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Someone with 800 rio applying to a 13 or 15 is willfully bad.
Even someone that returns for a break and want to play the best he can will run the appropriate keys for his skill level and rio. If he has 800 rio, he will try to grind all the 8 then all the 9 keys etc...
I don't think it does this at all. Mistakes aren't punished, they're rewarded, and there is no difficulty curve.
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There aren't difficulty "modes", the game is just extremely easy, and overly forgiving until you hit the brick wall at the end. The endgame has difficulty modes. The rest of the game is different, vastly different.
If you google the meaning of toxic it has little to nothing to do with what you describe. It seems you are trying to justify the fact that you might be a toxic players because you cant cope with failure, and end up saying/doing stuff you shouldn't.
Get a premade, promote good attitude towards others, be a decent person!
I agree. The problem is that every time Blizzard actually make difficult solo content that people can potentially learn from (e.g. Mage Towers and Horrific visions) a lot of players start throwing hissy fits and complain that they are not able to complete it. A lot of people just don't want to get any better. They simply want all content to be trivialized.
Or do not play in such ways that would incite others to be toxic, in other words, git gud or play with equally bad players.
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Lots of people whined when the Mage Tower was released because they could not do it in one go.
What about Thorghast ? Still lots of people crying because they can't do it while it has been severely nerfed.
Ahh, here we have another of the arguments often seen used by the wilfully bad - the "I am being gatekept by the evil elitists".
And when you ask the wilfully bad who stops them from making their own groups and invite people like themselves and push their keys high up, because those people who are "gatekept" are of course able to do the most difficult content, then they can never answer why they just don't make their own groups and ignore the "evil elitists".
There is no community, there are players of different skill, experience and attitude. And nobody is neither obliged by Blizzard, and should most certainly not feel morally obliged, to play with anyone that makes their in-game experience insufferable.
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This is a braindead comment. To get to 800 r.io, you'd have to have already completed all 8 dungeons on a 10 key in time. Or, more likely, you've probably already done some higher keys and just have a few keys pulling your score down.
My alt has timed 14s with a sub-900 r.io score. Another alt has timed 11s with a sub-300 r.io score.
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The answer is always make your own group. But they almost never do. If they do, its for a +8 and they invited randoms and it happened to work. Or they tried a few higher keys with no to low rio and no brez or no lust and it didn't work out and now they understand those dirty dirty gatekeepers
Looks like you are smart enough to figure what I meant. I did not check in game if 800 rio was all time at 8 or 10. The point is: get all your keys to 10, after you have done all at 9 then proceed to get them to 11. And do not try to burn the steps if it is your first character to reach that rio.
Because everyone does all dungeons.. Especially on alts, people tend to skip the long and often frustrating ones. That doesn’t mean they suck if they only have a sub 200 rio score but do complete the same dungeon every week on +14/+15. The score itself doesn’t say dick.
Still worthless advice. If you spend time grinding out every dungeon to 5 before you do a 6 or a 7, you're really just wasting time. And frankly, some dungeons (Mists, Halls) are far easier than others (SD) with 3 levels of difference, so good luck getting invited to a SD +10 if the best run you've done on any dungeon is a 10.
I led a group to KSM but until I had 1.3k r.io it was nearly impossible to get an invite to 15s on my disc priest (actually a meta class, but not the resto shaman everyone in LFG thinks is meta). Resto shaman 12 item levels lower with 400 r.io got easy invites to 10s, though (and healed them just fine).
There are plenty of bads who think r.io is holding them back when it isn't, but there are just as many of you who think r.io actually matters when it doesn't.
The entire LFG system is cancerous garbage that breeds elitism on one had and laziness on the other and then people are somehow surprised when mixing those elements turns the whole thing into a toxic brew.
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Indeed. I will probably never do a high SD key on any of my alts. Why bother? I'll farm easy 14s for the 226 vault loot and forget about that worthless over-tuned dungeon.
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Well, as long as the "elitists" and the "lazy" play separately then all will be fine.
My own anecdotal experience tells me that I have to filter people rigidly in order to find other "elitists"/people that are competitive and give a damn to play with and then I always have nice, efficient and friendly runs.
If I fail in my due diligence and accidentality get in to a group with "lazy"/wilfully bad players then it quite often turns out to be a horrible, toxic run.
So my advice to those that have bad experiences with the LFG-tool is to be even more diligent in your filtering.