Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[starlord]

Trump Bath Water. 2k a bottle.

the praying karens would use it as holy water.

[kaelleria]

why haven't they called the election for biden yet?

2016 ptsd.

[xmirrors]

Why haven't they called the election for Biden yet?

PA is in recount territory and does automatic recounts iirc. So I don't think many networks want to bite on it quite yet. Soooo we're back to the same issue of waiting on NV/AZ.

[Kiri]

I'm not talking about votes. Look at how narrow the counts are everywhere except maybe die hard Democrat territories like cities.

I mean, it's a pretty poor result if you are running against someone like Trump, and are not able to convince a large portion of the people about how shitty he is. I saw parts of the Obama speach in Georgia a few days ago. He just stood there, smug, praising Biden, condemning Trump. I don't thinks that's how you flip someone away from Trump.

Imagine you were a salesman for BMW and were to flip a die hard Audi fan and all you were saying would be: well AUDI is shit, and everyone who buys it is stupid. Wanna buy a BMW?

I will never really understand this rationale.
If someone looks at Trump, his rhetoric, his results and his positions and says "yes, I want to be governed by this man", then that is on them. It is not somehow the fault of the other candidate for failing to convince that person. Anyone who can look at Trump, as a whole, and still steadfastly holds to him will do so no matter what.

Because, well, that is what defines a die hard fan, as you noted.
That Audi fan will buy the Audi. Nothing more. If someone is a die hard fan of something, they are not going to be swayed from that position - especially not by something fundamentally different. That's where the comparison falls flat anyway, since BMW and Audi are fairly similar. If it had to be cars, it's better to compare, say, a big, masculine jeep to an economical e-car. If someone is looking for a jeep, you will just never convince him to buy an e-car. You might convince him to buy a different kind/brand of jeep, maybe. But not an e-car. The only way you can convince him to buy your product is by changing your production from e-cars to jeeps. I.e. for Biden to become more like Trump, to act just like the latter does.

Could Dems afford to lose some haughtiness and stuff? Certainly. But what exactly could Obama have said, standing on the podium, to convince a true Trump fan of voting for Biden instead? Or even just a person who votes R on principle, who identifies more with that party's position and policy?
Just about nothing. Because those die hard fans are not swayed by words, by messaging alone. The only way to capture their votes is to become more like that which they were already voting for. But that, in turn, risks alienating the voters you already have. Every step towards becoming Republicans will only widen the already existing gap in the Democratic Party.

The problem is with how divided the American people are, less with how the campaigns are run. And fixing that will require both parties to make an effort. If only one does so, it ends up being little more than appeasement.

[Gaidax]

Why haven't they called the election for Biden yet?

I imagine because they don't want to deal with FOX News AZ call noise. Likely later today they will bait, things seem to be pretty obvious at the moment.

[For_The_Horde]

Here's how the counties voted in the 2016 election

Its a matter of perspective, like if we looked at it with population density applied.

[beanman12345]

Why haven't they called the election for Biden yet?

Two reasons.
1.)They gotta keep the ad click and ratings for these news stations up.
2.) "count every vote!!!!" that said when Biden get's 30k-40kish votes they'll call it.

[Dead Moose Fandango]

Ha ha... nope.

With numbers he brought in this election, despite just about everything? Nope. If he'd be totally demolished - he'd be abandoned, but at these margins, with this support? Republicans will be shaking in their booties at even prospect of him turning on them, he got them in his hand and they will make sure to be very careful with him.

His influence in the coming years will be immense and he will be a big part of 2024 even if he does not decide to run himself - he will be like Bernie of Republican Party - a guy who won't be a president, but having influence that matters.

One, Trump won't help anyone but himself. So no, won't work. Two, Trump has to survive all the legal troubles coming to him after he's out as president brought at him by NY state.

[solinari6]

So what are the bets on Trump pardoning himself vs trying to get Pence to do it?

[beanman12345]

So what are the bets on Trump pardoning himself vs trying to get Pence to do it?

Trump is a sick man. TBH I really think he believes he has done nothing wrong. Has commited no crimes. So I honestly don't think it's high.

[Gaidax]

One, Trump won't help anyone but himself. So no, won't work. Two, Trump has to survive all the legal troubles coming to him after he's out as president brought at him by NY state.

He will survive all these legal challenges, he will have all the $$ and lawyers in the world to take care of this.

He will push through his family to the higher positions in Republican party too, that's a given too. His fans and Republican Party will give them a hand, the fans because fans and party because he can demolish them if he'd compromise these fans.

