Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Breccia]

Adding to @Benggaul 's numbers, the US hit another record, the highest 7-day average we've ever had.

Oh, and the positivity rate is also going up, so while Trump might be yelling

Cases up because we TEST, TEST, TEST. A Fake News Media Conspiracy. Many young people who heal very fast. 99.9%. Corrupt Media conspiracy at all time high. On November 4th., topic will totally change. VOTE!

he cannot change the objective truth that more people are actually getting sick. And, of course, that next step...more people going to the hospital.

Which will be followed by more people dying.

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Part of the problem being in a cult? Only the cult leader gets to set the rules.

Meadows tries to What I Meant Was and it fals as flat as Trump champagne.

We're going to defeat the virus; we're not going to control it. We will try to contain it as best we can, but ... we need to make sure that we have therapeutics and vaccines.

I'm sure he totally meant to say that the first time. Incidentally, how do you defeat a virus you can't control?

You know who isn't buying it?

"America?"

Yes, but also Biden.

This wasn’t a slip by Meadows, it was a candid acknowledgment of what President Trump’s strategy has clearly been from the beginning of this crisis: to wave the white flag of defeat and hope that by ignoring it, the virus would simply go away. It hasn’t, and it won’t.

We hit three new records, max cases twice leading to seven-day average once, in the last week. Anyone claiming we've rounded the corner and it will just go away is a liar. Meadows at least said we need vaccines, but we don't have those now, so we need to act appropriately now.

So you know what? Fuck it. Let's go for three.

@DocSavageFan
@lockedout
@GreenJesus
@Thwart
@Ghostpanther
@Zeth Hawkins
@Hammerfest
@the game
@Derpleton
@Healing Rain

Find recent evidence that we're turning the corner. Find recent evidence that the increase in positivity rates and hospitalization is a result of TEST TEST TEST. Find recent evidence that the increase in deaths is a Fake News hoax. Find something in the last week that backs up your candidate.

Something.

Anything.

What the hell are you waiting for?

[Inuyaki]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...90788628598784

We have made tremendous progress with the China Virus, but the Fake News refuses to talk about it this close to the Election. COVID, COVID, COVID is being used by them, in total coordination, in order to change our great early election numbers.Should be an election law violation!

[rayvio]

the only things rising higher than the infection rate is the amount of evidence against Trump and (unfortunately) the amount of evidence in support of his being mentally incompetent to stand trial

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...90788628598784

Somewhat NSFW audio, but Trump is essentially Jim Carry when it comes to media talking about an ongoing fucking pandemic that's killed almost a quart of a million Americans. Reminding people that covid is still around, there is no plan for it, and 1,000+ people are dying every day is devastating to his re-election campaign.

[PhaelixWW]

Adding to @Benggaul 's numbers, the US hit another record, the highest 7-day average we've ever had.

Well, sorta? Depends on to whom you listen. The numbers in your link are from the Covid Tracking Project. @Benggaul's been using worldometers, and according to them, the current 7-day average rate of 68,984 is just shy of the 69k+ numbers we saw between 7/19-25 (excluding 7/23). The high mark, according to worldometers, was 7/25 at 69,966. We will pass that mark today if we hit 65k new cases.

[Adam Jensen]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...90788628598784

An "election law violation" to point out negative facts about a political candidate.

What is "how to turn a democracy into a dictatorship for 1000 Alex?"

[Inuyaki]

Somewhat NSFW audio, but Trump is essentially Jim Carry when it comes to media talking about an ongoing fucking pandemic that's killed almost a quart of a million Americans. Reminding people that covid is still around, there is no plan for it, and 1,000+ people are dying every day is devastating to his re-election campaign.

Except that Jim Carrey couldn't lie in that movie and Trump can't tell the truth.
But otherwise, ya

[PhaelixWW]

Except that Jim Carrey couldn't lie in that movie and Trump can't tell the truth.
But otherwise, ya

The sad thing is that I wouldn't even put money on Trump necessarily knowing that the things he's saying aren't the truth.

[s_bushido]

What political advantage is there to ignoring the science? Apart from enabling conspiracy theorists.

Something like 40% of the US population believes that the universe (and/or mankind) was created less than 10,000 years ago. Those "conspiracy theorists" are the GOP's voting base, and they've been raised from birth to ignore science in favor of authority figures who promise to make them feel better at some point in the future if they just believe hard enough...

