Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[gondrin]

Not the top reason he's on the list. But yes.

However, if a certain unnamed sitting president(he who shall not be named) got involved and wanted this(hypothetically), you would see old Ted Cruz running phone banks promoting this is the greatest thing ever. All while making fun of his wife and blaming his dad for JFK.

[Cthulhu 2020]

So...only 1400 dollars? Lololol all the people who thought the empty leftist rhetoric was genuine allowing yourselves to forget that the democrats are a right-wing party... what did you think would happen? Biden n Harris are also the closest you get to the republicans too...bernie sanders got cheated, AGAIN, yet most of you chose to keep silent, well, nobody to blame but yourselves...if you let corporatist dems decide the course for you..enjoy four years of broken promises..

Did Trump want to give everyone 2k or more? Ofc not, but the deal gets better when you try one up the opposition in favor to get the public on your side. the LAST THING you want are people that are similar to the opposition, they are the most likely to vote similar to the opposition, they don't feel the pressure to one up the opposition since they know whoever wins, the politics stay the same. But with Trump afraid of loosing, he'll be desperate to offer a sweeter deal than he wants to...you needed someone like Bernie being suspicious n making sure the people get what they need, instead you chose the people most likely to side with republicans who are relieved Bernie didn't get in n they can save money..it's common fucking sense, how can people be so gullible?..

Now you will get four republican years dressed up as democrat..

All of the Trumpkins on this forum swore that Democrats would do absolutely nothing to help the common man, and yet there's now $1400 checks and $15 minimum wage coming down the pipe along with a ton of other stuff. And your biggest and best way to try and shame/taunt Democrats is to bleat about how $1400 isn't $2000 like every other Trump sheep on social media?

And of course, you had to throw in the concern trolling about Bernie Sanders. I don't know what's more pathetic, the fact that Trumpers pretended to care about Bernie Sanders in 2016 and in 2020 and pretend-sympathize with his supporters that they were getting cheated. It's either a really lame "Hey sorry your bro got cheated, why not come over to the Trump club?" or one of the most pathetic political pot shots in the history of ever.

But hey, after 4 years of Trump, we can definitively say that anyone on this forum who supported Trump after even a few months of his presidency is either ignorant, blind, stupid, malicious, power hungry, or just a really bad loser. Republicans have dropped the facade about caring about law and order. Republicans have dropped the facade where they pretend they want America to be a democracy. Though we saw the cracks in these "Values" long before 2020. 2021 has just started off as an overall wonderful year, and while things still suck in general, I can confidently say that even if Joe Biden isn't the second coming of socialist Jesus, he's a billion times better than Trump. For as much as the "I was never a Trump supporter!" Trump supporters like to taunt Democrats and say Joe Biden will just be another Trump, it's incredibly obvious how far from the truth that is, given how much he has in the works to help people before he's even president.

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The purity test is "Do you support these issues"? Which you know, should be the litmus test. Like, if I run a Pro-life outfit, making sure the candidate is Pro-Life does seem like an important priority.

The DNC being the party of Joe Manchin and Joe Lieberman (Why are they all named Joe?) is a problem. Sanders supporters have a set of policies and a vision for what is wanted. I sense a some people simply just want a party in power and have a rather naive trust that whatever the Democrats do must be good, or well intended because of a misguided belief in some supernatural or mystic moral goodness inherent in anyone who is a Democrat.

As I've said, I'm going to judge Democrats based on what they actually do. I will admit, I am far more optimistic in general with Biden at the wheel than I ever would have been with Trump, but that's based more on the history of the Democratic party in the legislature as well as the past, rather than some simple "Red vs Blue" team loyalty. And I imagine it's the same for most people. Nobody picks Democrats because they like the color blue, they pick them for a multitude of reasons. Some like all of their policies, some like most of their policies, some simply settle for Democrats over Republicans as best of a bad situation. So I think the lines about blind devotion to team blue are condescending in a way that poisons a conversation before it's even begun.

If it were Trump and McConnell at the wheel, 2021-2024 would be more of the same - Virus situation getting even worse, more government money thrown at giant corporations, more money spent on Trump's racist ICE fuckwads rounding up people who look even remotely mexican, and a whole lot of "fuck you" to the general populace.

I am going to hold my breath until all of these executive decisions come to pass, but from what I've seen so far, 2021 is looking up. $1.4k may not be $2k, but considering all of the other shit planned out, that $600 seems like splitting hairs simply for the sake of spiting Democrats.

[Omega10]

Ah yes, "evil other tribe" is the source of every woe known to us. All must listen to your tribe, by force if necessary, for you are the sole light of goodness on an ailing world that demands you alone save it.

Your side stormed the capitol once, and was close to being able to assassinate Pence and selected members of Congress. Your side is threatening to do it again this week with the intent of overthrowing the US government and installing Trump as President.

I think this is more than enough to validate the evil other tribe mentality.

