Is WoW Pay 2 Win?

[rhorle]

At no point have I insulted or villified people. I'm stating a fact.

It isn't a fact though. People that don't hold your view are not just offended and feel they need to defend the game. They just simply disagree with you. What you stated was your opinion.

[Ryzeth]

my opinion is that anita sarkeesian's dong is so deep down your throat that her megalomania is pouring out of the asshole you speak from, you epstein private island attending MIC propaganda-defending clown

You need a snickers, bud?


OT: 100 pages later and we still don't seem to understand that WoW isn't P2W. Alas, maybe we'll get there by Page 200. One can but hope.

[Fenrys]

And I agreed with that and pointed out how the argument developed, mate ^^

I apologise for misunderstanding your intent. My bad.

[Lochton]

I apologise for misunderstanding your intent. My bad.

It's all good, mate. Enjoy the summer.

[Usernameforforums]

WoW is only P2W if you suck. You can achieve everything with effort with no extra payment required.

[Dhrizzle]

For me the core game isn't pay-2-win because there is nothing you can do to advance your character with MTX that you can't do through gameplay. There is however pay-2-skip or pay-4-convenience with the level boost.

However for mount and pet collectors there is an element of pay-2-win as there are things that are only available through the store. You could argue that the token gives an in-game way to get these mounts but I'd say the amount of grinding it takes would make it impractical for most players to go that way.

Buying boosts makes a cluster of grey areas. Does simply getting the top loot make you "win?" Is it impractical to expect players to raid normally so you have to pay to get the loot? What about grinding gold instead of buying it? Does having the service provided by a 3rd-party make a difference, if not does that mean buying better hardware makes all games pay-2-win?

Personally I wouldn't say that boosts in WoW makes the game pay-2-win the same way games that charge real money for more powerful characters are, it's more pay-2-not-play, but I don't think I would want to argue against people who feel it is a pay-2-win system.

[Stardrift]

It isn't a fact though. People that don't hold your view are not just offended and feel they need to defend the game. They just simply disagree with you. What you stated was your opinion.

There's nothing to disagree with. The things I have stated are factual.

[arkanon]

I can't remember the last time in this thread I've seen someone arguing that WoW is p2w and how much they hate that. In fact, a number of them have offered that they really don't mind. I know I'm one of those. I feel WoW is p2w and it really doesn't bother me at all. Honestly, I see no problem at all with using your success in the real world to influence your success in games.

I have seen many people say they do believe it meets the definition of P2W, but they don't consider this example to be egregious or even negative at all. I tried to explain that like 50 pages ago that someone (not myself in this instance) could argue it is P2W without feeling at all negative about it.

[Big Thanks]

I can't remember the last time in this thread I've seen someone arguing that WoW is p2w and how much they hate that. In fact, a number of them have offered that they really don't mind. I know I'm one of those. I feel WoW is p2w and it really doesn't bother me at all. Honestly, I see no problem at all with using your success in the real world to influence your success in games.

Im pretty sure "i dont care", "i dont give F", "couldn't care less" are not arguments...i dont think is even an opinion...is quite literally nothing.

Imagine there is a big debate going on with all the experts on that topic and some smartass come in and say "i dont care".

Im pretty sure he would be shown the door to get the F out of there.

[arkanon]

Im pretty sure "i dont care", "i dont give F", "couldn't care less" are not arguments...i dont think is even an opinion...is quite literally nothing.

Imagine there is a big debate going on with all the experts on that topic and some smartass come in and say "i dont care".

Im pretty sure he would be shown the door to get the F out of there.

Being indifferent about something is absolutely an opinion, and a valid one - opinions are not always binary, and certainly not always polar extremes, especially when it comes to entertainment. You have intentionally used 3 crude examples, and then even gone so far as to claim anyone who is indifferent on a subject is a "smart-ass" for not having a strong opinion one way or the other.

[Big Thanks]

Being indifferent about something is absolutely an opinion, and a valid one - opinions are not always binary, and certainly not always polar extremes, especially when it comes to entertainment. You have intentionally used 3 crude examples, and then even gone so far as to claim anyone who is indifferent on a subject is a "smart-ass" for not having a strong opinion one way or the other.

Yes, very important to invite the dude who "doesnt care" to the grand round table to discuss a topic.

Im pretty sure he will contribute immensely for the debate.

[arkanon]

Yes, very important to invite the dude who "doesnt care" to the grand round table to discuss a topic.

Im pretty sure he will contribute immensely for the debate.

Their opinion is just as valid and just as important to the topic as someone saying "this is the worst thing in the world and the sky is falling" and the other guy saying "this is the best thing since sliced bread". It is absolutely a valid opinion to have, and should be treated exactly the same.

