9.0 General Discussion

[Aeluron Lightsong]

So they bought themselves 2-3 weeks? Not sure if that is enough to fix all the questing bugs, they certainly didn't seem to have gotten on top of many of the WQ bugs this week

Build every week until Launch I suppose.

[Sondrelk]

That's quite possible, but it's also quite possible that's not the release date, and that this is just a way to get people to spend a bit of money while they're waiting.

Yeah, definitely seems like digging too deep into it. I am much more inclined to assume December 1st/2nd because of the book being delayed.

[razorpax]

Yeah, definitely seems like digging too deep into it. I am much more inclined to assume December 1st/2nd because of the book being delayed.

I agree with the date because it fits perfectly for the season starting in January

[TheFirstOnes]

"The First Ones who shaped the cosmos knew they needed to protect the Shadowlands from external threats and beyond. Maldraxxus was their answer." The First Ones shaped the entire Warcraft Cosmos, and made Maldraxxus as a way to protect it all from different Cosmic threats within each cosmology.

Seems the First Ones are now confirmed to reign beyond the Cosmic chart now, which is cool.

[Makabreska]

"The First Ones who shaped the cosmos knew they needed to protect the Shadowlands from external threats and beyond. Maldraxxus was their answer." The First Ones shaped the entire Warcraft Cosmos, and made Maldraxxus as a way to protect it all from different Cosmic threats within each cosmology.

Seems the First Ones are now confirmed to reign beyond the Cosmic chart now, which is cool.

Well, we dealt with Old Gods, Titans, biggest demons there is. We will tackle now beings that predate them. Kinda makes sense to escalate cosmic power lvl, but you can invent even stronger supernatural beings only so long.

[TheFirstOnes]

Well, we dealt with Old Gods, Titans, biggest demons there is. We will tackle now beings that predate them. Kinda makes sense to escalate cosmic power lvl, but you can invent even stronger supernatural beings only so long.

Yeah. Also seems as though the Jailer's the biggest threat ever, right below possibly the Void Lords (Which are the next villains after the Jailer, obviously). Which would make sense, as the Void Lords are basically WoW's Outer Gods.

[Nyel]

And there we have the release date.

17th/18th.

No way they’ll release Shadowlands in the busiest and most crowded week of video gaming in 2020.

[Sondrelk]

"The First Ones who shaped the cosmos knew they needed to protect the Shadowlands from external threats and beyond. Maldraxxus was their answer." The First Ones shaped the entire Warcraft Cosmos, and made Maldraxxus as a way to protect it all from different Cosmic threats within each cosmology.

Seems the First Ones are now confirmed to reign beyond the Cosmic chart now, which is cool.

My guess is that the Light and Void are still above them. If we go by Chronicles (which is on shaky ground, I admit) then the Warcraft universe was created by primordial forces of Light and Void. It should be possible that the First Ones were created from that, if I were to guess I would say they would be directly related to Life and Death.

Now I don't have any good proof for this, but I feel it would fit better to have the Light and Void still being on top of the hierarchy, which would then leave the First ones to oversee the rest of the aspects of the cosmos.

[Nyel]

Yeah. Also seems as though the Jailer's the biggest threat ever, right below possibly the Void Lords (Which are the next villains after the Jailer, obviously). Which would make sense, as the Void Lords are basically WoW's Outer Gods.

This just is so out of nowhere and feels absolutely out of place. You cannot just come up with a completely new character that’s all of a sudden above Sargeras and just below Void Lords. This doesn’t make any sense because players don’t have any connection to him. That’s not how storytelling works.

[Blayze]

Who the fuck are the First Ones?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Who the fuck are the First Ones?

Beings that seem to be referenced more then once, one of their artifacts we use to escape the Maw(The player techically).

[Nagawithlegs]

Final page of the WoW Shadowlands artbook after the credits has the following image hidden.

https://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/wp-...ssed-11zon.jpg

Nathreza? Jailer's house?

[Makabreska]

Final page of the WoW Shadowlands artbook after the credits has the following image hidden.

https://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/wp-...ssed-11zon.jpg

Nathreza?

Castle Nathria?

[Valysar]

Final page of the WoW Shadowlands artbook after the credits has the following image hidden.

https://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/wp-...ssed-11zon.jpg

Nathreza? Jailer's house?

Torghast / Maw ?

[Sondrelk]

Torghast / Maw ?

My guess would be an early ieda on what the Torghast should look like before they decided on making it float off in the distance.


What I am curious about though is whether there is artwork for armor. Sometimes you might get some insight into future possible armor sets. (And sometimes you are massively disappointed when an amazing hunter set never ended up being used)

[TheFirstOnes]

My guess is that the Light and Void are still above them. If we go by Chronicles (which is on shaky ground, I admit) then the Warcraft universe was created by primordial forces of Light and Void. It should be possible that the First Ones were created from that, if I were to guess I would say they would be directly related to Life and Death.

Now I don't have any good proof for this, but I feel it would fit better to have the Light and Void still being on top of the hierarchy, which would then leave the First ones to oversee the rest of the aspects of the cosmos.

Idk, I feel as though adding a force above the Cosmic Chart is nice, and is something Blizzard could definitely do. My assumption is that they made the Light/Shadow, which clashed and shaped the Cosmos we see today. Afterwards, the Titans were made (alone with their realm) so they could provide order to Reality, The Light and Shadow have their leaders, Life and Death were given balance mechanics (as well as their own realms), etc.

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This just is so out of nowhere and feels absolutely out of place. You cannot just come up with a completely new character that’s all of a sudden above Sargeras and just below Void Lords. This doesn’t make any sense because players don’t have any connection to him. That’s not how storytelling works.

Well, I'm only assuming that he's below the Void Lords (As they're obviously after the Jailer). But, atm, he's the top dog within the Cosmic Chart. Also, that is definitely how storytelling works. Dragon Ball, Marvel, and DC have done this forever.

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Final page of the WoW Shadowlands artbook after the credits has the following image hidden.

https://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/wp-...ssed-11zon.jpg

Nathreza? Jailer's house?

The Jailer's house is Torghast, and why would they showcase Nathreza in a book about the Shadowlands? It's probably just a concept piece of Sinfall, or something like that.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Nope no new characters above Sargeras and void lords cause our master said so. /sarcasm is now off

Anyways..... the First Ones just seem like another world building aspect Blizzard is doing.

[Ersula]

Who the fuck are the First Ones?

I was thinking the first ones would be the first dead: Natal Titan souls who were corrupted & died before they could be born. Like the void worlds we see in the Star Auger fight.

And people say "Titans don't die" but clearly they can, as that's the entire conceit of BFA & the planet getting stabbed

[Sondrelk]

I was thinking the first ones would be the first dead: Natal Titan souls who were corrupted & died before they could be born. Like the void worlds we see in the Star Auger fight.

And people say "Titans don't die" but clearly they can, as that's the entire conceit of BFA & the planet getting stabbed

The Titan souls don't die when they get corrupted though, the idea with the Void lords sending the Old Gods into the cosmos was to corrupt them, not kill them.

[TheFirstOnes]

Nope no new characters above Sargeras and void lords cause our master said so. /sarcasm is now off

Anyways..... the First Ones just seem like another world building aspect Blizzard is doing.

"NOOOO!!! SARGERAS AND THE VOID LORDS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE BIG BADS! WHO IS THIS JAILER GUY?!"

haha the veil between life and death go boom boom