The Sturgis super spreader event and the work that republicans have put into getting people to NOT wear masks and NOT social distance are also validation. Trump's talk of "beautiful full stadiums" at sporting events is also validation.

[Breccia]

The Sturgis super spreader event and the work that republicans have put into getting people to NOT wear masks and NOT social distance are also validation. Trump's talk of "beautiful full stadiums" at sporting events is also validation.

Don't forget packed churches for Easter!

[Shadowferal]

All while making fun of his wife and blaming his dad for JFK.

I've no respect for thst guy. Trump insults his wife (which should have been a personal insult to him as well), and instead of manning up, he turns around and gives Trump mmmm "favor" instead.

[s_bushido]

Ah yes, "evil other tribe" is the source of every woe known to us. All must listen to your tribe, by force if necessary, for you are the sole light of goodness on an ailing world that demands you alone save it.

Pretty rich coming from someone who just loves talking about the evils of The Left™.

[Zan15]

Ok, out of all of that, the $15 minimum wage is the one that shouldn't be there. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be in a spending bill, just not one for COVID relief as it has no place there. I saw a lot of people on the left complain that the Republicans put removing Sec 230 in the relief bill and they were rightfully allowed to complain as it didn't belong there. Neither does the min wage hike. It is a poison pill and nothing more. That alone will sink the bill.

stimulating the economy.

i mean that is the whole point of this bill.

How does 230 removal stimulate the economy?

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Well finally leadership, adult competent leadership

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp

President-elect Joe Biden on Friday said he would deploy the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the National Guard to help set up vaccine clinics across the U.S. as part of an ambitious plan to get shots to millions of Americans.


Its about fucking time. THIS IS what the federal govt is supposed to do.

You have a natural disaster they freaking mobilize and move in.

450,000 national guard members. Put them to fucking work.
Expand it to include the Military if needed for logistics.


We showed in the early days of COVID we could put up huge medical responses in little time if we really wanted to.


Biden will also invoke the Defense Production Act to “maximize the manufacture of vaccine and vaccine supplies for the country.”

Should have been day one of "warp speed's" plan. But we are all realizing what a failure that is becoming.
Relying on just the drug company to get it done when we are competing against the world for limited production. A total fucking failure.
They had 8 months to ramp up one facility after another. They had already authorized tens of billions they could have used to get it done. Instead the money went unspent.

[Breccia]

Its about fucking time.

Yes, but we're setting the bar awfully low here. Simple communication with states is a step up from what we have.

[Shadowferal]

Biden creates cabinet level post; If confirmed, Eric Lander will be the first biologist to run the US Office of Science and Technology

[Omega10]

Another interesting issue for America and Biden/Harris to deal with.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/c...023243811.html

Title: China's economy picks up speed in fourth quarter, ends 2020 in solid shape after COVID-19 shock

Excerpts:

China's economy picked up speed in the fourth quarter, with growth beating expectations as it ended a rough coronavirus-striken 2020 in remarkably good shape and remained poised to expand further this year even as the global pandemic rages unabated.

Gross domestic product grew 2.3% in 2020, official data showed on Monday, making China the only major economy in the world to avoid a contraction last year as many nations struggled to contain the COVID-19 pandemic. And China is expected to continue to power ahead of its peers this year, with GDP set to expand at the fastest pace in a decade at 8.4%, according to a Reuters poll.

GDP expanded 6.5% year-on-year in the fourth quarter, data from the National Bureau of Statistics showed, quicker than the 6.1% forecast by economists in a Reuters poll, and followed the third quarter's solid 4.9% growth.

China is working hard to coordinate with the US war on China by working with US businesses to build up economic infrastructure in countries cheaper than China so that US companies can move their production out of China. There seems to be a joint agreement that decoupling our economies is the wave of the future, and China and the US are working hard to minimize the disruption of this war to both countries.

The business community realizes that US-China cooperation in the future is just not going to happen. US companies are expected to move their supply chains out of China, but the problem is where to move them to. US companies for the most part have committed to NOT moving them back to the US, so the question is: where can these supply chains move to.

China is building up their internal economy and replacing manufacturing businesses with businesses that pay more for their workers. Presumably they are working hard on figuring out which manufacturing businesses to ... invite out of the country, and which to maintain internally. Boeing won't have to worry about selling planes to China because Chinese companies will do it. US farmers won't need to worry about selling grain to China because Chinese and other countries will pick up the slack. US-Chinese decoupling will profoundly effect both countries.

These new economic realities will be one more thing for Biden/Harris to deal with. Decisions made over the next few years will effect the way things are done in the US for a long time. Overall, it is looking like the Trump Virus will end up being a speed bump for China, and a major depressant for the US. China has substantially increased its power and prestige at the same time that the US has had a rather sizable Trump Prestige Cost. It is absolutely NOT unreasonable to blame Trump for how bad the virus is in the US, and also to blame Trump for the US prestige loss.