[DingDongKing]

Something like 40% of the US population believes that the universe (and/or mankind) was created less than 10,000 years ago. Those "conspiracy theorists" are the GOP's voting base, and they've been raised from birth to ignore science in favor of authority figures who promise to make them feel better at some point in the future if they just believe hard enough...

Dear Lord, such people are just not worth it.

[Kaleredar]

An "election law violation" to point out negative facts about a political candidate.

What is "how to turn a democracy into a dictatorship for 1000 Alex?"

It’s also rich coming from a guy that benefited so pointedly from Comey weighing in on the sham charges levied against Clinton right before the 2016 election

[PhaelixWW]

Yeah, worldometers isn’t accurate.

You'll pardon if I'm not won over or impressed by your unsourced claim.

If you have a case to make, then feel free to make it.

[Forogil]

Yeah, worldometers isn’t accurate.

Not necessarily a matter of accuracy as using different definitions as explained in https://covidtracking.com/about-data...e-for-my-state

Delays in reporting tests will lower the peaks for covidtracking but not for worldometer; and on the other hand worldometer will later report that US today had a higher 7-day average than reported today (and possibly higher than the previous peak).

[Benggaul]

Yeah, worldometers isn’t accurate.

It is. It just collates data from the county level where available whereas Johns Hopkins, for example, reports it from the state level. State and county level often differ; Texas in particular has had ongoing problems resolving conflicts between the two. They also have to do some guesswork as to where to distribute updated/corrected data pretty much like any other aggregator--when a backlog of data comes through all at once it's pretty much up to each individual site to decide whether to distribute it historically (and if that's the case, how to decide what number to assign to each day) or dump it all as a lump sum update. There's also differing "cutoff times" for what gets reported one day or the following.

There are a few reasons I use them over Johns Hopkins (constant updates, good sources, variety of sources) and even Johns Hopkins uses it, but Johns Hopkins has become the "go-to" site for the US and there's really nothing wrong with that either. The numbers just won't be exactly the same for both--but they're pretty much always in the same ballpark.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/worldometer/

Overall, we rate Worldometer Least Biased based on strictly providing data and statistics. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to the use of official sources and clearly disclaiming that the information provided are estimates.

[DingDongKing]

Dear God, this actually makes Trump palatable. When he sounds like an actual standup comedian and not a President.

[Breccia]

"Should be an election law violation!"

To be fair, at least he said "should". Now he's wrong and a fucking moron, but at least this wasn't a third concurrent 24-hour challenge.

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Yeah, worldometers isn’t accurate.

Find literally any source of numbers.

They'll all say the same thing. The margin of error won't change the results by a meaningful amount.

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The high mark, according to worldometers, was 7/25 at 69,966. We will pass that mark today if we hit 65k new cases.

The fact that we're looking at even an effective tie should be concerning. Your graph does show a third incline, and a steep one.

It does not show "rounding the curve". Trump lied.

[Lenonis]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...90788628598784

And yet his followers mock us when he talk about fascism. How on earth is that anything other than 100% fascism?

[Eviscero]

Dear God, this actually makes Trump palatable. When he sounds like an actual standup comedian and not a President.

1) He sounds drunk.

2) This is definitely what he wishes he could do.

[PhaelixWW]

The fact that we're looking at even an effective tie should be concerning. Your graph does show a third incline, and a steep one.

It does not show "rounding the curve". Trump lied.

Well, I mean, that's the thing about math: it's objective.

So, we've been doing more testing lately, as Trump likes to mention. In general, increased testing will have a somewhat depressing effect on the positivity rate, as we more freely test people "just to check", so to speak. So when the testing numbers go down and the positivity also goes down, then you know the virus is definitely in the decline. Conversely, if the testing numbers go up and the positivity is also increasing, then shit's getting worse. Only when testing is going up but positivity is going down is it potentially inconclusive.

It should be obvious to everyone which one of those scenarios is playing out right now, but if not...




So yeah, Trump is full of shit. Whodathunkit.

[Breccia]

And yet his followers mock us when he talk about fascism. How on earth is that anything other than 100% fascism?

Ugh, you're going to make me do it, aren't you? Fine.

@DocSavageFan
@lockedout
@GreenJesus
@Thwart
@Ghostpanther
@Zeth Hawkins
@Hammerfest
@the game
@Derpleton
@Healing Rain

You have 24 hours to pick one of these choices.

1) Trump is right, and Trump must also decry the NYPost endorsemeht he just got, for exactly the same reason.
2) Trump is wrong, and the news should still report on facts of importance, even if it's near the election, but Trump can keep the NYPost endorsement.

Do neither, and you're a fucking dickless coward.
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