[Big Thanks]

Their opinion is just as valid and just as important to the topic as someone saying "this is the worst thing in the world and the sky is falling" and the other guy saying "this is the best thing since sliced bread". It is absolutely a valid opinion to have, and should be treated exactly the same.

Dude, for a DEBATE about what something is or not or what should be done.

I dont care serves quite literally ZERO purpose.
Zero
Nada
Nill
Nothing

You think it was important to have a dude who doesnt care to discover the covid vaccine?

[arkanon]

Dude, for a DEBATE about what something is or not or what should be done.

I dont care serves quite literally ZERO purpose.
Zero
Nada
Nill
Nothing

You think it was important to have a dude who doesnt care to discover the covid vaccine?

Oh dear - you have confused yourself quite badly. They didnt say they are indifferent regarding whether it is P2W or not, they said they are indifferent to its existence in the game. The argument is quite simple, they even outline it in the post you quoted and objected to. They said they do believe it is P2W, but that wow having these systems in place does not bother them.

Your vaccine "example" is just terrible, and should be completely ignored.

[Pohut]

Dude, for a DEBATE about what something is or not or what should be done.

I dont care serves quite literally ZERO purpose.
Zero
Nada
Nill
Nothing

You think it was important to have a dude who doesnt care to discover the covid vaccine?

If majority say "meh, we don't care", it means that opinion of the two extremes can be ignored.

[Big Thanks]

Your vaccine "example" is just terrible, and should be completely ignored.

Is not terrible, you just have no answer for it.

In a debate about a topic about what should be done or about what something is or not, the input that "i dont care" AKA "i dont want to think about it" AKA "i didnt spent a single second thinking about it and i wont even think about it" AKA "that topic is a fart in the wind for me"

Brings zero relevance to the debate.

This thread is no different from a group of specialist trying to figure out if an object is round or not.
Random person: I dont care
Everyone: Ok bye

[arkanon]

Is not terrible, you just have no answer for it.

In a debate about a topic about what should be done or about what something is or not, the input that "i dont care" AKA "i dont want to think about it" AKA "i didnt spent a single second thinking about it and i wont even think about it" AKA "that topic is a fart in the wind for me"

Brings zero relevance to the debate.

This thread is no different from a group of specialist trying to figure out if an object is round or not.
Random person: I dont care
Everyone: Ok bye

Since you edited out the entire body of my reply, i will post it again for your benefit:

Oh dear - you have confused yourself quite badly. They didnt say they are indifferent regarding whether it is P2W or not, they said they are indifferent to its existence in the game. The argument is quite simple, they even outline it in the post you quoted and objected to. They said they do believe it is P2W, but that wow having these systems in place does not bother them.

The irony is, using your example, Blizzard are at the round table - they are the experts, and they are telling you that these systems have had a positive impact on the game and are popular systems. Using your example, that makes you an antivaxer, ignoring all the expert advice and screaming "i know better". This is why i said earlier it is a terrible example, and ironically, only hurts your argument. This is why i wont engage any further in any future discussion regarding "vaccines" and covid.

[Big Thanks]

The irony is, using your example, Blizzard are at the round table - they are the experts, and they are telling you that these systems have had a positive impact on the game and are popular systems. Using your example, that makes you an antivaxer, ignoring all the expert advice and screaming "i know better". This is why i said earlier it is a terrible example, and ironically, only hurts your argument.

(>_<)
I cant take you seriously bro.

Trying to tell me blizzard are the experts for what is good for us when they are a business
On top of that calling me an antivaxxer.

Have fun ruining MMO-C. Keep doing Gods work son. Just not with me anymore

[huth]

Dude, for a DEBATE about what something is or not or what should be done.

I dont care serves quite literally ZERO purpose.
Zero
Nada
Nill
Nothing

You think it was important to have a dude who doesnt care to discover the covid vaccine?

You shot yourself in the foot there. If the debate is over what should be done, "i don't care about the issue" is a relevant statement. If most people don't care, there's probably no pressing need to take any action at all.

As for your vaccine analogy, it really doesn't fit. You're erroneously presenting an extreme position as if it was common. Most people are interested in a vaccine if for no other reason than that they're sick and tired of the lockdowns.

[arkanon]

(>_<)
I cant take you seriously bro.

Trying to tell me blizzard are the experts for what is good for us when they are a business
On top of that calling me an antivaxxer.

Have fun ruining MMO-C. Keep doing Gods work son. Just not with me anymore

You keep editing this out of your replies, why?

Oh dear - you have confused yourself quite badly. They didnt say they are indifferent regarding whether it is P2W or not, they said they are indifferent to its existence in the game. The argument is quite simple, they even outline it in the post you quoted and objected to. They said they do believe it is P2W, but that wow having these systems in place does not bother them.

Why do you continue to edit this out of your replies over and over again?