right, but they didn't knew what it was and what would cause in the long run, just that was some kind of buff
so, they being dumb and being tricked doesn't matter, they are still evul and blablabla
they didn't knew what it was, fully, just that it was some kind of demon shenanigan, cause it was not demon blood, it was a water fountain.
Even prior that Manoroth influence was already starting to hold grip on on the orcs, And even grom became surprise when he show up, and later he is fully controlled by him.
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except you did, and was very clean, you tried to paint all race as rapist murderers and therefore, all orcs should pay for it, you even try to said it is genetics or some shit like that
this doesn't ven make sense, but sure, if you say so
you are making that up again, never said it was "a foreign concept"
there is no "canon that implies", canon confirms, if did not confirm then there is no canon.
what, hold on, you are saying me that "since there is no confirmation that just a couple of orcs raped it means there is tons and tons of orcs who raped"
what an awesome leap of logic, yet, there is just one single individual who came from said rapes, if it was so much like you implies it should be lots of then out there, again, you are exaggerating and extrapolating trying to paint orcs as rapist monsters, appealing to emotion, and yet, only the bladewind clan did that, and even in there, just some of then did aftr taking some draeneis as slaves, there is rotting aples everywhere.
they had all the chance to create another path of glory, but they didn't. they could have genocide countless of other races bu they didn't, you are trying to say they are the same of demonlust orcs because "orcs"
except the part you literally ignored that said despite Velen tolding then what it was, they still sided with the Legion regardless?:
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no one is lessening" their responsability, you are ignoring that they were tricked, and want to accuse then without taking that in account.
stating the obvious, that they were indeed tricked, don't take the "responsibility away", just don't make then rapist muderers with lust for blood like you want to imply
except no, no one think like that, th thing is orcs already paid for their crimes, demand compensation for shit that happened 30 years ago when they were mindcontroled is asinine
and you think the draeneis and the alliance would nto being streamrolled if it was not by the orcs who made then strong?
using iron horde tech isn't "destroying the planet"
and you do have proof they were mindcontroled as well? the draenei? we only have proof of then mindcontroling other orcs
it is a obnoxious argument yes
thats the Affirming the Consequent fallacy, youa re on purpose trying to make this afirmation believable.
if that was true, literally all horde races are blood hungry and willing to follow evil people, and again, just obnoxious
their world was destroyed, the horde save then, what you think they should do? not stay in the only place they could go? you suggest they should pledge themselves to Anduin? isn't like the MAghar knew Sylvanus fame or what she have done in tldrassil, so rly, stop
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now you want to talka bout numbers, before it seems to not matter at all hum?
despite Velen words Kil'jaden and Archimond joined Sargeras, and did not get their free will's robbed, and even the draeneis in wod joined the Legion as well, despite of what they have done to their people
you want to teach me, orc lore now, thats cute, but yeah, orcs lived in peace, they only fought the races who try to attack and ensalve then, outside the ogre incident there was no other war, except when the legion show up. they didn't even fought themselves.
oh yes, "will bind to kil'jaden", sure made then do wherever they want, thats why countless of orcs perished once they were free from the control and their minds were once again then their own to revive what they did. Varok help save some of the veterans but even that they are still haunted by the memories.
Varok was the living proof of they do not had free will and were corrupted and inflicted with demon lust.
except no same thing was done, different scenarios.