Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Bodakane]

The only circle jerk going on is in your head. If Biden does anything to criticize, post it here - that's precisely what it's for. But in case you've had your head buried in the sand the last five years, the Republican Party is continuing to walk down the Fascist road, lock stock and barrel.

Shout if you have questions - or haven't bothered to read the threads here. Remember, ignorance isn't bliss, it's just the prerequisite for GOP membership.

That guy should quit complaining about life being unfair and pull himself up by the bootstraps......

[Breccia]

Hey remember when Obama (and others) posted a public log of who had visited the White House?

Biden's doing that too.

These logs give the public a look into the visitors entering and exiting the White House campus for appointments, tours, and official business — making good on President Biden’s commitment to restore integrity, transparency, and trust in government.

Trump didn't do that. The "most transparent administration ever" refused to tell the American people who was even entering the building. It wasn't the only thing he instantly halted either.

"Well Biden could just release them, couldn't he?"

No. They're archived and out of his hands. And Biden plays by the rules. I suppose he'd turn them over if there was a pressing National Security reason.

[cubby]

No. They're archived and out of his hands. And Biden plays by the rules. I suppose he'd turn them over if there was a pressing National Security reason.

I'm sure once the DoJ is done reviewing all of Trump's shenanigans, there will be one.

[Poopymonster]

Biden closes a loophole that let Trump send COVID money for non-COVID reasons.

It's not as bad as it sounds, but I'm still glad it's gone.



I lied. It is as bad as it sounds.

Defense projects? Odds he pulled or tried to pull from those defense projects to help build Nancy's flower garden?

[Kellhound]

Biden's DoJ floats the idea of requiring gun assembly kits to have mandatory background checks and serial numbers.

I mean...they didn't? Like, someone could just order a box of gun pieces and instructions and, somehow, it wouldn't count as a gun? The fuck?

Because the parts purchased cannot be assembled into a gun as is. Parts kits cannot, by law, include a functional receiver. 80% receivers do not count as a gun because they require machining before they are usable.

[Levelfive]

My understanding that the Urban-Rural divide is such that neither side gives a rat's hind-end about the other isn't a political view.

What it is is projection. I want everyone, including Trump supporters, to have healthcare, a living wage, and clean drinking water. That doesn't mean I have to pretend their reactionary victim-whoring white nationalism is a legitimate point of view.

[Felya]

What it is is projection. I want everyone, including Trump supporters, to have healthcare, a living wage, and clean drinking water. That doesn't mean I have to pretend their reactionary victim-whoring white nationalism is a legitimate point of view.

Projecting vs perspective... I’m not sure on this one...

They don’t care about healthcare or living wage or clean drinking water. When Biden promises covid relief on wheels, because medical treatment is hard to get... do you think they believe it’s for their well being or because, as Tucker said, asserting government control and trampling rights?

While you want to take away the one thing that cures everything, a gun...

[Levelfive]

Projecting vs perspective... I’m not sure on this one...

They don’t care about healthcare or living wage or clean drinking water. When Biden promises covid relief on wheels, because medical treatment is hard to get... do you think they believe it’s for their well being or because, as Tucker said, asserting government control and trampling rights?

While you want to take away the one thing that cures everything, a gun...

What? The projection I'm referencing here is Kellhound's.

[Felya]

What? The projection I'm referencing here is Kellhound's.

I’m saying it’s not projecting, because it doesn’t depend on the other side not giving a shit. They recognize that Democrats do shit for them, but consider it unnecessary. Self reliance... don’t tread on me... when a kid cries out for their parent to stop picking on them, crying that they don’t care... it’s not projecting.

Edit: The issue is the assertion... We know what’s best for you... not the idea that it’s intentional harm.

Edit 2: Mavericks... rebels without a cause...

[Levelfive]

I’m saying it’s not projecting, because it doesn’t depend on the other side not giving a shit. They recognize that Democrats do shit for them, but consider it unnecessary. Self reliance... don’t tread on me... when a kid cries out for their parent to stop picking on them, crying that they don’t care... it’s not projecting.

Edit: The issue is the assertion... We know what’s best for you... not the idea that it’s intentional harm.

Edit 2: Mavericks... rebels without a cause...

The point had absolutely nothing to do with Democrats doing anything for "them." The point was that the indifference to people's general well being is unidirectional, hence the projection that it's mutual when it's not.

[Kellhound]

What it is is projection. I want everyone, including Trump supporters, to have healthcare, a living wage, and clean drinking water. That doesn't mean I have to pretend their reactionary victim-whoring white nationalism is a legitimate point of view.

They would argue that liberals are taking away their jobs and the cities are taking their water. Nor would they think you have a legitimate point of view.

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Projecting vs perspective... I’m not sure on this one...

They don’t care about healthcare or living wage or clean drinking water. When Biden promises covid relief on wheels, because medical treatment is hard to get... do you think they believe it’s for their well being or because, as Tucker said, asserting government control and trampling rights?

While you want to take away the one thing that cures everything, a gun...

As with all politics, it is perspective. They care about their jobs, they care about not having enough water for their needs.

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The point had absolutely nothing to do with Democrats doing anything for "them." The point was that the indifference to people's general well being is unidirectional, hence the projection that it's mutual when it's not.

Except that it is your perception that you are not indifferent to their well being because you "understand" what constitutes their well being. You are assuming your definition is the only correct one.

[Endus]

They would argue that liberals are taking away their jobs and the cities are taking their water. Nor would they think you have a legitimate point of view.

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As with all politics, it is perspective. They care about their jobs, they care about not having enough water for their needs.

