance, zul broke off and was a dick for a bit but even the panda’s were able to figure out that he wasn’t working with the king so if the alliance couldn’t that would be quite sad.

"The Alliance can't figure out the obvious" is the only plot thread we have (Other than "Stop whatever the Horde is doing to us this time"), so cut us some slack...

[Ardenaso]

This entire 'Zul was working on his own' angle to the story came with BfA. The Zandalari in MoP had Prelates, who in turn are followers of the Loa of Kings. My Ass Rasthakhan didn't know what Zul was up to at least to some extend.

And even if, no effort was made to explain that this newest threat to the freedom of all other races was just some nutjob being a grey-green supremacist, who got to keep his position at the Kings side.

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The Prelates, Devoted of Rezan, the Loa of Kings, were there without the King knowing what they were up to. Right.

This is why retcons suck for everyone. At least own your past mistakes. At best Rastakhan learned what Zul did afterwards in Pandaria, and didn't punish him. He got to keep his position and whatnot. Cannot blame anyone onthe outside looking at that and thinking Rasthakhan did it, especially considering the Zandalari history of basically attacking everyone in sight unless it suits them to work with them.

i thought Zul exiled out of Zandalari?

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Forsaken hate the living and life itself. Killing some who are in to know-how on the making of WMD is not enough. That entire race has rotten morality and ethics, incompatible with the living.

Alliance owns this planet. You just happen to live here. How many times are we going to have to remind that to the Horde?

uhmm.... Trolls predate Humans and Thalassians

[Voidwielder]

uhmm.... Trolls predate Humans and Thalassians

Don't care.

We are the more numerous, powerful and righteous.

[Razion]

If the Horde want to actually make amends they can help rebuild the Alliance's broken lands. The Night Elves probably won't want the Orcs anywhere near Hyjal helping them set up a new home, but there are a LOT of underdeveloped Alliance areas that could use restructuring that the Horde could help with if they actually wanted to maintain peace. Actually helping build up Alliance lands in a real, massive scale across the entire world would help demonstrate the the Horde is actually serious about ending the war for once. All those resources that used to go for war on both sides could instead go to efforts that can help everyone survive comfortably on Azeroth.

But in realistic game terms what we'll probably see is a lot of Horde death until it's far too much and then the Alliance are the bad guys again. Because that's just how things work in this series.

[Skulltaker]

i thought Zul exiled out of Zandalari?

I don't recall if he went voluntarily or was exiled, but he had support of the Prelates, who in turn serve the Loa of Kings. I think the entire 'exile' story was implemented in BfA to make Rastakhan look better, because until then, the Horde had almost as much reason to hate and fight the Zandalari as the Alliance did. The Zandalari in general have been very very unpleasant folks to be around, more so than any other individual civilization.

[Zuben]

I was in the role of a Loyalist with the belief this time the Horde had gone too far and it was in our best interests to see the war to the end. Since it (unsurprisingly, tbh) ended back to the good ol' status quo I believe the Horde won't have to do anything to make amends. Baine's regime may feel honorbound to give the Alliance something, but I feel it's adequate in Anduin's eyes if they just share intel and otherwise help in the hunt for Sylvanas.

[Martymark]

In BFA ActiBlizz made the horde 100% evil with no motivation other than being villains of the Alliance story.
And they made the Alliance stupidly perfectly good with not a single flaw.

Put the Horde out of their misery before the devs force them to "find themselves" again in 2 expansions.

[Dellis0991]

Amends don't do jack. The hate is still there, the pain of loss is still there and all it takes is one incident for a another war to break out.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

This entire 'Zul was working on his own' angle to the story came with BfA. The Zandalari in MoP had Prelates, who in turn are followers of the Loa of Kings. My Ass Rasthakhan didn't know what Zul was up to at least to some extend.

And even if, no effort was made to explain that this newest threat to the freedom of all other races was just some nutjob being a grey-green supremacist, who got to keep his position at the Kings side.

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The Prelates, Devoted of Rezan, the Loa of Kings, were there without the King knowing what they were up to. Right.

This is why retcons suck for everyone. At least own your past mistakes. At best Rastakhan learned what Zul did afterwards in Pandaria, and didn't punish him. He got to keep his position and whatnot. Cannot blame anyone onthe outside looking at that and thinking Rasthakhan did it, especially considering the Zandalari history of basically attacking everyone in sight unless it suits them to work with them.

It was in mop that we learned zul was acting on his own not bfa. The king gave him ships told him to take who ever wanted to go and bugger off, this was all in mop.

Past that ya he let zul come back as zul didn’t actually do any thing that mattered to the zandalari as you said they weren't talking to the alliance so why would they care if zul was menacing them a bit with the zg trolls?

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"The Alliance can't figure out the obvious" is the only plot thread we have (Other than "Stop whatever the Horde is doing to us this time"), so cut us some slack...

That’s a fairy good point, the alliance didn’t even know that the zul was working up the ZG trolls until a dark spear told them so I wouldn’t be surprised if they missed the disconnect between zul and the empire.

[Trassk]

By lore, excluding the player character, all those who were associated with the attack on teldrissel are now dead or no longer part of the horde. Malfurion and tyrandes forces have killed off the hordes forces in darkshore. Saurfang died freeing the horde from sylvanas, and sylvanas and nathanos are no longer part of it.

You want to hold the entire horde responsible for what happened? Okay, let's pull the internment camps card, or camp turajo card, shouldn't horde hold all the alliance accountable for those? Wait, they shouldn't you say? :O Wow who knew holding an entire faction responsible for the actions of a few would be considered questionable?!

I mean we still hold Germany and Japan responsible for world war 2 right?

[Toho]

By lore, excluding the player character, all those who were associated with the attack on teldrissel are now dead or no longer part of the horde. Malfurion and tyrandes forces have killed off the horses forces in darkshore. Saurfang died freeing the horde from sylvanas, and sylvanas and nathanos are no longer part of it.

You want to hold the entire horde responsible for what happened? Okay, let's pull the internment camps card, or camp turajo card, shouldn't horde hold all the alliance accountable for those? Wait, they shouldn't you say? :O Wow who knew holding an entire faction responsible for the actions of a few would be considered questionable?!

I mean we still hold Germany and Japan responsible for world war 2 right?

Yeah... thats what war reparations are for.
As for the internment camps, ask the Lordaeron citizens who are now Forsaken.