[Hadriker]

PA is in recount territory and does automatic recounts iirc. So I don't think many networks want to bite on it quite yet. Soooo we're back to the same issue of waiting on NV/AZ.

Yeah i think once Biden is comfortably out of auto recount territory (I think its 0.5 percent) we may finally see it called. which is around a 25k lead.

[Edge-]

He will survive all these legal challenges, he will have all the $$ and lawyers in the world to take care of this.

He will push through his family to the higher positions in Republican party too, that's a given too. His fans and Republican Party will give them a hand, the fans because fans and party because he can demolish them if he'd compromise these fans.

I doubt he has the money to do so, but I'd be willing to be the GOP will have a vested interest in trying to keep him away from the courts and outta jail as he could probably sing like a bird for reduced prison time.

[Themius]

I will never really understand this rationale.
If someone looks at Trump, his rhetoric, his results and his positions and says "yes, I want to be governed by this man", then that is on them. It is not somehow the fault of the other candidate for failing to convince that person. Anyone who can look at Trump, as a whole, and still steadfastly holds to him will do so no matter what.

Could Dems afford to lose some haughtiness and stuff? Certainly. But what exactly could Obama have said, standing on the podium, to convince a true Trump fan of voting for Biden instead? Or even just a person who votes R on principle, who identifies more with that party's position and policy?
Just about nothing. Because those die hard fans are not swayed by words, by messaging alone. The only way to capture their votes is to become more like that which they were already voting for. But that, in turn, risks alienating the voters you already have. Every step towards becoming Republicans will only widen the already existing gap in the Democratic Party.

The problem is with how divided the American people are, less with how the campaigns are run. And fixing that will require both parties to make an effort. If only one does so, it ends up being little more than appeasement.

What exactly leads you to say democrats are haughty and what do you mean it requires both parties working together?

"working together" will neve happen. We know republicans don't give a shit about "working together" over 230k people are dead and they do not give 1 single fuck about "working together" in fact Mitch and all his backers have planned to hold up everything so Biden's approval goes down as people suffering, die, and become homeless due to their inaction. So this myth of "democratic haughtiness and working together"... is just that.

[Breccia]

Why haven't they called the election for Biden yet?

Nobody wants to be the one that gets this wrong.

[alexw]

It depends. Does Trump keep a stranglehold over the base? if so Trump Jr might run, which trump will be out in full force with. But financial and legal woes and everything else coming to the trump family, i think it's a safe bet that over the next series of months maybe a year or a little more than a year, people will start to forget trump. a years of new cycles without trump on them, people will have stopped thinking about the guy altogether. These people have short memories.

You think Trump would campaign for his son as president? I don't see it.

That would require Trump acknowledging his son as a potential equal or even as a superior (if he won and served two full terms).

Trump's ego has no room for anyone else but him.

[Gaidax]

I doubt he has the money to do so, but I'd be willing to be the GOP will have a vested interest in trying to keep him away from the courts and outta jail as he could probably sing like a bird for reduced prison time.

GOP has a mission critical interest to make sure he's there with them for 2022 and 2024. Don't underestimate the $$ ex-President, especially one like Trump, can amass if needed. Influence is a huge asset. If he needs it, he will have donations spiking through the roof to "fight the crooked system".

[wunksta]

What exactly leads you to say democrats are haughty and what do you mean it requires both parties working together?

"working together" will neve happen. We know republicans don't give a shit about "working together" over 230k people are dead and they do not give 1 single fuck about "working together" in fact Mitch and all his backers have planned to hold up everything so Biden's approval goes down as people suffering, die, and become homeless due to their inaction. So this myth of "democratic haughtiness and working together"... is just that.

Yes, every time Dems tried to work with the GOP, they got burned. Hell, look at ACB. This went against every thing the GOP claimed they believed when appointing justices. The GOP will cry, complain and scream that they are treated unfairly but when they have the advantage, they will ignore and refuse to work with the Dems.

[beanman12345]

He will survive all these legal challenges, he will have all the $$ and lawyers in the world to take care of this.

He will push through his family to the higher positions in Republican party too, that's a given too. His fans and Republican Party will give them a hand, the fans because fans and party because he can demolish them if he'd compromise these fans.

with deutsche bank coming to collect those debts, China coming to collect, he doesn't have all the $$. His only chance is a gofundme, but as crazy as that sounds it actually might work.

[Grimbold21]

Wonder where Skroe is these days...