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Except that it is your perception that you are not indifferent to their well being because you "understand" what constitutes their well being. You are assuming your definition is the only correct one.

You're explaining that Trump supporters are selfish and only care about their own interests.

Whereas "liberals" care about everyone's best interests, even those Trump supporters.

The problem, of course, is that you can't approach governance from an individual point of view, not in a democratic system at least. That kind of attitude only makes sense in a monarchy or dictatorship or the like, and then only by the ruling classes.

You're literally just pointing out that Trump supporters are fascists who hate democracy, as if that's a defense.

And as for that last point; "well-being" is eminently quantifiable and qualifiable. It isn't some personally-subjective measure. You're confusing needs with wants, for some cockamamie reason.

[Kellhound]

You're explaining that Trump supporters are selfish and only care about their own interests.

Whereas "liberals" care about everyone's best interests, even those Trump supporters.

The problem, of course, is that you can't approach governance from an individual point of view, not in a democratic system at least. That kind of attitude only makes sense in a monarchy or dictatorship or the like, and then only by the ruling classes.

You're literally just pointing out that Trump supporters are fascists who hate democracy, as if that's a defense.

And as for that last point; "well-being" is eminently quantifiable and qualifiable. It isn't some personally-subjective measure. You're confusing needs with wants, for some cockamamie reason.

Liberals care about what they perceive as everyone's best interest.

You cannot approach governance without taking the individual point of view into account. A country is, at its core, just a group of individuals. They don't hate democracy, they just prefer a more local version of it.

"Well-being" is VERY subjective. That is the heart of the problem.

[Endus]

Liberals care about what they perceive as everyone's best interest.

Again, these things are quantifiable and qualifiable. They are not just perception. Pushing that angle is pretty much the definition of disinformation.

You cannot approach governance without taking the individual point of view into account.

Not only can you, in a representative democratic system, you definitively have to. That's what the "representative" part means.

[uuuhname]

Liberals care about what they perceive as everyone's best interest.

You cannot approach governance without taking the individual point of view into account. A country is, at its core, just a group of individuals. They don't hate democracy, they just prefer a more local version of it.

"Well-being" is VERY subjective. That is the heart of the problem.

"more local version" when it comes to law making such a none statement. "why yes, we care about individual rights, like our rights to tell trans kids they can't play sports."

[Elegiac]

A country is, at its core, just a group of individuals. They don't hate democracy, they just prefer a more local version of it.

What's "local" about hating women, queer people, and people of color, exactly? Because all the "small government" bullshit is and always has been a dogwhistle - it isn't about freedom from government, it's about being free to abuse people without government intervention.

Let's take a look at some of the best hits:

"Taxes are theft" = "We don't want our tax dollars going towards things that might possibly benefit minorities"
"Regulations kill business" = "I'm upset because I can't treat my employees like serfs or ravage the environment for short term profit"
"Abortion is murder" = "Women having reproductive autonomy so they have more social mobility scares and confuses me"
"Law and order" = "I miss Jim Crow"
"Small towns are the backbone of America" = "My ideal vision of American life is one where no one has hope for anything better"

[uuuhname]

What's "local" about hating women, queer people, and people of color, exactly? Because all the "small government" bullshit is and always has been a dogwhistle - it isn't about freedom from government, it's about being free to abuse people without government intervention.

Let's take a look at some of the best hits:

"Taxes are theft" = "We don't want our tax dollars going towards things that might possibly benefit minorities"
"Regulations kill business" = "I'm upset because I can't treat my employees like serfs or ravage the environment for short term profit"
"Abortion is murder" = "Women having reproductive autonomy so they have more social mobility scares and confuses me"
"Law and order" = "I miss Jim Crow"
"Small towns are the backbone of America" = "My ideal vision of American life is one where no one has hope for anything better"

I always get a chuckle out of "people in X area are not the same as people in area Y" as if the people in X don't breath oxygen? drink water? huh????

[Theodarzna]

Liberals care about what they perceive as everyone's best interest.

You cannot approach governance without taking the individual point of view into account. A country is, at its core, just a group of individuals. They don't hate democracy, they just prefer a more local version of it.

"Well-being" is VERY subjective. That is the heart of the problem.

No its not. Well being is securing the bag. Like me with health care I can access any time is actually better than me with none of that. I can put a dollar price tag on well being.

The issue of Liberals, of which I'd dare suggest even you are just a "right"-liberal versus these "left"-liberals, is they don't really mean it when it comes to someone's best interests. Because the lot of them are of a social class separate and with completely different interests than those they might claim to want to help, and are painfully ignorant of that fact.

[Elegiac]

I always get a chuckle out of "people in X area are not the same as people in area Y" as if the people in X don't breath oxygen? drink water? huh????

"People in cities" is just a dogwhistle for "minorities". Nixon pulled the same shit with his 'sirens in the night' crap.

[Paranoid Android]

The US added an underwhelming 266,000 jobs in April, and some companies say they are struggling to find workers even as the economy reopens. Critics say enhanced unemployment benefits are to blame.
CNN’s @smerconish
explores. https://cnn.it/2RCzK36

Yes people, it's not the low wages offered but the barely adequate unemployment benefits. For argument sake, the benefits don't equal say $1k/week. It's close or barely better than some minimum wage job. So yeah, the market is telling the employers that you should raise your wage.

I see Republicans of course can't take it that people are not working for horrible wages and places such as Montana and South Carolina are taking away benefits. This really might be one of the biggest Asshole moves ever. Trying to make people work for wages people do not find suitable to live on.