The good news for Biden/Harris is that expectations are that the US/China balance will tip further in China's favor over the next few years. If Biden can stabilize our reputation over the next few years, then that will be considered an achievement. It will also take a fair amount of hard work and finesse to make this happen.

[Felya]

Ok, out of all of that, the $15 minimum wage is the one that shouldn't be there. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be in a spending bill, just not one for COVID relief as it has no place there. I saw a lot of people on the left complain that the Republicans put removing Sec 230 in the relief bill and they were rightfully allowed to complain as it didn't belong there. Neither does the min wage hike. It is a poison pill and nothing more. That alone will sink the bill.

Did you just compare Trump and GOP bitching and completely misunderstanding Sec 230, to a minimum wage that has been stagnant for decades?

[gondrin]

Did you just compare Trump and GOP bitching and completely misunderstanding Sec 230, to a minimum wage that has been stagnant for decades?

Not really. I am pointing out that neither belong in something that should just be direct cash infusion along with anything directly related to COVID in a COVID relief bill. If they want to can Sec 230 or raise the minimum wage(which I am for raising of the min wage), put it in an appropriate bill for it. Sec 230 can go in a telecom bill of some sort that deal with those things. Min wage increases can go in a general spending bill that they vote on every year.

Otherwise it could, just like the Sec 230 before it, cause the bill to tank, however for different reasons.

[Themius]

How did we go from 600 a week to 300 to 400? Things are worse now especially after months and months of nothing and the solution is to give people a 33% cut in the additional pay

[Felya]

How did we go from 600 a week to 300 to 400? Things are worse now especially after months and months of nothing and the solution is to give people a 33% cut in the additional pay

Uhm... We went 600... then nothing... then 300... now maybe 400... How? I don’t know... have you seen any threads on this forum?

[Themius]

All of the Trumpkins on this forum swore that Democrats would do absolutely nothing to help the common man, and yet there's now $1400 checks and $15 minimum wage coming down the pipe along with a ton of other stuff. And your biggest and best way to try and shame/taunt Democrats is to bleat about how $1400 isn't $2000 like every other Trump sheep on social media?

I am not a Trumpkin and I have critiques. Why not 2k after campaigning on it? "well after delaying us for months the repubs allowed us to give you 600 a few weeks ago" is a poor excuse. The cost would have been 200bn so a 2.1in stead of 1.9T bill. what does it matter?

The other issue is that Biden wants at least 10 republicans in order to pass it with bipartisanship and negotiation... LIKE BITCH THEY STORMED THE CAPITOL fuck them. It can be passed with a simple majority why even bring up fucking negotiating and "coming together" with republicans after the fucking mess on the 6th.

[Felya]

Not really. I am pointing out that neither belong in something that should just be direct cash infusion along with anything directly related to COVID in a COVID relief bill. If they want to can Sec 230 or raise the minimum wage(which I am for raising of the min wage), put it in an appropriate bill for it. Sec 230 can go in a telecom bill of some sort that deal with those things. Min wage increases can go in a general spending bill that they vote on every year.

Otherwise it could, just like the Sec 230 before it, cause the bill to tank, however for different reasons.

But, people’s pay has a direct impact on everything. If minimum wage is 15$, people who are on minimum wage, just had their salary permanently increased. In either way, it’s people getting more money right now. Would you prefer if this was called a stimulus and government covered the difference?

Sec 230, is completely irrelevant to anything.

[Themius]

Uhm... We went 600... then nothing... then 300... now maybe 400... How? I don’t know... have you seen any threads on this forum?

You seem to not understand my question.

Why did Democrats who now have the capability to pass something on simple majority, reduce to 400.


This is the damn point, after months of NOTHING and a worse pandemic and a worse economic outlook. The payouts are reduced. They say this is the beginning, but I will believe that when I see it.

[Felya]

I am not a Trumpkin and I have critiques. Why not 2k after campaigning on it? "well after delaying us for months the repubs allowed us to give you 600 a few weeks ago" is a poor excuse. The cost would have been 200bn so a 2.1in stead of 1.9T bill. what does it matter?

The other issue is that Biden wants at least 10 republicans in order to pass it with bipartisanship and negotiation... LIKE BITCH THEY STORMED THE CAPITOL fuck them. It can be passed with a simple majority why even bring up fucking negotiating and "coming together" with republicans after the fucking mess on the 6th.

You are complaining about 600$, instead of demanding that that the minimum wage be increased.

[Themius]

You are complaining about 600$, instead of demanding that that the minimum wage be increased.

People shouldn't be working right now... that's kind of the other problem.... you know.. people working just to survive. We need that to not be the case which means there should be more money in peoples hands.

Especially after months and months of nothing, and is this retroactive? The democrats promised retroactivity all the way to September of 2020... they can do that now.

[Shadowferal]

50/50...two dems can derail a bill. Very important to win over a few repubs. Especially since dems aren't usually as lockstep as repubs.